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Great Powers being dragged into a local war in the colonies is OK for me as long as everyone involved has an interest in the strategic region. Problem is that possessing a tiny stretch of land (Belize in this case) gives Britain a free interest. Maybe getting an interest for free should only happen if someone has genrated sufficient infamy in the region or not at all.
 
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Great Powers being dragged into a local war in the colonies is OK for me as long as everyone involved has an interest in the strategic region. Problem is that possessing a tiny stretch of land (Belize in this case) gives Britain a free interest. Maybe getting an interest for free should only happen if someone has genrated sufficient infamy in the region or not at all.
Yeah, that's true - problem lies with their motivation i think. The thing is, they should have a real incentive to BEGIN being engaged. I don't buy Belize saying "hey GB, come help us, we will graciously give you half of Mexico if you defend us". If Belize says " Hey GB if you don't let Mexico annex us, we will become your protectorate" then its a whole different story. Great powers could start a war over a tiny territory, provided this tiny territory is ready to become their colony and not like tries to bribe them by offering something they don't have. It generally should be GPs manipulating tiny states, not opposite.
I think that should simply be an AI balancing thing. The GP correctly evaluating that if they wanted London they could have declared for it themselves and that having Zulu as an ally in that isn't worth enough to follow their schedule for it. Only if Germany actually has in interest to contain british expansion in South Africa they should be willing to accept that deal.

The AI should consider their own power compared to the petitioner in negotiations. A GP shouldn't be willing to gain an ally worth 1% of their military power and antagonize their equal in the process. Only if they explicitely declared the minor as their protectee before and the other GP is the aggressor.
I don't know much about what AI can and can't do here - if what you say is possible then yes, I think this would indeed solve the problem!
 
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When real life Centroamerica disbanded, Los Altos, currently west of Guatemala also became independent. It could be a state in game and balance Guatemala being so powerful maybe? I know it was short lived but still
Los Altos nation tag does exist in the leak, odd that it didn't break away too. It definitely should.
 
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Yeah, that's true - problem lies with their motivation i think. The thing is, they should have a real incentive to BEGIN being engaged. I don't buy Belize saying "hey GB, come help us, we will graciously give you half of Mexico if you defend us". If Belize says " Hey GB if you don't let Mexico annex us, we will become your protectorate" then its a whole different story. Great powers could start a war over a tiny territory, provided this tiny territory is ready to become their colony and not like tries to bribe them by offering something they don't have. It generally should be GPs manipulating tiny states, not opposite.

I don't know much about what AI can and can't do here - if what you say is possible then yes, I think this would indeed solve the problem!
Hard disagree. Belize is a bit special here, because it already is a British colony. Directly messing with the colony itself should absolutely drag the Empire into the conflict. A war between Guatemala and Nicaragua/costa Rica however should require spending on of your limited interests for the region. I guess the US did have one or they wouldn't have been able to interfere, so that one I'm OK with.
 
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Hard disagree. Belize is a bit special here, because it already is a British colony. Directly messing with the colony itself should absolutely drag the Empire into the conflict. A war between Guatemala and Nicaragua/costa Rica however should require spending on of your limited interests for the region. I guess the US did have one or they wouldn't have been able to interfere, so that one I'm OK with.
Ok, come on, make it not Belize and Mexico but Aussa and Tigray. As I said I don't know much at all about latin america and from the comment's content it's obvious i don't know that Belize is british colony bcz just as I state in the very comment - if that tiny nation offers to become colony for support, then a GP should join.
Comment is not about Belize but about tiny nations manipulating GPs by promicing what they don't have.
 
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don't know much about what AI can and can't do here - if what you say is possible then yes, I think this would indeed solve the problem!
The AI in such games is kinda relying on a list of desires and priorities. The devs just have to put the desire to accept a state that they could have declared for themselves pretty much at zero, and then evaluate how valuable the ally is in getting that wargoal instead.

It shouldn't compare "receiving London versus receiving a favor from Zulu is great" but rather "If I want London, how much is Zulu worth as an ally in that compared to doing it alone when I'm ready instead".

The entries in the priority list should correctly evaluate what you are actually getting. In this case you don't get London, you get a temporary ally (that is weak=worthless in this scenario). A permanent ally (become protectorate) would be possibly a more acceptable offer.
 
