About the new ethics mechanics in 1.5
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I'm going to bet they'll increase empire ethos attraction and/or decrease other ethos attractions.
So let's say we have +50 ethos attraction, we would have about 50% of the pops with the empire ethos after a few decades, would be possible to have a totally homogeneous empire?
The way i'm hoping it's gonna work is each ethos has a value, and the %ages show the ratio of that ethics attraction value as a part of the sum of all the values, for for example if Ethic A has a value of 4 and ethic B has a value of 1, that's the same as if A had 8 and B had 2, which is 80%, 20%. Increasing any ethic promotes it, but even with really major promotion it wouldn't be feasible to have a purely homogeneous population (you'd need to keep all off-ethics at a %age lower than the value of one pop).
Don't know if that's how they're doing it though.
Don't know if that's how they're doing it though.
I imagine that the empire will have the Pops ethos equal their attraction percentage, however I think: It will be possible to have 100% ethics attraction to the empire ethos?
I mean, maybe? +100% empire ethics attraction probably won't make everyone go to your ethics, but it would double the attraction of your empire ethics, giving you a much less fragmented empire than you otherwise would have.
Unless you only choose a singular ethos, that might be impossible to pull off. There would always be that proportional pull towards your other ethos. Leaving at least one other faction to deal with.
I wonder that because Wiz said in the dev diary:
Also this Screenshoot doesn't show the entire attraction window:
So I wonder, if having 100% global ethics attraction (same as your empire) would be possible, and if yes: it would mean that the other ethics would have their attraction reduced?
It just depends on how the math works out. If it's set so that it decides how attractive an ethic is (say each of your empire ethics are 16.6667% attractive) and then adds in the multiplier from ethics attraction, +100% empire ethics attraction would get you an empire where every Pop had one of your three ethics.
Of course it probably doesn't do that, since each Pop will have different attraction and the numbers on that screen are just displays of the average attraction. I'm assuming that what happens is a Pop has say 50 attraction to Authoritarian because you're an Authoritarian empire, +10 for having five slaves on the planet, +10 for having an Authoritarian government, and +20 for having the Domination traditions. Assuming the only other ethic choice was, say, Militarist which had +20 attraction for you being at war and +10 attraction for there being a military academy on the planet, you'd be looking at 90 attraction for Authoritarian and 30 attraction for Militarist meaning 75% of your Pops would be Authoritarian; if you added +100% attraction for empire ethics, assuming it multiplied the whole thing you'd end up with 180 vs 30 meaning almost 86% of your Pops would be Authoritarian.
Choose a fanatic ethic (authoritarian maybe) and forego the third ethic point to maximise your empire ethic weighting. Then suppress or promote factions as relevant to compound the effect. Make sure to build structures that reinforce the trend and avoid those for other ethics.
I wonder how the math will be done and how fanactic ethos will behave in the calculation.
Well I mean what I'm saying is that I don't think that they'll add something which gives a flat increase to the %age ethos attraction of empire ethics. They might add something which doubles it, but I don't think double attraction means double the attraction %age, it's be more like if you had (say) 2 ethics, A and B, with initial ratios 1:1, i.e. 50% A and 50% B, getting a bonus giving +100% empire ethics attraction would (I expect) take your A ethic'd empire to 2:1; i.e. 66% A, 33% B.
That said, I've seen some questionable stuff by paradox in the past when it comes to making %age bonuses additive (leading to things like combining-5%s and -10%s to get a total -90% development cost and other weirdness which usually means that strong bonuses get nerfed) when they should really be multiplicative, so I certainly don't know for sure.
That said, I've seen some questionable stuff by paradox in the past when it comes to making %age bonuses additive (leading to things like combining-5%s and -10%s to get a total -90% development cost and other weirdness which usually means that strong bonuses get nerfed) when they should really be multiplicative, so I certainly don't know for sure.
I'd HIGHLY doubt that these would be absolute values (+50 empire ethics attraction = 50% more attraction to the empire ethics), instead being relative to the total modifiers.
EG: say you have a Egalitarian, Militarist, Spiritual empire. Let's say you start off, not including bbase boni, with 33.3... ethos attraction to each of those. Over time you build up some more modifiers: say, +10 to Xenophile, +5 to each non-empire-ethos, +15 for each empire ethos, +10 to Spiritualist and +10 to Pacifist.
Now the attraction totals are 48.3 Egal, 5 Auth, 48.3 Mil, 15 Pac, 58.3 Spir, 5 Mat, 15 Xeno+, 5 Xeno-.
Those add to 200, so we factor that in to get the final %s: 24.15% Egal, 2.5% Auth, 24.15% Mil, 7.5% Pac, 29.15% Spir, 2.5% Mat, 7.5% Xeno+, 2.5% Xeno-
You start off with that, so it's clearly technically possible. It's almost certainly NOT going to be as simple as getting "empire ethos attraction" to 100, though - rather, stacking those boni while trying to reduce sources of attraction to other ethos.
Or they could have flipped the equation and rather than reducing development cost you could increase development efficiency. At low numbers they're almost the same (+15% development efficiency would equal -14.1% development cost), while stopping stacking from being super-sensible (+90% development efficiency would only equal -47.4% development cost).
Btw: The calculation will probably be something complex since we'll have empire attraction and attraction from each kind of ethics, we know that because Spiritualist have these bonus as we can see in this thread: