Adding Arabian States With Focus Trees As A Country Pack

[Sidegaming]

When you (Paradox) said that you will return country packs again my idea came to play. The Arabian Nations Played A Small Part In WWII But Still Played A Part, Iraq Sold Oil To Germany And Saudi Arabia Sold Oil To The Allies. Iraq Was Also Invaded By The Allies, So They Had An Impact On The War. So They Sould Get Some Focus Trees, And The Arabian countries of Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain and Qatar were never in the British Empire, They were protectorates, so why don't you make them independent but guaranteed by the UK! And give the following countries a focus tree (Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Iraq) Nothing too big but respectable. Now when I played Kuwait and The UAE with all countries decolonized rules the divisions flags were upside down. You Should research about these nations by asking the people who live there. And Can You Please Make The Straits Of Hurmuz An Actual Strait Like The Bosporus, The Suez And Gibraltar. Please Don't Forget To Make Some New States And Provinces In The Arabian Peninsula.
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Name Suggestions:
Legacy Of Arabia
Sands Of The Middle East
Swords Of Arabia
The Dunes Of Arabia
Battle For The Oil
now to the focus tree Ideas, These Are Alternate History Trees And The Are Only Ideas. So You Make The Historical Tree And Please Consider This Idea Valid, And One Important Thing The Tree Bellow Is Only Suggestions So Don't Make A 100% copy but Base The DLC With These Ideas.
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Kuwait:
Extra: Please Fix Boubyan In Kuwait So It's Not A Dot Because That Island Is 5% Of The Land mass of Modern Kuwait.
Ideology names:
Democratic: Republic Of Kuwait
Neutral: State Of Kuwait/ Kingdom Of Kuwait
Fascist: Empire Of Kuwait
Communist: Union Of Arabia
Political tree:
The Tree Starts with the formation of the National Assembly, Then There are three paths: Stick With Britain (Democratic), Our Own Legacy (Neutral/Monarchist) and The Unthinkable Path (Fascist/Communism).
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Stick With Britain (Democratic): {Join the allies, Turn Independent Arabian nations Democratic, etc...}
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Our Own Legacy (Neutral/Monarchist): {Stay with the current Emir: Preserve The Nation, Stay Neutral In European Affairs, Trust The British (Oil Stays As Before), etc...
Abdullah Al-Salem's Coup: Kuwait A Kingdom (Change Name To Kingdom Of Kuwait), Deal With Iraq (To get Back Basra), Start The GCC, Deal With Saudi Arabia (To Regain Old Kuwaiti Lands That they took), Change The Flag, Discover What The British Hide (More Oil Than Before), etc...}
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The Unthinkable Path (Fascist/Communism): Fascist: Over Throw The Monarchy, Reconquer Basra (Iraq) , Southern Territories Or War (Saudi Arabia), Puppet The Weaker States (Qatar and Bahrain), Join The Germans (Join The Axis), Our Own Destiny (Start Your Own Faction).
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Communism: Abolish The House Of Sabah, Support The Damascus Uprising (Syria with All Of Syria And Lebanon Becomes A Free Communist States That Likes Kuwait A lot), Push For The Palestinian Revolt (Palestine With All Of Palestine And Jordan Becomes A Free Communist States That Likes Kuwait A lot), Integrate The Revolutions (Annex And Core Syria And Palestine), Reclaim The Arabian Peninsula (Gain War Goals And Core On All Of The Arabian Peninsula), Join The Soviets ( Join The Comintern ) Or A Pact Of Our Own (Start A Faction) , etc...
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UAE:
Ideology names:
Democratic: United Arabian States
Neutral: United Arab Emirates
Fascist: Emirati United Empire
Communist: Union Of Arabian Emirates
Political tree:
Starts With the Push For National Reforms, Then There are Four paths: Stay Loyal To Britain (Democratic), Stay As We Are (Neutral/Monarchist), Push For Worker's Revolution (Communist), Strengthen The Nationalists (Fascist). _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Stay Loyal To Britain (Democratic): Strengthen Ties With The Western Democrats, Join Britain, Proposal To The Saudis (Ask For Their Old Land That Saudi Arabia Took), Proposal To Our Neighboring States (Ask Qatar And Bahrain To Join The UAE), Proposal To Oman (Ask For Their Old Land That Oman Took),etc...
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Stay As We Are (Neutral/Monarchist): Strengthen Ties With The Arabian States, Digging In The Sand (Find Oil), Stay Away From The Western Wars, Propose An Arabian Alliance (Start An Alliance With Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, Iraq, And Bahrain And Qatar If They Didn't Join UAE), etc...
