Absolution troubled transition

[theauthor]

So i just managed to reach age of absolutism, become strong eneough that my valid rival are my ally Emperor Austria, unfortunately my crownland remain somewhat low since i'm so focus on money and i give many privilege to my estates that it's hard to revoke them and some of the benefit especially mp and land ownership is something that i want to keep. Here's my estates and my current max absolutism is in -20

 

[Vulkandrache]

I do not understand why people dont give out Monopolies.

 

[theauthor]

I do not understand why people dont give out Monopolies.

I prefer the estates bonus? It's also a bit of hassle revoking monopoly since i'm pretty sure i need to manually revoke it first. Also you just see my estate right? It's almost full.

 

[Vulkandrache]

It's almost full.

Almost full, yes. With almost useless crap.
If it was 1512 that window would be borderline ok.
Do you really need 10% cheaper Generals at this point?

I prefer the estates bonus?

Getting the LoEq to 50 or even 60% is way more important than getting one more Privilege in.

You say you are focused on money yet for some reason you give out the GC priv for everyone.
Do you not have state and courthouse everywhere?

I dont see "Strong duchies" either which means you arent using Vassals to park land for a few decades.
No wonder you have no GC.

The loyalty and influence of all your estates should be flipped around.
I really wonder how you managed to get to 48% CL with this kind of Influence on them.
The Burghers are especialy egregious. If an estate creeps above 60 Influence you need to consider doing something.

But the thing really messing with my brain is how the GC priv is to the left of the MP ones.
That means you needed to have revoked the later at some point only to readd it afterwards.
What a waste of 30 CL. That would have been a few 1000 ducats.

 

[theauthor]

Almost full, yes. With almost useless crap.
If it was 1512 that window would be borderline ok.
Do you really need 10% cheaper Generals at this point?

Getting the LoEq to 50 or even 60% is way more important than getting one more Privilege in.

You say you are focused on money yet for some reason you give out the GC priv for everyone.
Do you not have state and courthouse everywhere?

I dont see "Strong duchies" either which means you arent using Vassals to park land for a few decades.
No wonder you have no GC.

The loyalty and influence of all your estates should be flipped around.
I really wonder how you managed to get to 48% CL with this kind of Influence on them.
The Burghers are especialy egregious. If an estate creeps above 60 Influence you need to consider doing something.

But the thing really messing with my brain is how the GC priv is to the left of the MP ones.
That means you needed to have revoked the later at some point only to readd it afterwards.
What a waste of 30 CL. That would have been a few 1000 ducats.

I like cheaper general so eh. By focusing on money that means i sell titles and yeah i like loyal estates even if it's very high influence. The burghers though are intentional since i grant the "exempt from seize land" privilege to keep merchant loyalty high, i like not having to manipulate for -10% dev cost.

The GC crap are spot on though because i state province too much so even if most of my region have courthouse i still over the goverment capacity(like 1800/1550?) I haven't really figure out how much loan/selling titles i should take for building especially courthouse. Shpuld have use TC more. And Vassal but annexing vassal feels more draining than just core them hence the lack of vassal.

 

[Vulkandrache]

And Vassal but annexing vassal feels more draining than just core them hence the lack of vassal.

You dont integrate Vassals aproaching the third Age.
You sit on them and wait for the cheaper intergration from Abs.

Its hard to tell from your croped image but but i would assume you to be at around 2k Dev.
Around 1600 you can easily have 4-6 Vassals with 200 Dev each as storage.

The GC does not get better until Townhalls if you want to expand at any sort of speed.
Especialy if you want to keep Avg LA down for reformprogress.

By focusing on money that means i sell titles and yeah i like loyal estates even if it's very high influence.

"Focusing on money" means you have a manufactury on everything that isnt double manpower soldier house or double statehouse by 1600.
You only have 700 ducats. Have you upgraded every monument avaliable already or why so little cash?


But overall you didnt manage your estate properly and now you have no MaxAbs.
There isnt any real advise other than restart and do better next time.
Its going to take 10 or 20 years to fix that, no wonder medicine here.

 

[theauthor]

You dont integrate Vassals aproaching the third Age.
You sit on them and wait for the cheaper intergration from Abs.

Its hard to tell from your croped image but but i would assume you to be at around 2k Dev.
Around 1600 you can easily have 4-6 Vassals with 200 Dev each as storage.

The GC does not get better until Townhalls if you want to expand at any sort of speed.
Especialy if you want to keep Avg LA down for reformprogress.


"Focusing on money" means you have a manufactury on everything that isnt double manpower soldier house or double statehouse by 1600.
You only have 700 ducats. Have you upgraded every monument avaliable already or why so little cash?


But overall you didnt manage your estate properly and now you have no MaxAbs.
There isnt any real advise other than restart and do better next time.
Its going to take 10 or 20 years to fix that, no wonder medicine here.

