About world conquest

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Well, looks like today I'm in a very curious mood.
This time my "wide range" question is:

Did any of the blood-thirsty power-seeker badboys around EVER succeed in a complete world conquest (and I mean really having EVERY damned province in the world in your color)?
Did anyone arrive "really" near to this objective?
And with which nation?

Same questions for the "easier" objective of conquering every European province.

 

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It seems that you are talking about the term World Colouration (owning every land province on the map) rather than the term World Conquest (being the last power left on the board). World Colouration AARs exist in the EU2 board – try Daniel A’s AAR with Castille for a flavour. I am not aware of any World Colouration AARs in the EU1 board. Maybe Carolus Rex knows some???

Apart from that most people seem more interested in World Conquest, and these people regard the last steps of World Colouration as rather tedious (which I can imagine that they are). I wouldn't know though, I have not even been close to World Conquest, even less close to World Colouration!

 

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I havent done it (so why do I post !? ) but I have been close to a couple of time. The key seems to be interested enough of the game to play long enough so that you may colonise the last provinces and annex the last nations. When you have reached a certain point it gets somewhat boring to continue to play... I have although read an AAR about an full conquest, check the AAR section. It should be there

 

[saskganesh]

spain, russia, france your best options for world conquest and colouration if you set your mind at it. it is possible, though kind've masochistic, as there are funner scenarios to play. worth doing once.

 

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I once saw a picture of Russia concuring the whole world. It was awsome. There's probably a link somewhere in the forum for that. It was maybe a half a year ago, though. That's why I decided to try Austria to do that. But as Yoghurt said, it gets boring after a while.

 

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Well, maybe I've got the right perverted/masochistic streak to try for it.
In Civ2 I LIKED the long last time period when, after conquering all of the world except for one city, I delayed the starship launch to have time to build everything possible in each of my cities! So the micromanaging boredom that afflicts the world conquerors should not be a problem.

Anyway, I'm trying at this (world coloration) right now with Spain, at normal/normal difficulty level.
By now I'm in 1650 with tech levels 30/27/10/9, 12.000+ gold per year, 6500+ VP, 0% inflation, controlling Italy, North and East Africa, Southern France, Great Britain (annexed), India, half of the Balkans, Eastern half of Northern Asia, most of Americas.
But I'll have to be more aggressive, because there are stil many many provinces to take. Turkey, P-L and Russia are still large and strong, and I'll have time only for about 15-25 more full BB wars to expand (and wars MUST be quick to avoid revolts ).

I think Spain has a good advantage in trying this, because of the CB against heatens (so, of course, DoW w/o stability loss and immediate following BB DoW from the "real" objectives). Otherwise if stability is lower than +3 in such a large empire revolts simply make the player nuts.
Well, sorry if I bored you with a too long post

 

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Originally posted by sherlock
Well, sorry if I bored you with a too long post

No sweat! And do tell us about how your little experiment falls out. Why don't you make an AAR about it?

 

[saskganesh]

as i said, worth trying once. organising things like amphibious invasion of japan and the conquest of china are interesting, ambitious projects. third world conquest is a good thing to get involved with as there are no rebel scum and the COTs and commodities are insanely rich. they will pay for faster conquests over your remaining enemies. good luck and enjoy the russian winter.

 

[Lord E]

Originally posted by saskganesh
as i said, worth trying once. organising things like amphibious invasion of china and the conquest of china are interesting, ambitious projects. third world conquest is a good thing to get involved with as there are no rebel scum and the COTs and commodities are insanely rich. they will pay for faster conquests over your remaining enemies. good luck and enjoy the russian winter.

Yeah, world couquest can be fun. If you are lucky

 

[Matija]

Nope haven't done that yet. My biggest succes was when i conquered 2/3 of Europe...though pretty far from world conquest it still manages to rise your ego

 

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Perrygreat: it would be nice the idea of an AAR but right now I'm too busy playing to have time to take notes

Lord E: it needs luck for sure, because I shamelessly admit that by now the -3 stability event hasn't come out, but should it appear I'm afraid I'd reload! With 400+ provinces I really couldn't manage 30 revolts per month!

saskganesh: russian winter will be probably the last serious obstacle


This is not really an AAR, so I continue the thread on on this forum, unless someone tells me this is not a good place:

From 1650 there were about 6 more BB wars, with usual pattern (I declare war to some heaten nation and await the DoWs from anyone else), leading to (if I correctly remember the order):

1) annession of Austria and Southern Germany minors, eroding Turkey and France.
2) annession of Hedjaz, Wallachia, Transylvania and Persia, eroding Turkey, France, P-L and Sweden.
3) annession of Northern Germany minors.
4) annession of Holland, eroding P-L.
5) annession of France and Norway.
6) annession of Portugal, P-L, Rhodes Knights, Sweden.

Now is 1709 and world conquest seems near. The only nations remaining are Russia, Prussia, Turkey, China, Japan, Ayuttawa (?), Georgia, Oban, Uzbeks, Korea.
So Russian winter is really the last serious obstacle.
About world coloration: there are only 34 uncoloured provinces around (mostly in Canada and Australia) so I hope my 2 colonists per year should be enough for them in 83 years remaining.
Tech levels are 46/35/10/10. Income is 23000+ per year, VP are 11000+, 0% inflation.


The interesting side notes (IMHO) are:

Annession of colonial powers is maybe what requires more attention, because first there is a check to see where I could find resistance in their colonies, and then must be managed at the same time the main European war and the half a dozen of expeditions that go to take control of extraeuropean possessions.

I was thinking about a couple of diplo-annessions, but had a check to my monarchs diplo-ratings and gave up. No hope for something peaceful!