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Boo. It still exists... and it looks like it was expanded to have badges :(

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Apparently this was a bit to much bad boy and the USA intervened on the side of Costa Rica which was really interesting.

Who won that war?
 

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Hm something has definitelly changed with trade. With no fleet they are exporting lots of sugar. Somehow now you can have an increased export of a trade good without having to manually export it?

Im hyped to know more about the trade rework
 
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Hm something has definitelly changed with trade. With no fleet they are exporting lots of sugar. Somehow now you can have an increased export of a trade good without having to manually export it?

Im hyped to know more about the trade rework
He didn't have a navy, but that doesn't mean he didn't have ships for trade. We did learn a while ago that trade got a bunch of reworks so there is a lot of automatic fluctuations and automation.

Edit: also I think only the importer needs to use ships, but I'm not really sure on that one.
 
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When real life Centroamerica disbanded, Los Altos, currently west of Guatemala also became independent. It could be a state in game and balance Guatemala being so powerful maybe? I know it was short lived but still
The aim of Los Altos wasn't independence though. It's aims were in this order:

1. To topple the Conservative dictatorship of Rafael Carrera, and restore the Liberals under Mariano Gálvez
2. Stop Guatemala´s seccession from the FRCA
3. More local sovereignty for Western Guatemala under a Central American federal system by creating the "sixth state" of Los Altos
 
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He didn't have a navy, but that doesn't mean he didn't have ships for trade. We did learn a while ago that trade got a bunch of reworks so there is a lot of automatic fluctuations and automation.

Edit: also I think only the importer needs to use ships, but I'm not really sure on that one.
I'm pretty sure whoever starts the traderoute has to pay the convoys, no matter if it's import or export. Otherwise you could for example collapse the british empire by importing stuff from them until they can't connect to their colonies anymore.
 
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Hard disagree. Belize is a bit special here, because it already is a British colony. Directly messing with the colony itself should absolutely drag the Empire into the conflict. A war between Guatemala and Nicaragua/costa Rica however should require spending on of your limited interests for the region. I guess the US did have one or they wouldn't have been able to interfere, so that one I'm OK with.
Lol dude it should be crystal clear from his comment that Belize is just a random example and after saying "hard disagree" you are basically repeating the point stated in that comment
 
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Lol dude it should be crystal clear from his comment that Belize is just a random example and after saying "hard disagree" you are basically repeating the point stated in that comment
I should have made an important difference more clear:
The US involvment in this conflict is perfectly fine!
They don't need to have a colony in the region, they don't need to be given anything form Costa Rica for their help. All they need is an interest in the region and the US being a great power should have enough interests available to spend one for Central America and the Carribean. And that's enough incentive to stop a local power from accumulating infamy.
The British involvment is a different matter. They can be involved because of Belize giving them a free interest. I doubt that they would spend their available interests outside of Europe and Africa. Otherwise they should not be involved unless the Diplomatic play targets Belize.
 
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Sorry, I don't understand what you are referring to. What is this thing and why does it bother you?
CK3 style notifications. Several people expressed they don't like that it's some list you have to expand and not a line of symbols like in EU4 and other pre CK3 pdx games. I personally don't mind it
 
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Sorry, I don't understand what you are referring to. What is this thing and why does it bother you?
Sorry, yes. It is the CK3 style message system. I feel it hides important information in with low importance information using words instead of easy to understand (or easy to learn) icons.

In CK3, its location is also fixed at the position which is to the left of the right popups, even if the popup isn't present.

I agree with Count Cristo's take from last year on it.
 
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Why wouldn’t Britain have an interest in Central America from their colony in Belize and protectorate on the Miskito Coast? Britain was interested in the prospect of a canal through Central America and were willing to engage in military expeditions and gunboat diplomacy to protect and expand their position (for instance seizing a port city from Nicaragua that was seen as a possible canal location and occupying disputed islands in the region. Britain should have its hands dipped in regions all over the world. If having land and a vassal in the region isn’t enough, I don’t know what would be. Otherwise Britain would end up insular and stuck only caring about Europe/India, which wouldn’t make much sense.

The offer here also wasn’t anything like Zulu offering Germany to annex London. Guatemala here is a decent regional power who will be tying down most of the Colombian Army, allowing Britain to easily achieve their goal of securing the Panama Canal route. Sure, they could have beaten up Colombia on their own if they really wanted, but this provided the opportunity to seize it much more easily/cheaply.
 
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