Yeah. I think i should have tc more than states.

Yeah around 2000dev and my money empty because i'm building manufactory and courthouse. I'm fine with not revoking privilege for a long period but thinking about it my ideas and gc management are upsetting enough that it sap my motivation to continue

 

[klingonadmiral]

You dont integrate Vassals aproaching the third Age.

Integrating a large subject just before you hit Absolutism can make sense since if you immediately state their land it sits at 75% LA and can thus provide a nice early absolutism boost right out of the gate.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You dont integrate Vassals aproaching the third Age.
You sit on them and wait for the cheaper intergration from Abs.

IMO this depends. If you're not running a bunch, you can annex your way out of strong duchies + nobility integration, and sometimes the marginal DIP cost of that isn't too bad if they're not big...especially if you time it so that adding > 50 absolutism ends the annexation so you're getting most of the benefit.

As for monopolies, giving them does hurt income, while giving loyalty and mercantilism. Mercantilism isn't useless, but it's also not amazing. I tend to give monopolies on things I don't have a lot of so I get the loyalty boost + mercantilism w/o losing much cash (20% income over a several year period on almost nothing).

OP's issue is not planning ahead in a few ways. One is that influence is simply too high relative to loyalty. That's bad, it makes it hard to revoke privileges. The other is simply not revoking them with enough time before absolutism.

If you're willing to hurt reform progress a bit, you can swap into a government that takes away nobility, which will also take away its privileges and distribute its estate land to the remaining categories. For the others, there's no choice but to boost loyalty and revoke them.

 

[theauthor]

IMO this depends. If you're not running a bunch, you can annex your way out of strong duchies + nobility integration, and sometimes the marginal DIP cost of that isn't too bad if they're not big...especially if you time it so that adding > 50 absolutism ends the annexation so you're getting most of the benefit.

As for monopolies, giving them does hurt income, while giving loyalty and mercantilism. Mercantilism isn't useless, but it's also not amazing. I tend to give monopolies on things I don't have a lot of so I get the loyalty boost + mercantilism w/o losing much cash (20% income over a several year period on almost nothing).

OP's issue is not planning ahead in a few ways. One is that influence is simply too high relative to loyalty. That's bad, it makes it hard to revoke privileges. The other is simply not revoking them with enough time before absolutism.

If you're willing to hurt reform progress a bit, you can swap into a government that takes away nobility, which will also take away its privileges and distribute its estate land to the remaining categories. For the others, there's no choice but to boost loyalty and revoke them.

I will have to say that the screenshot i give is after revoking some privelege(hence the low loyalty) My cleric loyalty are 100 because of cleric reform effect of controlling coptic holy site. Nobility and Burgher are around 75-80 loyalty so overall i'm not too concerned about them. Cossacks though are hard to please, i was going to use them to boost my army tradition(you can get 30 from one of the privelege) but i fight so often and Armenia military reform grant army tradition ajd army professionalism for each general click means my army tradition is consistently at 98-100

 

[Vulkandrache]

Ah, yes. The Cossacks estate.
The big reason why i detest playing eastern tech nations.

 

[Banedon Runestar]

By the 1600's I've either completed (or am very close to) stripping the estates of nearly everything, keeping only +1 mana per month and Strong Duchies.
If I have a large number of vassals I enact Aristocratic Integration, but that's only until I'm done with bringing everything "in-house".

To fix your absolution you need to revoke most of these privileges, but that's going to take some planning and a lot of time.
And hopefully, you can use this as a learning experience so you don't run into this problem (at least this badly) in the future.

First - you need to build courthouses/town halls just about everywhere, but especially in high-dev provinces. Also put State Houses on their goods (Paper, Glass, Gems). This will help get your Gov Capacity under control so you can revoke those privileges without hurting yourself.

Unless you're going for a world conquest, an achievement requiring a mega blob (Over a Thousand!, Jihad, something similar), or are trying to complete trees like Oirat > Yuan > Mongol Empire, you generally aren't going to need to enact those privileges to begin with. Plus at that scale, a better option might be to pick areas to leave as territories vs full cores.

Second - dump the rest of the privileges that reduce advisor cost, or general cost, or pretty much anything else.

If you get every estate to their loyalty threshold before you revoke a set of privileges, it'll take about 80-100 years to clear up the jam you're in.
If you use the periodic estate events to intentionally supercharge one estate and piss off another, you can likely revoke something from the happy estate and clear the privileges out in half the time. You just need to be willing and able to weather the temporary issues you'll get.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You can one tag w/o privileges using only territories + courthouses. This does mean there's some room for full states, or using half states + TC, even before you get state houses. Buildings are at their best in full states though, unless you're willing to do econ hegemon + other -min auto modifiers and spam half states...but that's not usually a pre-absolutism setup.