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Calanctus said:
I think I understand your point - there really wouldn't be a basis (aside from city-states or rival kingdoms) for sub-states within real history.
My point was simply that there is no reason inherent to the construction of the game that we can't have a collection of one-province states, provided we had enough country tags. Not necessarily arguing with plans for the area... just the statement that it could not be broken up that small, because there's no reason we can't.
Can and shouldn't is probably closer to what you meant. And what I'm beginning to think, having remembered enough of my Chinese History classes in college to remember that there never were really any significant regional governments, etc. Some of the major cities (I can think of about half a dozen) might be viable as city-states similar to, say, Genoa or Venice or Novgorod in vanilla GC... particularly if one or two of them had COTs. But the inland regions only really make sense as one to three large - though possibly very desolate - kingdoms. (We could mess with populations or tax values.)
I voted for totally aberrated (without the fantasy stuff... 
). I think that Aberration is a great scenario, and I would love to see it expand from Europe to the ROTW.
And I really like Medicine Man's ideas
). I think that Aberration is a great scenario, and I would love to see it expand from Europe to the ROTW.And I really like Medicine Man's ideas
A clear run for Eu2.
Total Aberration or Fantasy. Keep in mind that you won´t have anything connected to even "normal" cultures in Fantasy.
Total Aberration or Fantasy. Keep in mind that you won´t have anything connected to even "normal" cultures in Fantasy.
TheArchduke said:
Well, make the poll in HoI/HoI2 forums and see what they answer there
You could also make a total fantasy scenario that has normal cultures but something very absurd, like a landbridge from Tago to Everglades or something, and then build a scenrio from what the world would look like if such a thing existed.
Nikolai II said:Well, make the poll in HoI/HoI2 forums and see what they answer there
Hmm, actually good idea.
Would be cool to have this for CK, then could advance to EU2 with that setting and play that with the totally abberated
I'd like to have a not too fantasy Aberration.
Persia and Islam-centered Aberration would be nice
Persia and Islam-centered Aberration would be nice
Something I've thought would be cool was a concept I somewhat lifted off the alternatehistory.com discussion board - the so-called "Mosaic Earth". The basic concept is that countries/regions/societies from various timelines being transported to an empty world where they come into contact with one another.
This could create some very interesting possibilities; say a splinter Mongol kingdom occupying portions of France from a world where the Mongol Empire stretches from Atlantic to Pacific oceans meeting a surviving centralized Kievan Rus, or European provinces of a strong Byzantine Empire where Manzikert never happened encountering surprised Ottomans who expected to find an underpowered, dying Empire of OTL. Throw in the surviving Western Roman Empire (or few provinces thereof), the Caliphate of Rome, the Christian Arabia where Mohammed converted to Christianity instead of founding Islam, thriving pagan Vikings, and whatnot, and it could be one interesting mix, considering all cultures could be relatively equal in terms of playability, starting power, difficulty, and with very little predetermined history.
Something like this could be perfect for MP, and even in SP if the nations start with no knowledge of anything beyond their borders (but do get frequent random conquistadors and explorers), it could make for a reasonable game of exploration and colonization, considering parts of the world could be intentionally left uninhabited.
Some nations could start with a stronger tech than the others, but that could be compensated for by a different tech tree/more difficult start position/less access to COTs and/or resources.
What do you think?
This could create some very interesting possibilities; say a splinter Mongol kingdom occupying portions of France from a world where the Mongol Empire stretches from Atlantic to Pacific oceans meeting a surviving centralized Kievan Rus, or European provinces of a strong Byzantine Empire where Manzikert never happened encountering surprised Ottomans who expected to find an underpowered, dying Empire of OTL. Throw in the surviving Western Roman Empire (or few provinces thereof), the Caliphate of Rome, the Christian Arabia where Mohammed converted to Christianity instead of founding Islam, thriving pagan Vikings, and whatnot, and it could be one interesting mix, considering all cultures could be relatively equal in terms of playability, starting power, difficulty, and with very little predetermined history.
Something like this could be perfect for MP, and even in SP if the nations start with no knowledge of anything beyond their borders (but do get frequent random conquistadors and explorers), it could make for a reasonable game of exploration and colonization, considering parts of the world could be intentionally left uninhabited.
Some nations could start with a stronger tech than the others, but that could be compensated for by a different tech tree/more difficult start position/less access to COTs and/or resources.
What do you think?
If this is something you would be willing to do I would be more than willing to help out with the country ideas, histories, territories and such... I am not very good at scenario editing or anything like that, but can come up with quite a few ideas for events, country histories, leaders, Points of Divergence, and whatnot.
BTW, great job on the Aberration project. I've been playing most of the previous versions and the current one (mostly as Byzantium), and it has been quite a bit of fun restoring the Eastern Empire to its former greatness... still did not get to the more turbulent XVIIth century, but that would be coming up pretty soon
BTW, great job on the Aberration project. I've been playing most of the previous versions and the current one (mostly as Byzantium), and it has been quite a bit of fun restoring the Eastern Empire to its former greatness... still did not get to the more turbulent XVIIth century, but that would be coming up pretty soon
TheArchduke said:
Reminds me of the 'Lost Regiment' series of novels although that also had a primitive alien race on the planet as well...still a goodish series though, buckets of blood, evil aliens, crazed inventions and an unforgettable scene where a bad guy makes a human move about by poking certain parts of his brain..
although that also had a primitive alien race on the planet as well...still a goodish series though, buckets of blood, evil aliens, crazed inventions and an unforgettable scene where a bad guy makes a human move about by poking certain parts of his brain..
You will choose Totally Aberrated for EU2... These are not the droids you're looking for... *waves fingers*TheArchduke said:Many ideas, but I will have to make a decision finally.
we'll see how strong your mind is after the 10th drink tomorrowTheArchduke said:Must...... Resist.....
(Someone thinks I am one of the weak-minded ones.
Byakhiam said:Fantasy has most votes...
I change my vote to Totally Aberrated - I don't really wnat it to be too fantasy. I just want it slightly "looser".