Add option for Austria-Hungary to refuse Czechoslovakia puppeting?

[Zeprion]

I don't think anyone likes that RNG dependent factor. It's better if they refuse than if they want to be a puppet.

Could Austria-Hungary have an alternative option to refuse CZE puppet request and if CZE still refuses gain a wargoal instead?

 

[Vin55]

They should just give it to a human player. It is usless RNG as you pointed out. It just forces you to tab out several times until you have the result. As Austria Hungary you are to weak to punch through and you kind of need the generals and armies of them.

 

[Novis Blackburn]

I agree with both of you.
I would support always having Bohemia return to the crown—like Vin55 mentioned, the Czechoslovak cores, military, and generals are almost necessary to have a good Austria-Hungary game.
But, if this isn't going to happen, I would prefer Austria-Hungary have the option to refuse to adopt Czechoslovakia's puppet-hood and have them remain independent (especially if it could come with a wargoal).

 

[Zeprion]

Having this RNG factor completely makes Austria-Hungary unreliable in multiplayer. There's a 50/50 chance you have an either meh or wow nation.

The option for Austria-Hungary to refuse CZE puppet request and if CZE still refuses gain a wargoal instead should be common sense. It's weird that you can't refuse something that is actually bad for you.

And after you puppet them, there is a decision "seek closer bound with Bohemia" or a similar name, that lowers Bohemia's autonomy by 100 at the cost of 75 political power. This may be a hint that someone in the development team thought about this Austria-Hungary issue.

But 75 political power for only 100 autonomy? that's way too over the top. CZE starts as dominion, the closest thing to independence and there are 3 more levels: colony, puppet and integrated puppet before they can be annexed. That's a total of 3.500 autonomy points. Who is even going to use 75x35 = 2.625 political power in order to annex Bohemia? This decision is a good idea but extremely badly implemented, because I'm not even sure you can get 2.625 pp in total, let alone spend all of that to annex CZE.

I would argue at least 250 autonomy for 20 political power to actually make that decision not a complete scam.

With 250 autonomy loss for each 20 political power, you would need 3.500/250 = 14, 20x14 = 280 political power. A reasonable cost to annex CZE I would say. It shouldn't be a big detour for the Austrio-Hungarian player if it happens, given this whole situation is not the player's fault but comes down to RNG in the first place. It would be best if you'd have the option to avoid this altogether, but if it comes to this a 280 political power detour is a reasonable amount to pay.

Instead of having a 50/50 chance you have an either meh or wow nation, you have a 50/50 chance you end up with no political power cost or 280 political power cost in worst case scenario, which I think is a more manageable risk.

 

[FLUX2226]

Having this RNG factor completely makes Austria-Hungary unreliable in multiplayer. There's a 50/50 chance you have an either meh or wow nation.

My point of view as well. RNG deciding whether you straight up win or lose in a game like HoI4 is not balancing, it just makes you restart your run in singleplayer and avoid the content altogether in multiplayer.

If Hungary is AI-controlled, CZE will always accept annexation, there's a modifier for this in the event files.

Btw, if you do your CZE protection focus while Germany is doing their Sudetenland focus, you have a very high chance of annexing them. Still not good enough for multiplayer, but it helps in singleplayer.

 

[Idle America]

At the very least, give us a better way to slowly annex them, instead of spending 100 PP every few months. And for the love of god, if we do annex them this way, give us their damn generals!

 

[KubiG37]

I agree with your point, but am I the only one thinking that letting your entire country be just straight out annexed by a country you were a subject of for the last 300 years, and fought for your independence from it just 20 years ago, only to be willingly annexed again ridiculous?

This whole AH thing is just a meme concept and actually I think the czechs should almost always refuse, unless you greatly outnumber their army/industry.

Hungarians were first class citizens in AH and it makes sense they’d rejoin AH, but Czechs, just as slovakians,italians, ukrainians, poles, croats, romanians.... were just conquered subjects and second grade citizens who were not very happy about being ruled by foreigners from Vienna.

 

[mursolini]

I agree with your point, but am I the only one thinking that letting your entire country be just straight out annexed by a country you were a subject of for the last 300 years, and fought for your independence from it just 20 years ago, only to be willingly annexed again ridiculous?

Like Baltic States being peacefully annexed by SU, right?

This whole AH thing is just a meme concept and actually I think the czechs should almost always refuse, unless you greatly outnumber their army/industry.

Czechs are between Germany and AH at that point, with both states wanting territory from them. It's not a great choice, but you can pick your poison.

Hungarians were first class citizens in AH and it makes sense they’d rejoin AH, but Czechs, just as slovakians,italians, ukrainians, poles, croats, romanians.... were just conquered subjects and second grade citizens who were not very happy about being ruled by foreigners from Vienna.

Assumingly if you join peacefully, you can negotiate to be 1.5 or 1 class citizens. Better than being occupied.