About AE in 1.13.

[happymix91]

With 1.13, there is new AE modifier, Attacker Development, which is applied to base AE by +0.1*(total attacker dev)%.

I think that it is very good change, because AIs are reluctant to form a coalition against great power.

However, I felt that AE at 1.13 is more than expected. Some of you may feel it like me.



In my opinion, the reason why we feel like that is bugfixing of a modifier which applied with base distance.

The further from the target(like annexed provinces), the less AE is produced from the action, and this has been applied rightly. However, there was another modifier, the closer to the target, the more AE is produced from the action(maximum 75%).

But this AE increase per closeness modifier wasn't applied to the game, and I think that with the add of AE increase per dev, closeness modifier was fixed to be rightly applied.



If this case isn't right, other possibility is that AE increase is applied to total calculated AE, not base AE showed at peace treaty. But I think that it isn't plausible, considering an aspect of consistency with other AE modifiers like same religion or same culture group.

 

[Gaizokubanou]

I like how fast AE grows now, but I wish it burns off WAY faster so that it's more dynamic than just building up eventual lifetime nemesis that you have to completely kill off.

That and current overpowered HRE minors is also screwing with perception of the impact of AE... like, it's kinda weird when I don't care about Spain and France joining the coalition but watching 10 HRE minors joining coalitiion giving me some pause is pretty weird.

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

Whats wrong with 10 HRE minors joining a coalition? They will get round to fixing AE a bit when they get the hotfix for the patch, well by the time it gets to full release.

 

[Gaizokubanou]

Whats wrong with 10 HRE minors joining a coalition? They will get round to fixing AE a bit when they get the hotfix for the patch, well by the time it gets to full release.

Nothing weird about them joining in, it's weird that I am more worried about half of HRE princes over unified Spain and France combined.

 

[Wizzington]

The multiplier from size is applied on the whole calculated AE, so it's not the case of it cancelling out distance modifiers.

 

[lolada]

Whats wrong with 10 HRE minors joining a coalition? They will get round to fixing AE a bit when they get the hotfix for the patch, well by the time it gets to full release.

Minors are real trouble, each OPM has 10ish units, 5 of them + one bigger guy that enter coalition is quite enough to kill larger countries around. Thats easily 60-70 stack with high tech, good generals and they replenish their units fast.

 

[happymix91]

The multiplier from size is applied on the whole calculated AE, so it's not the case of it cancelling out distance modifiers.

Thanks for replying to fix the wrong assume!

But then would you mind if I ask what does 0.75 of base distance mean and whether there is plan to adjust AE(more than fixing cap from 100% to 50%) or not?

 

[ringhloth]

AE is still pretty low. HRE still blobs like crazy. It's usually down to 30 princes by 1520 usually.

 

[beckermt]

AE is still pretty low. HRE still blobs like crazy. It's usually down to 30 princes by 1520 usually.

That may be a feature. In that it actually requires an active Emperor to keep the HRE going. Historically it felt apart, so that part makes sense.

 

[ringhloth]

That may be a feature. In that it actually requires an active Emperor to keep the HRE going. Historically it felt apart, so that part makes sense.

Historically? Not at all. The borders of the HRE looked roughly the same in 1600 as they did in 1444. AFAIK, the vast number of changes that were made were mostly too small to be represented in EU4, a good part of the those that remained were mostly peaceful acquisitions (mostly PU inheriting shenanigans), and only a handful of anomalies existed where one power attacked and annexed another. Now, I don't think that EU4 should represent this, but for half of the HRE going the way of the dodo in 1500? AE clearly isn't too high, and probably is too low. The biggest change I would make is adding a penalty to fabrication times for HRE members (both inside and outside of the HRE - it shouldn't be a free ride).

 

[lolada]

AE is still pretty low. HRE still blobs like crazy. It's usually down to 30 princes by 1520 usually.

