is there any point to having this govt? all it seems to do is make the jacobins go world eater on you
absolute monarch?
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You can put who you want in government, when you want. Nothing like playing USA and can't guild factories because the wrong liberal government is in power.
but you can do the same thing with Prussian Constitutionalism and you don't have as many Jacobin rebels, shouldn't there be big benefits to having absolute power?
Having played absolute monarchies to 1936 several times without changing government, the real benefits are not having election spam and the ability to change ruling parties at will to a wide variety of parties as suits your current needs. Justifying a war, switch to Jingoism/Pro-military party. Need to build factories, switched to State Capitalism/Planned Economy party.
As for Jacobins, I don't know if you've noticed, but there aren't a lot of absolute monarchies around in 2013. Most Western monarchies were either overthrown or lost what was left of their power to some democratic ruling body during the time period of Vicky II. The vast majority of those cases were not the monarch deciding to give up all their power out of the goodness of their heart because they love democracy. All the way back to the Magna Carta absolute monarchs have been forced to relinquish power when they realized the alternative was worse.
As for Jacobins, I don't know if you've noticed, but there aren't a lot of absolute monarchies around in 2013. Most Western monarchies were either overthrown or lost what was left of their power to some democratic ruling body during the time period of Vicky II. The vast majority of those cases were not the monarch deciding to give up all their power out of the goodness of their heart because they love democracy. All the way back to the Magna Carta absolute monarchs have been forced to relinquish power when they realized the alternative was worse.
yes i understand that but under Prussian const you can also change parties when ever you want and you get less jacobins , gameplay wise there seems to be no point to absolute monarchy
I play them just to not get spammed by election events, although you can also get that with dictatorships, but dictatorships are locked into a single ruling party.
You can also change ruling parties under HMS Government. I don't think there is any functional difference between Prussian Constitutionalism and HMS Government.
You can also change ruling parties under HMS Government. I don't think there is any functional difference between Prussian Constitutionalism and HMS Government.
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I think the only real difference (and there should be more, imo) is to what one is rolled back in case of reactionary overthrow of your govt.
It would be great if there were more interesting differences between government types so that it really mattered, but I think the reason they're mostly interchangeable is that player isn't supposed to care too much. Even though the game calls you King or President or whatever, this isn't Crusader Kings, you're playing as the country not the King. I think the design intention was that in most games the government might change a few times and that shouldn't have a tremendous amount of impact on the player. Of course, we players do tend to be stubborn. I'm not having MY country overthrown by Anarcho-Liberals (they give me way more trouble than Jacobins, almost as much as communists, but it probably is because I run my government extremely anti-Liberal. Protectionism and Planned Economy for everybody!)
IIRC that was a mistake. They said they were going to fix that, I thought? HMS Gov shouldn't be able to.
That which was rolled back was the mistake that kept HMS_gov from switching parties.
You get to keep the monarchist flag with Prussian Constitutionalism compared to HM's Government, big difference 
As for Absolute monarchy, you can switch parties whenever you want. In Prussian constitutionalism you can still do this, but elections will always come and usually unelect who you posted. And you have to remember that every time you click "change party" miliantcy goes up. So that means that if you want your reactionaries to build factories, then the conservatives get elected, you are raising militancy by repositioning the reactionaries back in power.
As for Absolute monarchy, you can switch parties whenever you want. In Prussian constitutionalism you can still do this, but elections will always come and usually unelect who you posted. And you have to remember that every time you click "change party" miliantcy goes up. So that means that if you want your reactionaries to build factories, then the conservatives get elected, you are raising militancy by repositioning the reactionaries back in power.
You get to keep the monarchist flag with Prussian Constitutionalism compared to HM's Government, big difference
Actually that's a good point for Germany since the flag and country name changes if you go HMS. For those of us who prefer the German Empire that is a major difference.
Doesn't matter much for other countries though.
Why should there be advantages for playing an absolute monarchy anyway? This is the Victorian era after all, how many great powers were absolute monarchies by the end of the period? Even Japan was closer to Prussian Constitutionalism than absolutism.
Being an AM should become a significant handicap by the end of the game for all civilised nations.
Being an AM should become a significant handicap by the end of the game for all civilised nations.
They were all absolute monarchies in 1936? (Yes I know, not technically the Victorian era, but that's the era covered in-game.)
No.
Russia - monarchy abolished in 1917; briefly democratic then proletarian dictatorship
Germany - monarchy abolished in 1918; earlier it would have been Prussian Constitutionalism, not AM
Austria - monarchy abolished in 1918; became democratic republic
Wikipedia states that the Russians were the last European country to move away from absolute monarchy with the Russian Constitution of 1906, eleven years before the revolutions, and 30 years before the end of the game.