add_division and strength

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when adding a division through event, how can I decide which strength they should have?

(and btw, in game terms, how many percent (1-100) should 1 regiment and 1 brigade represent, in this case for GER)

 

[Miihkali]

It's not possible. You need to use activate division command, but I think it's bugged, because sometimes game crashes when using it.

 

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... but I've seen plenty of mods where a division isn't at full strength at the beginning...

CORE2 is the first to come to my mind.

 

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So look there for the syntax used and feel free to report your findings here.

 

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So look there for the syntax used and feel free to report your findings here.

With that tone, I guess I'm dead wrong on this one, but okey, thanks anyway

 

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Well, perhaps this is the way the handled it:

landdivision = {
	dormant = yes
	id = { type = xxx id = xxx }
	name = "xxx"
	type = motorized
	model = xxx
	strength  = [COLOR=Red]80[/COLOR]
	extra = armored_car 
	brigade_model = 1
	experience = 20   
	}

From one of the COREd OOB's

And then it's just to activate that division through event?

 

[Miihkali]

Yes, that's the way.

 

[HistoryMan]

A couple of notes :-

a) you can only add dormant divisions this way - so you do need to specify them all in the INC file first.

b) Just using the "strength = 80" line only limits the starting strength - if you wish to represent a smaller than Division sized unit for the longer term, you can try to use the "max_strength = xx" line as well. I say try because the problem is that your understrength unit still has all the attack and defence stats of a full sized unit - hence your "Brigade" will attack just as well as a Division... all it will do is die rather sooner because it is only at (say) 30% strength.

Typically, a German Division would be 15,000 men strong or so - a Brigade or Regiment would be about 4000 men, as there are 3 Brigades/Regts in a division, plus supporting troops like artillery, recon & engineers. So 1 Brigade might be about 25-30% - but see my caveat above about trying to model this.

Tim

 

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Many thanks, HistoryMan!

Now I know how to handle this all

 

[xtfoster]

when adding a division through event, how can I decide which strength they should have?

(and btw, in game terms, how many percent (1-100) should 1 regiment and 1 brigade represent, in this case for GER)

Depends on the brigade...if you mean an overstrength division, it would probably be max_strength = 134...
But as the above poster states, you can't change the max_strength of a unit in the game. These divisions would have to be defined in the *.inc files (as dormant divisions) and activated by event.

 

[xtfoster]

Well, perhaps this is the way the handled it:

landdivision = {
	dormant = yes
	id = { type = xxx id = xxx }
	name = "xxx"
	type = motorized
	model = xxx
	strength  = [COLOR=Red]80[/COLOR]
	extra = armored_car 
	brigade_model = 1
	experience = 20   
	}

From one of the COREd OOB's

And then it's just to activate that division through event?

No...you need to add a line under the strength line...

max_strength = 134

the strength = 80 line above just means that the divisions starts out damaged to 80%, but can be repaired to full (100) strength.

 

[xtfoster]

I say try because the problem is that your understrength unit still has all the attack and defence stats of a full sized unit - hence your "Brigade" will attack just as well as a Division... all it will do is die rather sooner because it is only at (say) 30% strength.

No
An understrength division (either because of damage or use of the max_strength line) will attack/defend with proportional stats based on its current strength. This is why the Oman/Yemen Royal Cavalry brigades that are set at 15% max_strength are WORTHLESS in combat (even more worthless than a normal '18 cavalry division).

 

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kudos xtfoster,

didn't see that max_strength anywhere, good to know there is one