AC40

[Hippy]

Here is the Helepolis in Sarna.net

Here is Helepolis mini for table top BattleTech

http://ironwindmetals.com/store/popup_image.php?pID=6257&type=jpg

 

[Wolf0503]

doesn't come out till 3075

 

[Hasler]

For those saying that a mech shouldn't be able to destroy a tank with a single stomp... A tank (or for that matter most vehicles) are simply not designed to support that much weight. A 60 ton tank can't have an additional 60 tons placed atop its turret and survive the experience (let alone a 60 ton weight that's moving with any speed downward).

At the very least it would crush the turrent down into the vehicle (destroying any mounting structures), possibly even driving the armored turret thru the bottom of the vehicle (and that's assuming that the turret doesn't crush in addition). The sudden increase in weight and force would crush any suspension system (wheels, tracks and their drive shafts would be broken off or so horribly bent as to not function). Even if the occupants of the vehicle managed to survive, the weapons would be useless, the vehicle would be unable to move (ever again), the occupants would likely be trapped within, and this all assumes that nothing flammable or explosive touches off in the process.

Of course there's a chance you'll break it, but try stomping as hard as you can on a strain gauge (scale) and see what it measures. You'll notice that it is much higher than what you actually weigh.

And yes, scale is definitely off. A tank of equal mass should be at least knee height to a mech, and to be quite honest, every mech in the game should really be much heavier than listed... But its just a game, and when first put out back in the early 80's games usually weren't researched that hard before publication and weren't originally intended to have lasted as long as this one has. Back in the 80's roleplaying games like Battletech, Mechwarrior and many other titles were being rolled out at the rate of 100 a week to cash in on the craze and popularity of the genre of the time. They simply weren't thought thru all that much in the rush to push them out. Literally everything had its own RPG during that decade (Indiana Jones, Conan, Battletech, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Star Frontiers, Robotech, The Last Starfighter, every movie or book was being turned into a game during that decade - few survived).

Sure it can her is a picture of 70 ton tank high centered on another 70 ton tank.

It is defiantly not the thing you ever want to happen to your vehicle, but you are not smashing the turret through the hull either.
You could make an argument that it would F-Up the torsion bars, knock the gun out of battery, bent the top armor depending how the stomp went, etc but out right destroy is a stretch.

PS: was that meant for this thread. This is the AC40 thread.

 

[Harmattan Assassin]

Sure it can her is a picture of 70 ton tank high centered on another 70 ton tank.

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It is defiantly not the thing you ever want to happen to your vehicle, but you are not smashing the turret through the hull either.
You could make an argument that it would F-Up the torsion bars, knock the gun out of battery, bent the top armor depending how the stomp went, etc but out right destroy is a stretch.

PS: was that meant for this thread. This is the AC40 thread.

Try dropping that tank from 30' above the lower one, and then come back and tell me what happens. Also, notice the entire weight of that tank isn't on the other's turret.

 

[Jadedfalcon]

Try dropping that tank from 30' above the lower one, and then come back and tell me what happens. Also, notice the entire weight of that tank isn't on the other's turret.

Such aim must be impeccable and should not impeccable aim be rewarded?

 

[Hasler]

Try dropping that tank from 30' above the lower one, and then come back and tell me what happens. Also, notice the entire weight of that tank isn't on the other's turret.

It's not nearly as much energy as you think. A30ft or 10 meter drop since I'm feeling generous and it makes the math easier will produce a velocity of 14m/s. 70 tons is 63636kg which at KE=.5 x mv2 produces 6236000 joules of energy. This translates to roughly 32lbs of TNT at 4182j per gram and 454 grams in a lbs.

So if a tank can keep its turret(which it can) with 32lbs of TNT going off on it, it will survive this.

 

[Hippy]

doesn't come out till 3075

If you talking about the Helepolis,


First unleashed by the Terran Hegemony in 2460, the Helepolis is a ponderous BattleMech designed to deliver artillery fire. The 'Mech was proven ineffective on multiple occasions and, following the destruction of the production facilities in 2775, the design was lost during the Succession Wars. The HEP-2H dates to 2488.[1]

The Helepolis is a slow heavy 'Mech with a maximum speed of 54 km/h. It has a respectable thirteen tons of armor, however.[1]

When rebels within the Hegemony military launched the September Revolt, the new Director-General, Ian Cameron deployed batteries of Helepolis 'Mechs to keep them pinned down within the capital city of Geneva on Terra.[6]

 

[Bladewinder]

A King crab is your AC 40 carrier.
One for each arm.

 

[stjobe]

to be quite honest, every mech in the game should really be much heavier than listed...

The 'Mechs are too tall, not too light. PGI's models are roughly 25-50% too tall for canonical 'Mech height (up to 18 meters instead of the 9-14 meters they should be by lore)

If you do the math on the canon heights instead of the in-game model heights, a 'Mech weighs roughly 2-2.5 times what a similarly scaled-up human would.

E.g. a 180 cm 80 kg human scaled up to 14.4 meters = factor of 8 means weight increases by the cube of 8 = 512 times, which is 40,960 kg, or 41 tons, or 41% of what an Atlas actually weighs, meaning the Atlas is roughly 2.5 times as dense as an equally-tall human.

 

[Flying Dice]

Strap a Cruise Missile 120 to the back of an Atlas?

 

[Hippy]

I am surprised this has not shown up in the thread yet. I was trying not to post it, as the person who made it was in the previous forums and I cannot do the story justice. But lets just say at the Convention it was in, a BatteTech Dev loved it so much he made it conical on the spot.

 

[Wolf0503]

I wish we could custom paint individual mech-The urbie is just Screaming to be Oscar Or R2D2