Aberrated Mameluks

[Nikolai II]

Yeah.

Anyway, our 1450 explorer is too good. At least for me.

Uncovered most of India, Indonesia, Indian Ocean and South Africa.

So, we prolly need to shorten his life.

Change him to a Conqui too - Ireland should keep it's monopoly on explorers?

 

[TheArchduke]

Well, depends on Kaigon, I don´t mind an early explorer, but he is too long. Even an unexperienced player could uncover much, much land.

Or maybe I am playing too hardcore, who knows..

 

[artemis667]

Well, depends on Kaigon, I don´t mind an early explorer, but he is too long. Even an unexperienced player could uncover much, much land.

Or maybe I am playing too hardcore, who knows..

Well, maybe scale the explorer back down to three or four years lifetime...

As for the CBs, I reckon you could give Mamelukes/Egypt a core shield on Sinai.

 

[TheArchduke]

Already there.

 

[Kaigon]

Well, depends on Kaigon, I don´t mind an early explorer, but he is too long. Even an unexperienced player could uncover much, much land.

Or maybe I am playing too hardcore, who knows..

Does the exploration end in that you hoard in cash or make you insaneously rich? If not, then there's no problem, you can discover whatever you want, you'll still have crappy colonisation chance and aggressive nations.
If you really insist that this is a problem, lower his maneuver (as explorer only) to 3 or 2.

 

[TheArchduke]

Hmm, that´s a point, but imagine a human played Caliphate sponsoring Mamelucks for colonization together.

I know I am MP spoiled. But I can remember, muscovian conquistadors exploring Canada for Denmark..

 

[Kaigon]

Hmm, that´s a point, but imagine a human played Caliphate sponsoring Mamelucks for colonization together.

I know I am MP spoiled. But I can remember, muscovian conquistadors exploring Canada for Denmark..

Ok, then we can change this IF it becomes a MP problem.
Agreed?

 

[TheArchduke]

Lol, yeah.

 

[Kaigon]

Lol, yeah.

Good. And I'm looking forward for further comments

 

[ZhugeKongming]

What usually happens in my games is Granada and the Kaliphate end up dividing Egypt between them during the civil war. The Kaliphate diploannexes Egypt, and Granada does the same for Mamelukes, so they have a nice little border along the Nile.

 

[TheArchduke]

Doing playtests with both Granada and Mamelucks.

Granada are typical first tier.

Conquer, inf 3, 3 refineries and one arts academy and full conversion by 1480, piece of cake.

Mamelucks seems thrilling for a long time, good job.

 

[artemis667]

Doing playtests with both Granada and Mamelucks.

Granada are typical first tier.

Conquer, inf 3, 3 refineries and one arts academy and full conversion by 1480, piece of cake.

Mamelucks seems thrilling for a long time, good job.

Off thread topic, sorry, but maybe Granada should be orthodox tech, not latin? (For balance purposes)... with the status quo, I see them being very dominant in MP.

 

[TheArchduke]

They should be. After all they are the only real dominant muslim power with the Kaliphate far off.

 

[Medicine Man]

Kaigon:

I wonder if I could convince you to put in another Mameluk/Egypt event somewhere down the road? (or let me put it in) In most games, the Kaliphate grows fiercely powerful, diplo-annexing everything in sight. I was thinking that Egypt could make an excellent foil to the muslim super-monster.

Perhaps if (when) the Kaliphate diplos his way down to Mecca, and gets his shields by event, the Mamelukes could also get shields on the same area? I was actually thinking that negative relations, shields down to Mecca and shields on the Levant wouldn't be going to far, in fact.

What do you think?

 

[Kaigon]

The idea is good. Would the provinces of Lebanon, Syria, Samaria, Judea, Jordan and the Red Sea Coast down to Hadramut be reasonable?
When would it trigger? Preferably post Mameluks, (for Fatimids and Egypt I guess).
What would the trigger conditions be?
Post 1513, relations negative between the nations (or just below 50 or 100). Fatimids/Egypt isn't a vassal of the other.


Preferably, this could be put in the Caliphate event file, since I'm almost out of event IDs in the other one (unless this will be 1-2 events only).

 

[Medicine Man]

I was thinking, Caliphate event # 200801 has fired (Claims on Mekkah), post 1513 AD, event for Egypt only. I was thinking claims from Lebanon down to Mekkah, although if you think Hadramut is warranted, I say go with it.

My inclination is to not check relations between the two or vassalization. In fact, I would make Egypt cancel vassalization with Caliphate if this event fires. I'd much rather not see Egypt get diploed by the beast as well.

 

[Kaigon]

Another Caliphate event could be made, triggering whenever the Caliphate reaches a BB of 20, (could add more, like ARA doesn't exist and Mekkah is ruled by them), where the rule of the Caliph is questioned. This event is a trigger for the Egypt event (why only Egypt btw?) that gives the cores (there could be several options, one for the aggressor, and one for the more cautious).

 

[Medicine Man]

Another Caliphate event could be made, triggering whenever the Caliphate reaches a BB of 20, (could add more, like ARA doesn't exist and Mekkah is ruled by them), where the rule of the Caliph is questioned. This event is a trigger for the Egypt event (why only Egypt btw?) that gives the cores (there could be several options, one for the aggressor, and one for the more cautious).

That sounds like another good way of doing it, and I don't think it has to be restricted to Egypt if you don't want. I just assume from the leader files, events, etc. that the Fatmids are going to be dominant over the Mamelukes.

Do the Mameluks have leaders, btw?

 

[Kaigon]

That sounds like another good way of doing it, and I don't think it has to be restricted to Egypt if you don't want. I just assume from the leader files, events, etc. that the Fatmids are going to be dominant over the Mamelukes.

Do the Mameluks have leaders, btw?

6 leaders for the Mameluks
30 leaders for Egypt
23 leaders for Fatimids

And hopefully Mameluks will disappear in 1513 and only one of Egypt and Fatimids will be left by 1550.