About (Ninja?) Join HRE Changes

[lambda x.x]

Here is something that I believe hasn't got much attention.

Since 1.31.0 (and on 1.31.1), you can only click the join HRE button if your capital is bordering the HRE. This for example means that Provence cannot click the join HRE button if its capital is in Aix -- it has to move it to one of two provinces bordering Savoy/Saluzzo since it has to directly border the HRE.

You're France who got elected emperorship? Well you have to first move your capital next to HRE if you want to join HRE. Poland with capital in Warsaw? Same deal.

My guess is that they did this change to fix the fast revoke strategies that we designed on 1.30.X, and I have no issues against fixing "exploits" or "clever strategies" that clearly weren't intended. However, I don't think fixing a strategy that players have to go out of their way to do and won't affect normal gameplay with a huge hammer that affects normal gameplay is really the right thing to do.

 

[HeyIAmInfinity]

Yeah requiring capital to border hre is one of the worse decision I’ve ever seen to fix something that was only used by a few players.

Always doing the fast fix instead of the well thought out one, right PDS?

 

[elessar9]

This is almost certainly not intended. We know they did "something" with how HRE joining works, given a cryptic line in the 1.30.0 patchnotes. Probably something unintentionally broke.

 

[mras0]

This is almost certainly not intended. We know they did "something" with how HRE joining works, given a cryptic line in the 1.30.0 patchnotes. Probably something unintentionally broke.

Considering how many things are broken in 1.31.X, I think this the most likely explanation.

Also I'm sure you can find a way around it lambda

 

[mras0]

The 1.30.2 changelog had the following note:

- Fixed issue where nations with capitals that can get a path to the HRE couldn't join the HRE.

Did some quick testing and TEU can join at the start (with enough relations) . For PRO the "Join HRE" button becomes available, but clicking it doesn't result in joining the Empire just the connected provinces being added. Same with France, if they're elected emperor they can join (because their capital is connected), but if you remove the connection they can click the button, but you don't join the empire. Don't quite know what's up yet.

 

[HeyIAmInfinity]

The 1.30.2 changelog had the following note:



Did some quick testing and TEU can join at the start (with enough relations) . For PRO the "Join HRE" button becomes available, but clicking it doesn't result in joining the Empire just the connected provinces being added. Same with France, if they're elected emperor they can join (because their capital is connected), but if you remove the connection they can click the button, but you don't join the empire. Don't quite know what's up yet.

From your explanation looks like it’s reverted to 1.30, can you click join a second time to add the capital or not?

 

[mras0]

From your explanation looks like it’s reverted to 1.30, can you click join a second time to add the capital or not?

You can't click it again, it just says "your capital has to be connected". I've attached two save games that should show what I mean. In the connected one things work as expected, but in the "no connection" one you can click join but you don't actually join.

EDIT: Just check, you're right, that's 1.30.6 behavior.