About Industrial score

[nicomagno]

Well, i'm kinda new to victoria 2, i'm playing as Argentina, and i'm the 6th world power, i'm always ranked 1st in prestige, but i'm always behind 5th in Industrial score, i get +30k people per month, my literacy is 96%, i have a population of 3% bureaucrats and clergymen in every state, i have a lot of unemployed craftmen but i have a liberal government, anyways. I want to know why i can never surpass countries like Germany(prussia, german empire, etc), France, Austrian Empire, and Britain, in industrial score, why is this happening?. If you need more details of my savegame just let me know.

PS: I'm encouraging capitalists in all my states.

 

[Joseph K]

1. what is your total population relative to theirs
2. what is your access to industrial resources - coal, iron and rubber if late game rubber

 

[Kovax]

As Joseph K points out, total population makes a big difference. If that larger population is working in a larger number of upgraded factories than what you have, then they're going to have a higher industrial score. Coal is a problem for Argentina, but as long as you can import enough of it, it shouldn't adversely affect your industrial score. Oil and rubber are needed for late-game industries, which provide a higher score per factory than the basic goods, so if you're building furniture and canned goods while they're producing automobiles and radios, they'll outscore you, even with the same number of workers.

Beyond some point, "git gud" doesn't cut it any more, you need to "git big" in order to compete with the handful of big boys.

At any rate, bringing a third-rate power into the lower ranks of the first-rate nations is already a "win". This isn't a World Conquest map painter game after all.

 

[Joseph K]

Population growth of 30k for Argie is good, but you'd need to average 30k growth for the entire game just to match the populations' of France or Austria in 1836. Unless you go on a conquering spree to take more land (which needs to be cores to build factories anyway) you will never be able to match countries with high populations and lots of states. Its why a Westernised China in the hands of a decent player is gg - it can shift a million people into factories a year, and that's before we talk about the fact they have every resource either in their boarders, or in easily conquered neighbouring states.

 

[Amtep]

If you're really serious about it, you have to occupy the industrial centers of the other great powers and sit on them until they collapse. Occupation will drive all their workers out of the factories. War is the continuation of industrial score by other means.

 

[Guedes]

Oil and rubber are needed for late-game industries, which provide a higher score per factory than the basic goods,

Thats incorrect. As far as i know Industrial score is solely based on number of employed craftsman, what they are producing doesnt matter whatsoever.


As to the OP; your question is already mostly answered. I will just add that if you want to be #1 industry (or at least near it) playing as an american nation you will need a crap ton of immigrants, meaning you will need to receive immigration throughout the whole game, and to do that you will need to pass all reforms ASAP.

Just to give you a notion, USA receives immigration all the game period and even so it doesnt surpass an unified germany in industrial score at the endgame sometimes.

 

[Vohen]

If you're really serious about it, you have to occupy the industrial centers of the other great powers and sit on them until they collapse. Occupation will drive all their workers out of the factories. War is the continuation of industrial score by other means.

That's a thing, but only for the short term.
Just occupying them will close their factories, but in the long run they'll reopen them and be pretty much at the same place as before the war.
This stalls growth, but doesn't actually contract their economy very much.
To actually collapse their economy, you'll most likely want to put them on a death spiral of civil wars, and war exhaustion is very much your friend there.

 

[Kovax]

Granted, it's possible to sit on them until thousands of unemployed workers have migrated elsewhere, and it will take a couple of years to replace those pops, but it's not a crippling event if it happens ONCE. I had one GER campaign where I occupied all of continental France for 6+ months (and most of the northern half for well over a year) in each of 3 separate wars, and they still managed to come back to #3 spot within 3-4 years, with a bigger army in the second war than the first, and nearly as large in the third. That seemed to run them fairly dry of troops, however, and there was no 4th war.

Some countries are susceptible to civil wars, others seem rather resilient. Austria and the Ottomans can be broken, and may stay broken. The UK or France, not so much.

 

[nicomagno]

Well, tbh i didn't expect replies in this thread as i thought this was a dead forum. I ended the game with Buenos Aires with 700k of industrial score (North west England ended with 500k). After all having that high literacy (and then business and tycoon capitalism) helped me to research all the techs before all the biggest world powers(America, Uk, France, Germany) which gave me a big advantage upon them

 

[RELee]

Well, tbh i didn't expect replies in this thread as i thought this was a dead forum. I ended the game with Buenos Aires with 700k of industrial score (North west England ended with 500k). After all having that high literacy (and then business and tycoon capitalism) helped me to research all the techs before all the biggest world powers(America, Uk, France, Germany) which gave me a big advantage upon them

I understand, but I don't think we are going to see this forum die for quite some time. It gets slow, but that always come from age.