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Strengthen The Nationalists (Fascist): Demand Old UAE Land In Saudi Arabia, Demand The Musandam Peninsula (Oman), Conquer Qatar And Bahrain, Push For Nationalist Uprising In Kuwait, Integrate The Revolt (Puppet Kuwait), etc...
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Push For Worker's Revolution (Communist): Push Communist Revolts In Oman (Starts A Civil War In Oman), Integrate The Revolution (Annex Oman), Supply The Soviets (Give Soviet Union Oil And They Will Like You), Push For A United Arabia ( Gain War Goal On All Free Arabian States), Integrate The State ( Gain Cores On All Conquered Arabian Countries), etc....
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Bahrain:
Ideology names:
Democratic: State Of Bahrain
Neutral: Kingdom Of Bahrain/ Emirate Of Bahrain
Fascist: Empire Of Bahrain
Communist: Union Of Bahrain
Political tree:
Starts With the Stabilize The Political Problem, Then There are Four paths: Side With Britain (Democratic), Stick with The Old Ways (Neutral/Monarchist), Sailor's Revolts (Communist), The Military Takes Charge (Fascist).
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Side With Britain (Democratic): Vote For A New Prime Minister, Guarantee Allied Support In The Region, Push For Democratic Reforms In Arabian Nations (Make Arabian Nations Slowly democratic (+2) For Two Years), Join The Allies, etc...
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Stick with The Old Ways (Neutral/Monarchist): Declare Us A Kingdom (Change Name To Kingdom Of Bahrain), Closer Ties To Saudi Arabia, Start The Arabian United Alliance (If No Other Arabian Country Did This), Discover Oil An Gases In The Gulf (Gain More Oil And 2 Civilian Factories because Of The Gas), etc....
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The Military Takes Charge (Fascist): Start Expansion Into Qatar (Gain War Goal Against Qatar), Start To Prepare Invasion Of Kuwait (Puppet War Goal Against Kuwait), Invade UAE (Annex War Goal Against UAE), Try To Control The Straits Of Hurmuz (Conquer War Goal Against Who Own The Arabian Side Of The Hurmuz), etc.....
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Sailor's Revolts (Communist): Push For Revolts In Persia ( Iran Has A Communist Civil War), Show Qatar The True Path To Greatness (War Goal Against Qatar), Start The Arabian Spring (All Arabian States With 15% Communist Support Get A Communist Civil War) Start The Middle Eastern Comintern (All Communist Nations In The Middle East Join The Alliance), Or Suggest The Middle Eastern Communists To Join The Soviets ( 50% Chance that a middle eastern communist nation joins the Comintern ), etc...
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Qatar:
Ideology names:
Democratic: State Of Qatar
Neutral: Kingdom Of Qatar
Fascist: Qatari Empire
Communist: Qatari Peoples Republic
Political tree:
Starts With the Start The Consultative Assembly, Then There are Four paths: Help Britain (Democratic), Stay with The Old Ways (Neutral/Monarchist), Sailors' Party (Communist), The Nationalists Coup (Fascist).
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Help Britain (Democratic): Start Democratic Elections, Give Britain Assistance In The War, Join The Allies, Start Democratic Propaganda In Neighboring Nations ( Make Neighboring Arabian Nations Slowly democratic (+2) For Two Years), etc.....
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Stay with The Old Ways (Neutral/Monarchist): Start Building relations with Neighboring Nations, Build a Respectable Kingdom (+10% extra political Power, Construction speed, army training for 1 year), Start Our expeditions (Adds More Oil), etc....
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The Nationalists Coup (Fascist): Start Building An Empire (+10% army training for 1 year), Annex Bahrain, Start The Border War With Saudi Arabia, Attack UAE And Oman (Annex War Goal), etc....
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Sailors' Party (Communist): Start Unifying The Party, Attack Bahrain, Invade Saudi Arabia (Conquer War Goal), Start Iraqi Worker's Revolt (Iraq Has A Communist Civil War), Allie Iraq (Start An Alliance With Communist Iraq), etc.....
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Oman:
Ideology names:
Democratic: Republic Of Oman
Neutral: Sultanate Of Oman
Fascist: Omani Empire
Communist: Omani Peoples Republic
Political tree:
Starts With the Found The Council Of Oman, Then There are Four paths: Allie Britain (Democratic), Reclaim Old Glory (Neutral/Monarchist), The Peoples' Union (Communist), Reconquering Our Legacy (Fascist).
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Allie Britain (Democratic): Defend Omani Liberty, Get Closer To England, Help The British Defend (Join The Allies), Start Democratic Propaganda In Saudi Arabia, etc...
