Addon Brigades ... too powerful?

[sbrengard]

I never build a Division without an additional brigade.

For units I plan to use offensively, I go with Arty (INF) and AT (ARM), for defensive units, AA or ENG.

But the AI doesn't seem to build units (the little they do build) with addition brigades. Therefore I plow right on through.

But should these units be divisional level?

Most WWII Divisions had 2-4 battalions of Artillery internal to the unit.

Most WWII Divisions had a battalion of Engineers internal to the unit.

Most WWII Divisions had integrated AT support.

And AA units were attached to divisions near the front.

So should not ALL divisions have these components? And if so, what do we do with the additional brigade feature? Change the units’ types? Balance the units? Reduce the units to battalion size and reduce their benefits?

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by sbrengard
Addon Brigades ... too powerful?

Yes.

 

[sbrengard]

Re: Re: Addon Brigades ... too powerful?

Originally posted by BiB
Yes.

Well if BiB Agrees with me it must be true.

 

[Khab]

The addons are a good way of letting the player customize his army a bit, tho, beyond simple focus on army/airforce/navy. On the other hand, as you say, the AI doesn't seem to understand it, which gives the human yet another advantage.
Maybe they should be turned into some sort of specialized units, and made vastly more expensive? I don't know about any historical pretext for this, tho.

 

[Axis_Alliance]

they wouldnt be to damn powerful if the AI would invest more into tech and defense. A good solid army of 10 infantry with 15 defense hidding behind a fort of level 3-5 is gonna hurt any attacker. With allied fighter and bomber support. But AI doesnt work on the defense, org, hard+ soft attack. 3 yrs into the game now as germany ive upgraded up the yen yang and im fighting pre-WWI soldiers. Yes i said pre-WWONE. Its horrible.

If AI had better soldiers wouldnt be that powerful. France is the weakest nation i have ever seen. They have a solid defense barrier and they put 2-3 units there. Granted patch will hopefully fix this--but its not our troops being to powerful--its the AI being to weak. UK and USA should have no reason for not having elite divisions.

 

[Darkrenown]

Originally posted by sbrengard


Most WWII Divisions had 2-4 battalions of Artillery internal to the unit.

Most WWII Divisions had a battalion of Engineers internal to the unit.

Most WWII Divisions had integrated AT support.

And AA units were attached to divisions near the front.

So should not ALL divisions have these components? And if so, what do we do with the additional brigade feature?

They all do but you can add extra to make that div specialised in some area.

 

[unmerged(11345)]

Engineers are definatly my favorite, the boosted movement speed and just a slight increase on build time is really nice. Not to mention the defense and hard attack bonuses that come to engineers later.

 

[unmerged(12009)]

I really like artillery! If you research the proper techs, for just two more ICs your hard/soft attack levels will more than double!
In regards to their being overpowered, I don't think that they are, provided that the AI is tweaked to take advantage of them as well.

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by LeninsTomb
I really like artillery! If you research the proper techs, for just two more ICs your hard/soft attack levels will more than double!

That's exactly why they're considered overpowered.

 

[swilhelm73]

Well, don't forget the increase in supply cost add-on brigades come with.

IIRC, an INF Div cost 1 supply/day and an INF Div with ENG costs 2 supply/day.

This is probably the biggest expense of the add-ons. 1 supply = 1/12 IC.

 

[unmerged(3999)]

The manpower adds up too. If you're trying to hang on and win a war of attrition (Soviets, although they would find it difficult to run out of manpower), or defend the entire British Empire (definitely easier to run out), I'd rather do it with 7x regular infantry divisions than 6x souped-up ones.

 

[unmerged(7417)]

The manpower adds up too. If you're trying to hang on and win a war of attrition (Soviets, although they would find it difficult to run out of manpower), or defend the entire British Empire (definitely easier to run out), I'd rather do it with 7x regular infantry divisions than 6x souped-up ones.

Quite true...

 

[unmerged(12484)]

Why can't you add-on after build?

Does anyone know why you can't attach specialized units (brigades) after the division has been built?

It doesn't seem right that you have to disband the division and rebuild a new one just to upgrade it with an attached brigade. You loose any experience the division gained in fighting.

I wouldn't think that this type of action would cause such an organizational upheaval to a division?

Striker

 

[sbrengard]

Regarding your point I agree ...

These brigades should be attachable after the fact ...

BUT

Your dont lose any XP for disbanding division as they don't earn XP, only Generals do. You do lose the ICs and Time.

 

[Arentak]

One possible solution to overpowered brigades:

Reduce the benefit of tech on the brigades by 50%. So, for example, if this tech is soft attack +1, and the one after it is another soft attack +1, it becomes +0/+1
Basicly, infantry with an artillery brigade and good arty tech will annhilate the enemy. These units can have soft attack 15+. Its insane.

Oh yeah, and another thing
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"The manpower adds up too. If you're trying to hang on and win a war of attrition (Soviets, although they would find it difficult to run out of manpower), or defend the entire British Empire (definitely easier to run out), I'd rather do it with 7x regular infantry divisions than 6x souped-up ones."
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Nah, give me 5 souped up divisions instead of your 7 regular.