that is directly a result of the developer's failure in implementing a functioning matchmaking system. same story going all the way back to European Escalation (2012).
According to Eugen, no new balance patch until late July/early August
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that is directly a result of the developer's failure in implementing a functioning matchmaking system. same story going all the way back to European Escalation (2012).
While constant doomsday preaching is unproductive, so is constant apologia and telling people to "move on" etc. Many of the people complaining are people who are actually invested in the game and want it to succeed and thus seeing the playerbase drop just breaks their hearts and what do you expect to see other than a form of backlash venting their frustration at apparent inaction on Eugens part? (Probably on post-release vacation)
I'm just saying, Eugen shouldn't take the doomsday prophets too personally, but they shouldn't ignore the concerns they're actually having.
Good lord is damage control really that hard.
Shift the damnable rocket artilley assets out of Phase A.
Shift the damnable gun AT plane assets out of Phase A.
Shift the damnable call-in artillery out of Phase A and the heavy-call ins out to Phase C.
Tumour removed, meta is less cancerous. Follow-up fine tuning can be implemented, but right now these are the worst offenders.
Shift the damnable rocket artilley assets out of Phase A.
Shift the damnable gun AT plane assets out of Phase A.
Shift the damnable call-in artillery out of Phase A and the heavy-call ins out to Phase C.
Tumour removed, meta is less cancerous. Follow-up fine tuning can be implemented, but right now these are the worst offenders.
That's completely true. There needs to be a balance. I'm all for being critical of devs as a consumer it's something we have the power to do. But it needs to be reasonable and actually with intent to improve the game or community. I rightly or wrongly feel there are people here who would rather see SD fail. My comment was just trying to be a bit of a counter balance.
I would like to see the game succeed, it's the only RTS i have played in the last 8 or so years that I've really enjoyed. I honestly don't know enough about balance and QoL online to really have any input on that yet. All I can say is that the game is fun and it's been well received by critics. If you look in the forum you get a very innacurate picture of the game and I would like to give credit where credit is due.
The game is very good and anyone interested should pick it up and help Eugen make it even better.
That's all just my opinion obviously. But hopefully Eugen keeps going and Paradox gives them some support to get the word out once they are confident the game is in the best place it can be. The core gameplay is great, it's deep and engaging. The maps are really beautiful too! Like they are honestly so well done. With some balance changes and QoL changes (if these are needed) and maybe something else singleplayer wise to ease people in and then keep them coming in, I think it can do well. Would a demo be a good idea?
But stay positive guys! The core of the game is so good. My friend is tempted to get it now after initially being put off by some early impressions. With content and patches (which we have been told are coming) it can start to pick up pace.
Fun fact: SD performs even worse than AoA
AoA have 700 online 2 months since release, SD have 600 in even shorter time.
AoA have 700 online 2 months since release, SD have 600 in even shorter time.
I've got five mates who bought and played AoA and not one of them has purchased Steel Division, not because they didn't like the look of the game, but for the simple reason that they were concerned it would go the same way as AoA. And it has too and in a fraction of the time. Eugen are doing something majorly wrong.
Say No to those who obviously want the game to fail!
Sorry Harold I couldn't resist
But ok what can they do? How do they retain players? Everyone here seems to be an expert on how to retain players in a very niche genre of historical RTS. Not the easiest thing to get the masses in to these days! It's not like when I was young and the store shelves were covered in big cardboard boxes with war scenes on the front. CoH2 is probably the most succesfull military RTS right now and that's largely due to it being an arcade style game. I take it that's not what you guys want?
Sorry Harold I couldn't resist
But ok what can they do? How do they retain players? Everyone here seems to be an expert on how to retain players in a very niche genre of historical RTS. Not the easiest thing to get the masses in to these days! It's not like when I was young and the store shelves were covered in big cardboard boxes with war scenes on the front. CoH2 is probably the most succesfull military RTS right now and that's largely due to it being an arcade style game. I take it that's not what you guys want?
So explain to me why five mates who are actually into this niche genre decide not to purchase. What's the likelihood of them ever buying a Eugen game ever again?Say No to those who obviously want the game to fail!
Sorry Harold I couldn't resist
But ok what can they do? How do they retain players? Everyone here seems to be an expert on how to retain players in a very niche genre of historical RTS. Not the easiest thing to get the masses in to these days! It's not like when I was young and the store shelves were covered in big cardboard boxes with war scenes on the front. CoH2 is probably the most succesfull military RTS right now and that's largely due to it being an arcade style game. I take it that's not what you guys want?
Say No to those who obviously want the game to fail!
Sorry Harold I couldn't resist
But ok what can they do? How do they retain players? Everyone here seems to be an expert on how to retain players in a very niche genre of historical RTS. Not the easiest thing to get the masses in to these days! It's not like when I was young and the store shelves were covered in big cardboard boxes with war scenes on the front. CoH2 is probably the most succesfull military RTS right now and that's largely due to it being an arcade style game. I take it that's not what you guys want?
They need more vacations to make game better for sure.
I'll tell you what they need. They need to make more than just a great game. They need make the best game they can with all the bells and whistles. If you are going to develop a "niche" online multiplayer game then you need to include awesome match making, dedicated servers for more than just 10v10 games, seemless chat/voice options and buddy systems, a user friendly in-game and lobby UI, plus excellent tutorials. A few basic tutorials for a game which has hundreds of different units with different stats and play mechanics just won't cut it. Don't bother making multiplayer focused games if you can't make the experience seemless because online multiplayer games rely on having players to play against and making sure those players know how to play. Steel Division is a great game but it's missing too many things to keep people playing for a long time and with online multiplayer this spells disaster.