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Reclaim Old Glory (Neutral/Monarchist): Closer Ties With The Neighbors, Deal With The British (To Take Back Kenya And Tanzania), Support The Ethiopians (Send Aids To Ethiopia), Attack The Italians (Conquer War Goal To Take Bake Somalia), etc....
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Reconquering Our Legacy (Fascist): Start Preparations For Reconquest ( +10% extra political Power, Construction speed, army training for 1 year), Invasion Of The Emirates (Annex War Goal Against UAE), Reclaim Our Old Lands (Claim/Core Territories) , Attack The British Colonies (War goal to retake Tanzania and Kenya), Join The Axis, etc...
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The Peoples' Union (Communist): United The Sultanate, Solidify Our State, etc....
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Yemen:
Ideology names:
Democratic: Republic Of Yemen
Neutral: Yemen
Fascist: Yemeni United Empire
Communist: Yemeni Socialist State
Political tree:
Starts With the Found The Yemeni Parliament, Then There are Three paths: Allie France (Democratic), Stick With The Monarchy (Neutral/Monarchist), Creating Our Empire (Fascist).
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Allie France (Democratic): Ask For French Support (To Get Back The British Yemeni Land), Ask For Djibouti, etc...
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Stick With The Monarchy (Neutral/Monarchist): Reunify Yemen, Push For A Yemeni Djibouti (Annex Or Puppet/Collaboration Government), etc....
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Creating Our Empire (Fascist): Attack The British (Start Border War For The British Lands In Yemen), Attack Oman (War Goal Against Oman), etc
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Saudi Arabia:
Ideology names:
Democratic: Republic Of Arabia
Neutral: Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia
Fascist: Arabian Caliphate
Communist: Arabian Socialist Union
Political tree:
Starts With the Start The Consultative Assembly of Saudi Arabia, Then There are Four paths: Allie The English (Democratic), Stick With The House Of Saud (Neutral/Monarchist), Creating Our Caliphate (Fascist), Unite The Workers Of Arabia (Communist).
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Allie The English (Democratic): Start Reforms, Push For Closer Arabian Ties, Deal With Kuwait (Give Kuwait Their Old Lands For Them To Join The Allies/Your Faction), Proposal To The Emirates (Give UAE Their Old Lands For Them To Join The Allies/Your Faction), etc....
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Stick With The House Of Saud (Neutral/Monarchist): Stand Strong Against Westerners, Push For Closer Ties To East Asia (Japan, All Chinese Nations, Malaya, Dutch East Indies, Siam, India, Mongolia, Nepal, Bhutan All Like Saudi Arabia (+ 15)), etc.....
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Creating Our Caliphate (Fascist): Annex Bahrain, Attack Qatar, Invade Kuwait, Unite With The UAE, Annex The Southern States (Oman And Yemen), Join With Iraq, Start Anti-Persian Campaign (Iran Hates Saudi Arabia), etc....
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Unite The Workers Of Arabia (Communist): Start The Arabian Propaganda, Push For A Great Arabia, One Arabia Policy (Annex War Goal On All Arabian States), etc.....
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Iraq:
Ideology names:
Democratic: Republic Of Iraq
Neutral: Kingdom Of Iraq
Fascist: Iraqi Caliphate
Communist: Iraqi Union
Political tree:
Starts With the Stabilize The Country, Then There are Three paths: Start Democratic Reforms (Democratic), No Need To Change (Neutral/Monarchist), Creating Our Empire (Fascist).
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Start Democratic Reforms (Democratic): Closer Ties To Britain And France, Push For Better Relation With Persia, Be Closer To Kuwait, etc...
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No Need To Change (Neutral/Monarchist): Better Ties With Saudi Arabia, Talks With Kuwait, Annex Kuwait Peacefully, etc....
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Creating Our Empire (Fascist): Attack Kuwait, Liberating The Levant (Border War Decisions Against Britain And France For Jordan, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon And The Asian Side Of The Suez, Attack Saudi Arabia (Annex War Goal Against Saudi Arabia), Purge The World From The Persians (Annex War Goal Against Iran), etc...
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Thank you,
Side Gaming Proud Owner Of Hoi4, Cities Skylines (Both Hoi4 And Cities Skylines Are With Full DLCs) And CK2.
P.S: Contact Me If You See My Idea Please So I Can Be At Peace And Not Wondering If You Will Do It Or Not.
Have A Nice October And Thanks Again For Make Hoi4 Paradox .

