You know, I was rather angling for option 2. It would cut down the time spent substantially. I don't think 1 is really strictly neccesary. Like I said, if we do have 2, then people can still PM suggestions.
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I don't really have a horse in this particular race, but I do have one thought 'around the edges'.
A month rather than 2 weeks, mostly because whatever system is eventually adopted (assuming one is) some of the AARs under consideration are rather large (Renss!
) and will take some time to read through. Also allows more flexibility for non-forum life etc. Two weeks is a little too rushed.
A month rather than 2 weeks, mostly because whatever system is eventually adopted (assuming one is) some of the AARs under consideration are rather large (Renss!
) and will take some time to read through. Also allows more flexibility for non-forum life etc. Two weeks is a little too rushed.
Well, if the 18-month restriction is adopted (and I certainly recommend that it should be), then no one will have to suffer through my 120 pages for another many months.stnylan said:some of the AARs under consideration are rather large (Renss!
Thank you for the thought, though!Rensslaer
btw, I should clarify that I mean completed or finished to the best of the writers ability. Obviously, many AAR's we would consider great were never truly completed, in the sense of them being completely wrapped up.
And I agree on the extension of the two weeks into around a month, btw. Thanks for all the feedback so far.
I like the suggestion 1(1). If the AAR is not concidered good enough by the people who where around and read it at the time it was written, can it then be considered a classic?
To give a fair vote you should of course have read, or re-read, the AAR. This is probably the hardest part in the entire thing. Something that makes it easier for people to get the thing read is sorley needed. One way might be to offer the AAR in PDF so it is just to print it out. Reading it on paper is easier.
Another thing is that we need a good group of voters. We who are here now are more or less the "nobles" of AAR-land. I think we do not represent the AARland proparly, and if someone who is not a member of the AAR-land in the way we are finds his way here they will not openly question our opinions and decitions. We need a better voting group. The thing to do here is to invite other people to this thread until we have a good representation of the voters. We choose people we find fitting and ask them to come here and contribute. To minimise the amount of people who do not bother to do so the one who invides them should be one they know and respects but still so that they really feel that it is an honour that they have been selected. For most stnylan would do the trick.
P.S. Don't get me wrong. I do not suggest that just some are allowed to vote. Just that we help some on the way here.
To give a fair vote you should of course have read, or re-read, the AAR. This is probably the hardest part in the entire thing. Something that makes it easier for people to get the thing read is sorley needed. One way might be to offer the AAR in PDF so it is just to print it out. Reading it on paper is easier.
Another thing is that we need a good group of voters. We who are here now are more or less the "nobles" of AAR-land. I think we do not represent the AARland proparly, and if someone who is not a member of the AAR-land in the way we are finds his way here they will not openly question our opinions and decitions. We need a better voting group. The thing to do here is to invite other people to this thread until we have a good representation of the voters. We choose people we find fitting and ask them to come here and contribute. To minimise the amount of people who do not bother to do so the one who invides them should be one they know and respects but still so that they really feel that it is an honour that they have been selected. For most stnylan would do the trick.
P.S. Don't get me wrong. I do not suggest that just some are allowed to vote. Just that we help some on the way here.
Well, it's to be hoped that more people vote than have posted here. Although it's generally the case that polls and the like attract more voters than general discussion threads do.
Just as a note, I am still following this discussion and mulling my thoughts. I was hoping to see a few more reactions, however, before coming to any personal conclusion (and I need to re-read some of the earlier discussion myself.)
Well, I'd suggest by this point that we move forward on the basis of 1 (2), which seems to be a fairly general preference based on the people that have responded so far. Unless people want more time, although, in fairness, the proposal has been up there for more than a fortnight and I'm going to have to move it on at some point.
I'm not entirely sure where we take this from here, though. A poll in which people can vote against the plan or not?
I'm not entirely sure where we take this from here, though. A poll in which people can vote against the plan or not?
Vincent Julien said:
Me too actually - maybe the other intiative was just a way to sidestep this entire thread...
They are two different things as far as I can tell. But I see no reason to rush forward with this without more feedback, especially as we did not want to rush forward before when discussing Ariel's AAR.
And there is where some problem may arise regardless of which plan is decided upon - how many people will actually participate and respond? The lack of response here does not bode well I am afraid.
However, things are rather slow around here right now so I suggest we keep the discussion open at least until the end of the month before trying to move forward in any way.
And there is where some problem may arise regardless of which plan is decided upon - how many people will actually participate and respond? The lack of response here does not bode well I am afraid.
However, things are rather slow around here right now so I suggest we keep the discussion open at least until the end of the month before trying to move forward in any way.
coz1 said:
Fair enough.
coz1 said:
This is a general problem which is independent of our discussions here. The main AAR board is always relatively poorly frequented outside of most of the older community members, and anything that involves any kind of participation will have to deal with this. If we don't believe that any enthusiasm can be mounted for this kind of thing then likely all such discussions are fairly pointless.
There is, of course, the problem here of this thread being rather old, relatively speaking, and the discussion being relatively advanced; this always deters new people from entering a thread.
coz1 said:
Sounds good.
Sign up various AAR-writers to advertise it in their threads. With hot links to very brief rules and then quick voting.Vincent Julien said:
These were the methods I thought I saw being neglected in the most recent AAR poll.
I agree with LM+, but first we need to get to the voting stage, which seems to be very sidetracked. Why don't we vote on which way we are going to do it. the problem seems to be that we're talking about doing things but not actually doing anything. I don't really know how to solve the problem but the fact we still don't have a voting method is pretty annoying. The main reason people aren't looking at this thread is because there is nothing concrete to do yet. Once people can vote on something, there will be more people visiting.
Now i am not one for bumping old threads but seeing as i am back and didnt get to see the way this turned out until recently i must say....lets get this complete!
In One of the stickied posts Coz1 has linked to this and yet anyone new to AARLand will see this thread is deserted- we dont recomend one AAR as being classic. As i said before i am willing to do the work so lets pull together and agree on a voting system and get this list going!
Dont we owe it to AAR land and the authors who have worked on wonderful works in our very own forum? What about the new users who understandably find AAR land quite daunting?
While i accept this was my idea i do think it is a good one and one that we can complete. Yes it wont be easy and Yes we may bicker but it can be done and it will not only let people read the true gems of this forum but also show to everyone the quality of work we have, can and continue to produce here. Im sure it would be an honour for some people to have their AAR recognized as a classic that a majority of voters have decided deserves to be achknowledged as one of the greats.
If we vote fairly then this will work, a hall of fame for AAR's.
Its why i have refused to delete the link from my signature.
So shall we give this a go or leave it empty?
In One of the stickied posts Coz1 has linked to this and yet anyone new to AARLand will see this thread is deserted- we dont recomend one AAR as being classic. As i said before i am willing to do the work so lets pull together and agree on a voting system and get this list going!
Dont we owe it to AAR land and the authors who have worked on wonderful works in our very own forum? What about the new users who understandably find AAR land quite daunting?
While i accept this was my idea i do think it is a good one and one that we can complete. Yes it wont be easy and Yes we may bicker but it can be done and it will not only let people read the true gems of this forum but also show to everyone the quality of work we have, can and continue to produce here. Im sure it would be an honour for some people to have their AAR recognized as a classic that a majority of voters have decided deserves to be achknowledged as one of the greats.
If we vote fairly then this will work, a hall of fame for AAR's.
Its why i have refused to delete the link from my signature.
So shall we give this a go or leave it empty?
No voting. Voting will lean towards whatever is hot right now instead of classics. Work to find a panel of experts - folks who have been around and active for ages, and who know AARs - and get them to decide.