The IA is smarter than I thought! In 3rd and 4th war I was awaiting for the Dow from France to go at last for their annession, but DoW didn't come at all.
Then I realized that having 500/600K of my armies ready around their borders probably made them think twice about a war!
So I had to "pretend" disarm by sending that armies to be eroded by German revolts, without replacing them.
W/O that menace, in the 5th war at last DoW from France came and some fresh new armies conquered glory by endng the reign of Louis XIV )

But ... German cities never stop revolting??? France is much more quiet even if it's a more recent annession?

Is it because most of them were capital cities?

I was afraid Rhodes Knights would never declare war and to lose world conquest because of them (I MUST NOT lose stability declaring war on christians). When at last they made a DoW conquering them was much harder than I

thought! Apart form their higly unlikely TP in Guinea, their damned rocky island had a mighty fortress and it took 2 naval expeditions with 80k man and 500 cannons to take it!!

Well, too long again I'm afraid! Sorry!!

 

[saskganesh]

cool. your on your way and wc should be manageable with the right planning and the patience. but dont you just get tired of the revolts?

 

[Carolus Rex]

Did it once. Not that much fun, not like there was a gigantical final battle/showdown between good and evil where the wellbeing of empire was at stake.

 

[saskganesh]

ya thats it, it is anticlimatic for when you finish, the only one clapping their hands and cheering is yourself.

its lonely at the top.

 

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Well, I'm trying this for a sort of anti-addiction catharsis experience.
After (hopefully) successful world colouration "maybe" I'll find enough inner strenght to fight against the compulsion that forces my hand to click on the EU icon as soon as my PC is on.
Otherwise the pile of cd-rom and dvd awaiting for some CPU's time risks increasing even more!

 

[saskganesh]

world conquest and coloration as therapy? i completely understand..somebody else (ie those who don't play) might not.

 

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You see saskganesh, the idea is that I must touch the bottom to be able to re-emerge!

Just for completing this "semi-AAR", here is what followed:
1709-18: peace (quenching revolts)
1719-23: DoW to Oman (quickly annexed).
DoW from Turkey: annexed (long and difficult: lost of colonies in Africa and Indian Ocean Islands, and fortified islands in Med. sea).
DoWs from Prussia (annexed) and Uzbeks (eroded only, because they have 1 prov. in the middle of Russia, that sadly didn't declare war! I've made again the same error as with France. I had too many armies ready around Russia borders!).
1724-28: peace (quenching revolts)
1729-30: I put the unused armies near Russia on fleets a go for Japan. DoW and quick annession. No Dows form the others.
1731-36: The last war! Since armies in Japan are still strong and Japanese people seem happy to enroll to attack their ancient enemies, I leave 2 of my 3 large fleets in far east and make a DoW to Korea (allied to China and Thay, who enter the war). This time in the west too all the remaining nations (Russia, Georgia and Uzbeks) declare war.
I decide to go to the end this time, even is war becomes long and rebellions will be many near the end.
Korea is annexed almost immediately. China armies are beaten. One of the east fleets returns west to help send newly recruited armies from Spain to Black sea (the other western fleet is already busy in the Navarra-Baltic sea route). The third fleet remains east in an endless Japan-China route to take new jap. infantry to help my 1000 cannons in taking China provinces one after the other.
In the west Georgia and Uzbeks are immediately annexed, and the cavalry amry that has been ready for this moment for 100 years in my siberian towns takes in a wild ride all of the russian siberia.
After the fall and annession of China and Russia, in May 6th 1736 Thay kingdom surrenders and world conquest is completed )) ...
temporarily!
In march 1737 Helvetia revolts and declares a VERY brief independence. While my armies slaughter the rebels, they laugh, yelling: "Ah, ah! WE were the last independent nation to fall !!!"
In 1742 world coloration completed too, with a last TP in some forgotten island in the Pacific ocean!

Right now (1758) most of my armies have been dissolved, except for 6-7 that, after 20 years from annession, take care of the last sporadic rebellions in Russia.
My now useless merchants and diplomats have been "restructured" as managers and public relations experts and are busy trying to build manifactures in almost all of the world cities.
Income is 43.000+ per year, VP are 15.000+.
It was a nice campaign! ))

Now for sake of perfectionism I'll go on at fast pace to 1792 (I only have to build manifactures) to see final VP.
If anyone is interested (and if I learn how to post attachments) I can post 2 screenshots to share with you the view of a fully yellow world.

My blood&power thirst is (temporarily) satisfied and I can try next game with a small nation, playing in a more relaxed & less addicted way, and maybe trying to take some notes for a real AAR.
But the beauty of the recent "novelized" AARs I see on the AAR forum (I particularly like those of saskganesh and CitizenPaul) makes me fearful about trying something similar! I'll have to find a good idea.
Maybe ... anyone has already used in past AARs Isaac Asimov's psychohistory as inspiration? Sorry to ask instead of searching but I have no time to read all of the AARs.

 

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Congratulations to your World Coloration Sherlock!

It seems that you enjoyed it (you bloodthirsty beast )! I am all for screenshots so please post.

It would also be nice to read an psychohistoric AAR for a small country. I enjoyed those books immensly, and I haven’t read any AAR based on those before.

 

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Congrads Sherlock!!!

Amazing. Screenies would be nice

 

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Well, if I've well understood to put screenshots I must put a link to pics in my web-site.
Unfortunately my web-site at the University is not really the most opportune place to put EU screenies on! I "should" look like a serious person!
Can I ask for the kind assistance of some good soul with some spare Kbytes on his web-site?