 

[Marcin6669]

Yes, why rework majors, like USSR or Italy, make another Contry Pack!

 

[Sidegaming]

Yes, why rework majors, like USSR or Italy, make another Contry Pack!

They Might Make Their Main Team's Focus On The Soviet And Italian Trees And The Secondary Team's Focus On This Country Pack.

 

[Yanotoshi]

I honor you invested work, but even with the capacity split of country content designers and main team, there are still hot spots.
Indeed it is called WW2, but the main conflicts took place in Europe and Pacific Theatre, China, South East Asia and of course North Africa for 3 years.
Everything you try to model in detail may not disbalance the entire game play.
After each update, the game should run in historical mode as in the update before.
Every nation pack just adds ahistorical game options, for the achievement hunters interesting, for some locals of patriotic importance, but for 95% of the players another investment for few benefit.
Scandinavian countries are missing and also Switzerland and Belgium could be focused soon.

 

[Sidegaming]

I honor you invested work, but even with the capacity split of country content designers and main team, there are still hot spots.
Indeed it is called WW2, but the main conflicts took place in Europe and Pacific Theatre, China, South East Asia and of course North Africa for 3 years.
Everything you try to model in detail may not disbalance the entire game play.
After each update, the game should run in historical mode as in the update before.
Every nation pack just adds ahistorical game options, for the achievement hunters interesting, for some locals of patriotic importance, but for 95% of the players another investment for few benefit.

I Just Hope Anyone Tries To Make This A Reality, It doesn't Have To Be A country Pack But A Mod.

 

[Metz]

French and British Mandates should have the same tree the only difference is their interaction with their European overlords (France/Britain). In addition, French Mandate would deal more with the Kurds and Lebanese while the British Mandate would deal more with the Jewish and Palestinian diaspora in Israel and finding a way to make a compromise to keep stability high.

Then major trees would be for Saudi Arabia (to unify the Arabian world via different ideologies), and Iran (to do the same thing as Saudi Arabia but from a different area and from a Persian Empire perspective).

 

[Sidegaming]

French and British Mandates should have the same tree the only difference is their interaction with their European overlords (France/Britain). In addition, French Mandate would deal more with the Kurds and Lebanese while the British Mandate would deal more with the Jewish and Palestinian diaspora in Israel and finding a way to make a compromise to keep stability high.

Then major trees would be for Saudi Arabia (to unify the Arabian world via different ideologies), and Iran (to do the same thing as Saudi Arabia but from a different area and from a Persian Empire perspective).

Yes I Like Your Suggestion. I Can't Believe I Forgot Palestine And Syria.

 

[JackAlNXT]

I would honestly support a country pack of the small Middle Eastern nations. Just to see the community lose its collective mind over it. That's worth the price of the DLC alone.