They could code Emperor AI to play more as a cop as players do. Emperor usually get stuck up fighting outside forces like France, Ottomans or Poland while HRE is killing itself from inside.

 

[happymix91]

Historically? Not at all. The borders of the HRE looked roughly the same in 1600 as they did in 1444. AFAIK, the vast number of changes that were made were mostly too small to be represented in EU4, a good part of the those that remained were mostly peaceful acquisitions (mostly PU inheriting shenanigans), and only a handful of anomalies existed where one power attacked and annexed another. Now, I don't think that EU4 should represent this, but for half of the HRE going the way of the dodo in 1500? AE clearly isn't too high, and probably is too low. The biggest change I would make is adding a penalty to fabrication times for HRE members (both inside and outside of the HRE - it shouldn't be a free ride).

Increased AE for fabicate claim and unjustified demand will make the game more historical and realistic. How can a prince under Emperor take land of other's who has just right at that land?

But Developers should consider sales of the game.. And too realistic system may not be fun to many players. It is good to mod the game as we want(maybe ironman with mod will be enabled at next dlc, so modding will be much greater).

 

[hashinshin]

They could code Emperor AI to play more as a cop as players do. Emperor usually get stuck up fighting outside forces like France, Ottomans or Poland while HRE is killing itself from inside.

It actually follows the typical pitfall that players land in to.

1. Declare war to split up provinces.

2. Siege down princes. Lose a ton of manpower.

3. OUTSIDE WAR.

Repeat 1-3 until step 1 and 2 drain the emperor's manpower and he loses. I've seen this happen to every AI emperor that actually tries to play police. They DO try, they're just not very good at it and fall in to the trap that many new players do that it's not worth a full scale war to split up a couple bar fights.

 

[happymix91]

They could code Emperor AI to play more as a cop as players do. Emperor usually get stuck up fighting outside forces like France, Ottomans or Poland while HRE is killing itself from inside.

They should give much more penalty from lost of princes to Emperor, more duty to princes, and more benefit to Emperor befor they make Emperor be a cop.

Otherwise Emperor will sink with princes.

 

[ringhloth]

They could code Emperor AI to play more as a cop as players do. Emperor usually get stuck up fighting outside forces like France, Ottomans or Poland while HRE is killing itself from inside.

That's probably worse. The emperor declaring war on a prince every 5 years to get them to release provinces is silly.

 

[lolada]

That's probably worse. The emperor declaring war on a prince every 5 years to get them to release provinces is silly.

Players do it and it works well... only the player is smart enough not to end up in 15 year wars versus Ottomans when there's no benefit.

 

[ringhloth]

Players do it and it works well... only the player is smart enough not to end up in 15 year wars versus Ottomans when there's no benefit.

I disagree. It's silly when anyone does it.

 

[Paul31264]

Does anyone know what the exact calculations for AE are? The Wiki only lists the factors in calculating the base AE. And even the base AE changes a lot depending on whether you're negotiating with the warleader or a secondary country in the war.

 

[Daddl]

AE is too much in my opinion. AI can't handle it and gets destroyed by a coalition if taking a few provinces. You can usually experience that within the first 10 years of the game. I'm actually not too happy with this update vastly increasing coring costs and AE, generally making expanding more a pain than fun. If I wouldn't aim for some achievements, I would definetely mod it down to previous levels. Doubled and tripled costs don't quite suit what I understand as a fun game. Of course its just adaption in play style, but waiting for the points to tick up isn't exactly what I prefer. But seeing the almost half/half likes and dislikes under such posts, this seems to be more a case of personal preferences.

Of course blobbing and WC and all that is still possible, but as someone who never played past 1650, I just don't really know what to do in the time while truces, AE and lacking mana make expansion so much harder than before.

 

[lolada]

I disagree. It's silly when anyone does it.

Well, whatever works for you, with this playstyle maximizing AI per month i had my vassal swarm ready to kick before 1550s year this way in 1.12, could have gone on world conquest easily...