Abolish Diplo Annexing

[Judge]

I don’t think Johan will feel any pressure as he already has done more than you possibly can ask for and I am sure we all realize that.

However I am sure he appreciate that people here do take a great interest in the game and discuss it in a polite manner. It would be pretty boring if nobody cared. Maybe some of the suggestions that are mentioned here will be implemented in the game and then maybe not. We have to see about that I guess. No need to hurry though.

 

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Originally posted by Dagfinn
Who said anything about that

Now we are heading back to the history book argument again...

What some people in this thread wants and discuss in a civil way, is to tone it down/make it imensley difficult. Actualy, several people happen to agree that DA is to easy as is. Jeeze, we're more or less heretic, arent we

Which was my point. I think the present system of diploannexing is all right. Can't see any point in tampering with it.

 

[stnylan]

Originally posted by Dagfinn
I beg to differ.

Fair enough

-A powerfull united France by 1500, and a more or less united Germany before 1600 DOES NOt GIVE me a historical fell.

As a historical note a powerful unified France by 1500 is entirely historical. The failing there is that Spain is frequently not powerful enough, but that is another problem. Oh, and also because the game very poorly handles the personal unions such as Karl V - but again that it is a different issue.

I never said your way to play was wrong, I just want to have the OPPORTUNITY to play it my way.

Fair enough - but one can do a fair amount of historical tweaking as it stands. Any significant change would start preventing a great many other styles of play. Perhaps the situation is imperfect. Perhaps it is a compromise. Perhaps it also has to be.


Onslaught - isn't there a limit for relations without marry, but, ally? Like +125? I seem to recall for Catholic nations that is definately the case. So, IF irc then this idea would be unworkable.

 

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Originally posted by stnylan Onslaught - isn't there a limit for relations without marry, but, ally? Like +125? I seem to recall for Catholic nations that is definately the case. So, IF irc then this idea would be unworkable.

I think that you can get over that limit by being helpful in wars and stuff (I think relations increase when you make sure to cut them a province or two in peace deals with the enemy).

 

[stnylan]

Originally posted by Onslaught
I think that you can get over that limit by being helpful in wars and stuff (I think relations increase when you make sure to cut them a province or two in peace deals with the enemy).

Possibly - but relations don't keep at that level. If you have minimal BB and positive tolerance relations gravitate slowly to a certain level with various countries depending on their state religion - either down or up. Leastways that is what I have observed.

 

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If you take away diploannexing the game will get incredibly boring. Conquer, conquer, conquer... unless you're a straightjacketed bore who likes to play a thirty years war where he doesn't conquer anything and fights one battle per year, at most. With the game system being as it is, you can't make wars or diplomacy harder for a player without giving the AI a ridiculous cheat advantage.

For those people, there's always Dakota. Or the Congo.

 

[Castellon]

A friendly reminder to all in this thread.

This is a forum for FRIENDLY discussion. Personal attacks and Hostility will not be tolerated.

This is not addressed at any one person, as there are several posts that are starting to drift in that direction.

Let's get back on target.

 

[Dagfinn]

Originally posted by Karl Martell
If you take away diploannexing the game will get incredibly boring. Conquer, conquer, conquer... unless you're a straightjacketed bore who likes to play a thirty years war where he doesn't conquer anything and fights one battle per year, at most. With the game system being as it is, you can't make wars or diplomacy harder for a player without giving the AI a ridiculous cheat advantage.

For those people, there's always Dakota. Or the Congo.

Oh, I didnt see that one comming...

The other things I would like to say, would severley be in conflict with Castellons post.

So I will let the case rest.

 

[Judge]

Originally posted by Karl Martell
If you take away diploannexing the game will get incredibly boring. Conquer, conquer, conquer... unless you're a straightjacketed bore who likes to play a thirty years war where he doesn't conquer anything and fights one battle per year, at most.

Thats me

 

[Chengar Qordath]

I guess. My only concern was "unrealisitc" diplo-annexations such as the france annexing ireland AND scotland scenario that cropped up recently. For me that seemed silly.

Actually, France did almost diplo-annex Scotland historically. Queen Mary of Scotland was married to the king of France (I think it was Francois the 1st of 2nd...) If the king had not died in a jousting accident, Scotland would have become part of France.

I like the diplo-annex system in 1.06 (have not tried any betas...) The BB penalty for diplo-annexing is stiff enough to keep anyone from expanding too rapidly. I usually wait until my BB is gone before diplo-annexing another country, so I don't go too far overboard. In the end, it is all a playstyle issue.

As for crazy ahistorical things happening, I think that's part of the fun of the game! I actually have a folder full of crazy screenshots of events like the formation of Austria-Hungary-Poland-Lithuania.

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by Dagfinn
The other things I would like to say, would severley be in conflict with Castellons post.

So I will let the case rest.

Wise decision.

 

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One solution:

Make it so when the monarch of the vassal country dies, there is a pop-up that gives you the choice to attempt to diplo-annex them. No diplo-annexing otherwise.

Two problems, however: Would require more text (which is a no-no), and would be a problem with countries that have immortal monarchs.

 

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i have always felt the diplo-annexing is just about perfect.

ok, ok, historically, it is too easy, but make it any harder and you just give more people more reasons to run around and conquer and annex everything in sight (sorry, i always think in multiplayer terms) and then you have a Russia in 1550 that is the same size of 1800 Russia