 

[TalyonUngol]

I honor you invested work, but even with the capacity split of country content designers and main team, there are still hot spots.
Indeed it is called WW2, but the main conflicts took place in Europe and Pacific Theatre, China, South East Asia and of course North Africa for 3 years.
Everything you try to model in detail may not disbalance the entire game play.
After each update, the game should run in historical mode as in the update before.
Every nation pack just adds ahistorical game options, for the achievement hunters interesting, for some locals of patriotic importance, but for 95% of the players another investment for few benefit.
Scandinavian countries are missing and also Switzerland and Belgium could be focused soon.

Most people that play hoi4 play unhistorical and alternate history. The historical side is actually in the minor section.

I would honestly support a country pack of the small Middle Eastern nations. Just to see the community lose its collective mind over it. That's worth the price of the DLC alone.

It'll only be the very vocal part of the community that loses its mind. Most players play these ahistorical paths and enjoy them over the historical side. It was proven actually by the devs during one of the La resistance Dev Diarys.

 

[Sidegaming]

Most people that play hoi4 play unhistorical and alternate history. The historical side is actually in the minor section.




It'll only be the very vocal part of the community that loses its mind. Most players play these ahistorical paths and enjoy them over the historical side. It was proven actually by the devs during one of the La resistance Dev Diarys.

You're Right. I Really Love The Ahistorical Parts Of Hoi4 More Than Historical. The Reason Behind That some of the historical decisions IRL Are Stupid And I Always Think wat would Happen If This went differently.

 

[TalyonUngol]

You're Right. I Really Love The Ahistorical Parts Of Hoi4 More Than Historical. The Reason Behind That some of the historical decisions IRL Are Stupid And I Always Think wat would Happen If This went differently.

Well, I assume the biggest reason people enjoy the Ahistorical/Alt-history/Fantasy parts of the game is that, historical games play out the exact same way every time if you actually follow the historical side. The game gets boring after a while. Plus, if they truly made this a historical game, it would have even less players playing it. You know why? Because historically, the axis lost. If you play the game and it ends the EXACT SAME WAY, every time then whats the point of playing the Axis? It'll just be boring being forced to lose. No one wants to lose.

That being said, the Axis wins generally most of the time from what I've seen and that really has to deal with the AI not doing well over all. America not doing very well with Naval invasions, no one giving USSR supplies, USSR crumbling way too easily. Etc etc.

 

[MobiusTwo]

You probably saw my thread for a Middle Eastern rework, as I went over a few of the same ideas. But it's clear you have a strong interest in the region and probably did some research before posting. I like how you want to add Bahrain as a new state - right now it's just part of Qatar or something and isn't even represented in the game at all. My problem with your proposal is the existence of the communist paths - as far as I know, communist revolutions were just not ever going to happen in the Middle East in the 1930s. My opinion is that alt-history should be plausible, and if it's a major stretch, it should not be immersion breaking. Unfortunately, most communist and fascist paths are extremely contrived.

My second question is: do you plan on having the countries like Kuwait or the Trucial States as British puppets at the start of the game or what? Currently, they are just owned directly by the UK. Releasing them and then playing as them after the start date would probably screw up the historical timing of their focus trees, as would puppeting them.

 

[Sidegaming]

You probably saw my thread for a Middle Eastern rework, as I went over a few of the same ideas. But it's clear you have a strong interest in the region and probably did some research before posting. I like how you want to add Bahrain as a new state - right now it's just part of Qatar or something and isn't even represented in the game at all. My problem with your proposal is the existence of the communist paths - as far as I know, communist revolutions were just not ever going to happen in the Middle East in the 1930s. My opinion is that alt-history should be plausible, and if it's a major stretch, it should not be immersion breaking. Unfortunately, most communist and fascist paths are extremely contrived.

My second question is: do you plan on having the countries like Kuwait or the Trucial States as British puppets at the start of the game or what? Currently, they are just owned directly by the UK. Releasing them and then playing as them after the start date would probably screw up the historical timing of their focus trees, as would puppeting them.