They are human beings. They have the right to a break >.>
So entitled. They worked hard to make a product. They are by law entitled to a holiday. In fact they are probably required to take them.
Does anyone know if there are any other forums? Although i know gamers are just like this nowadays so i guess it doesnt matter where i go really.
Iamthatiam. Maybe the same reason my friend said he wouldnt pick it up? Looked at forums to see what people were talking about. Then assumed the game was terrible from the comments about balance and lag.
It kept me away for a week as well. I was going to get it in steam summer sale but held off after reading the forums. I ended up watching lots of youtube vids and realised that the game was far better than people here were giving it credit for.
So i expect it has low player numbers because its difficult to get into with a steep learning curve. It has very vocal critics some ppl would rather see it fail than succeed. And it sounds like it had a few problems at launch. So maybe they had to release too soon coz paradox wanted it out? I dunno speculating there.
But there is no quick fix the team can do. They will hopefully work on some content and hopefully paradox will make a song and dance and maybe a sale when that releases.
Do we have to keep making a big deal out it? Just let them get on with it and see what happens. If you have a good idea write it down for them.
Say No to those who obviously want the game to fail!
Sorry Harold I couldn't resist
But ok what can they do? How do they retain players? Everyone here seems to be an expert on how to retain players in a very niche genre of historical RTS. Not the easiest thing to get the masses in to these days! It's not like when I was young and the store shelves were covered in big cardboard boxes with war scenes on the front. CoH2 is probably the most succesfull military RTS right now and that's largely due to it being an arcade style game. I take it that's not what you guys want?
Respond faster to player concerns.
Communicate intent.
Have longer betas where all parts of the game are tested before release, not just select parts.
Focus group testing of new player experience and substantial investment in improving it (which to an extent Eugen did) coupled with a refusal to rely on esoteric mechanics that are not clearly communicated.
I gave a ton of feedback during beta under a different username. I was heavily invested in this game and in its success because it was literally exactly what I wanted. I got a couple friends to buy it, talked about it with CoH2 buddies and in CoH2.org and was generally trying to help it be the best game of could be.
And then the game came out and two untested divisions became a giant source of balance problems, matchmaker was unfinished and poorly designed, line of sight tool is still utterly broken by terrain and therefore useless. Observe was added but in a way that makes it both a potential tool for cheats because of the short time delay and also useless because almost everyone turns it off. Not to mention it was nonfunctional for over a week due to bugs.
None of the things that make this game good are new to the series, like the mix between zoom and detail or the tight unit micro and mass scale. Many of the things that make it bad are new, like massive amounts of RNG and the huge impact of veterancy.
Most obnoxious of all has been the arbitrary commitments to historical accuracy in ways that harm balance. Tank and AA performance has to be "authentic" except for their ranges, automotive reliability and full tank range, but plane availability, accuracy and battlefield impact can be riotously fantasy with no issue. It shouldn't be this hard to find a compromise between authenticity and reasonably good play experiences.
Also the mustang iv the poles use was just as fast as the p51d with exactly the same engine, but for some reason it goes super slow. That just annoys me. Takes five seconds to find that out on wikipedia but it is still an issue.
why. Those mechanics are of no importance to beginners, but add depth to higher levels of play.
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Pissed of wargames mad since ALB dont get that moving on is something the right thing in live and wanna stop anyone else from having fun with stuff they dont have. Its hard to fight ainst so much negativity and most of the possitiv players stopped holding against it weeks ago so negativity is the only thing left here and it gets more and more because those guys push each other. So we should stay out side and make our own things and try to hold agianst them elsewhere or wait till their are finally gone. (We might be pretty low in numbers than but It s much easier to build something up if oyu dont get negative calls from everywhere all 3 seconds. So pls all positive people who like this game group up. ANd endure this shit post time. There will be a time when criticism will be something real and not spamming the same shit 500x in a row.
thats directly a result of dump wargamers hanging around and having no Fun in nothing so they have to destroy anyone elses fun.
Gamers are sadly still thinking games are falling from heaven and developers are slaves of the community who dont need eat sleep or vaction and are willing to work 24/7 and have a IQ at least on Einstein level so they can fix any Problem in minutes. havent changed in the last 15 years and will not change in the future. Even Blizzard team members got pushed into burnout by the community. GAmers are hell when it comes to thsi in most part. Because for them its their holly medium not something human.
The thing i've noticed with gamers is not that they just want instant gratification, they want a plan and a roadmap for the future. They want to see the direction that the game is going and offer input. (this doesn't apply to actual trolls ofc)
Eugen doesn't do that so we have no idea what they have planned or what areas of the game they're looking at.
Eugen's response to the entire "player base dimishing" has been muted for the most part, and I see no tangible roadmap anywhere so all people can do is speculate, and when nothing is done they become frustrated.
A roadmap of what they plan to do would allieviate problems, we could see what's coming up on the horizon including the breaks that eugen have off and arent't working
Instead we have practically nothing.
Eugen doesn't do that so we have no idea what they have planned or what areas of the game they're looking at.
Eugen's response to the entire "player base dimishing" has been muted for the most part, and I see no tangible roadmap anywhere so all people can do is speculate, and when nothing is done they become frustrated.
A roadmap of what they plan to do would allieviate problems, we could see what's coming up on the horizon including the breaks that eugen have off and arent't working
Instead we have practically nothing.