First Of All I Said That These Are Some Ideas For Path, You Are Right About Communism In The Region. My Interest In These Countries Are Because I Lived In Kuwait For Three Year Then Move To Qatar, Then Finally Returning Home After 2 More Years.
Now On To Kuwait: Kuwait Was A Protectorate So I Suggest That They Have A Guarantee Of Independence And Give The UK Military And Docking Rights.
UAE: I Don't Know Much About Their History But They Should Be In The Same Boat As Kuwait (Along With Qatar Bahrain And Oman).
Kuwait Influenced A lot Of Battles In The First War And Help The Brits Against The Ottomans Without Joining The War By Letting The UK Use The Kuwaiti Flag On their Mail Boats To The British Raj.

Edit: As You Might Have Noticed I Started With Kuwaiti Communism With Alot Of Ideas, But The More Countries I did The Stupider It Looked.
P.S: I Just Finished Your Thread And I Agree With Some Of Your Points And I Can't Believe I Forgot Egypt As well As Mandates Of Syria And Lebanon / Palestine.

 

[Yanotoshi]

Well, I assume the biggest reason people enjoy the Ahistorical/Alt-history/Fantasy parts of the game is that, historical games play out the exact same way every time if you actually follow the historical side. The game gets boring after a while. Plus, if they truly made this a historical game, it would have even less players playing it. You know why? Because historically, the axis lost. If you play the game and it ends the EXACT SAME WAY, every time then whats the point of playing the Axis? It'll just be boring being forced to lose. No one wants to lose.

Historically means in MP until 09/39 with few alternatives but of course different setup of troops.
Historically in SP is almost rtge same. Germany builds up for war in autumn 39, the other majors do for challenge more or less the same. If Germany does not escalate, the AI won't offer you a nice, challenging war game.

 

[TalyonUngol]

Historically means in MP until 09/39 with few alternatives but of course different setup of troops.
Historically in SP is almost rtge same. Germany builds up for war in autumn 39, the other majors do for challenge more or less the same. If Germany does not escalate, the AI won't offer you a nice, challenging war game.

True, but you'll see Italy doing weird things, Romania, Soviet Union going for war with Japan or ht allies, Japan being really late to the China party. You'll see Britain decolonizing and honestly just alot of shenanigans with the alt-history turned on.

I wish there was more randomness though with Germany and USA doing their alt history paths like communism/facist for USA and non aligned/democraft for Germany. I would love for even more like Columbia going balls in for a world ocnquest and all the other fun stuff!

 

[GrounchoVilla]

Personally, I'd like to see Egypt become a puppet of the UK with its own tree, and Iraq and Iran to get trees. I don't think the Arabian peninsular states need trees as fascinating as they are, if only because they are too small to have much impact on anything outside of some madman minor run (which to be fair are fun).

 

[Duke_Dave]

I did some research I to those countries myself and basically except Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi-Arabia they are really too poor, small and irrelevant to warrant their own focus tree.

 

[Sidegaming]

I did some research I to those countries myself and basically except Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi-Arabia they are really too poor, small and irrelevant to warrant their own focus tree.

But If They Could Just Make It Historical And Make Them (Kuwait, UAE, Qatar And Bahrain) Only Guaranteed Independence Without Focus trees I'll Be Happy. They Just Have To Fix The Qatar/Bahrain State And The Unit Flags Being Upside Down For Kuwait And UAE And I'll Be Satisficed

 

[Emperor_Napoleon]

I'd support the idea of making a regional focus tree for the Arabian states, along the lines of what the Chinese warlords have. I support the same idea for the Baltic states too. I'm no expert on 20th century Arabian history, but I don't think there's enough potential unique content to justify a whole DLC just for Arabia. I would prefer a DLC focused on other Middle Eastern countries such as Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan (the former two actually having a minor role in WW2). I'd also be in favour of places like Egypt, Palestine and Syria becoming puppets/mandates of Britain and France. Many mods do this and it's a good idea.

 

[Duke_Dave]

But If They Could Just Make It Historical And Make Them (Kuwait, UAE, Qatar And Bahrain) Only Guaranteed Independence Without Focus trees I'll Be Happy. They Just Have To Fix The Qatar/Bahrain State And The Unit Flags Being Upside Down For Kuwait And UAE And I'll Be Satisficed

But they were de facto puppets. Basically make them collaboration regimes. Would be the est solution in my view.