I would like to talk about how AAA (anti-aircraft-artillery) installations in a certain province / region should reduce Bombing ifficiency, by reduce, I mean that bombers do less damage by mission in that province / region bc of said AAA.
before I go further. lets talk a bit how province AAA (wich was measure in levels from 1-10) work in HOI 3. (I may be wrong so do correct me if I am).
in HOI 3. if a province was being bombed, the AAA in said province would inflict damage on the bombers, however, judging from the fallowing thread . there are big problems:
1 - AA does very little damge to bombers it seams (which is not far from history, but then we have...)
2 - AA gets damage... according to Kovax : "After a single raid, you'll end up with 1-2 less IC from the province, and 1-3 points less AA. After 4-5 raids, it doesn't matter how much AA you built, because it's doing absolutely nothing for at least the next few weeks.".
problem 2 alone makes AA almost useless. the pros for AAA being: it was relatively cheap and fast to build (like 2-3 weks?) and it increases arty praticals.
So. province AAA was NOT effective at all, but it still has some uses. For HOI IV, I would like this too change.
if you wish to learn more on how AAA defenses (as a whole) work in WW2, exe: for germany againt the allies, I recomande: Battlefiled - Air war over germany.
AAA should reduce bombing ifficiency:
I believe that AAA defenses as well as other methods of anti-air defense (like barrage balloons, redering the area a NO- fly zone to everyone), other then causing casualties to the bombers, reduce the overal ifficiency of the bombing ,as in: the bombing would cause more damage IF the AAA and barrage ballons was not present.
why?:
for 1. Bombers normaly have lower cruise speeds then more lighter aircrafts, and they are larger, make it much more easier to hit. (logically)
2. - because of AAA implacements, such as flack 88 or smaler caliber, the bombers have to fly at higher altitudes then the Ideal altitude, to insure survivel. thus decreasing the acuracy of the bombs.
3, - Barrage Ballons: a very worthy weapon, used susefully by the British against the Germans during the battle of Of Britain, could reach the hights of 1500 m! in the article, the germans actually tried to shot down the ballons, a testement that the balloons we're a very serious nuisance. in short:
A - forced aircraft to higher altitudes, thereby decreasing surprise and bombing accuracy;
B - enhanced ground-based air defenses and the ability of fighters to acquire targets, since intruding aircrafts were limited in altitude and direction;
C - the cable presented a definite mental and material hazard to pilots.
4 - the presence of AA, could cause a certain physiological strain on the crew, I don't know about you, but being cramed in a aircraft, with explosions going off all around the aircraft and machine gun fire (from the smaller calibers 20mm or 30mm, etc) making holes all over the the plane, I think I would be a bit strees out, I could be totaly wrong on this however.
with this. AAA will be much more usefull. of curse AAA defenses alone should not dramatically cut bombers effectiveness. (that is for well develeped SAM tech.), but it should provide a decent, minimal protection. which is better then nothing.
This way, not only would it encourage the world powers to build reginal AA defenses, it could make it mandatory to build in the more Important provinces such as the Port that harbors must of the navy, the biggest manufactories center, Capital cities, etc.)
to make a long story short. while an airforce is a much more Ideal and better suited, AA is cheaper and faster to create then fighter wings.
before I go further. lets talk a bit how province AAA (wich was measure in levels from 1-10) work in HOI 3. (I may be wrong so do correct me if I am).
in HOI 3. if a province was being bombed, the AAA in said province would inflict damage on the bombers, however, judging from the fallowing thread . there are big problems:
1 - AA does very little damge to bombers it seams (which is not far from history, but then we have...)
2 - AA gets damage... according to Kovax : "After a single raid, you'll end up with 1-2 less IC from the province, and 1-3 points less AA. After 4-5 raids, it doesn't matter how much AA you built, because it's doing absolutely nothing for at least the next few weeks.".
problem 2 alone makes AA almost useless. the pros for AAA being: it was relatively cheap and fast to build (like 2-3 weks?) and it increases arty praticals.
So. province AAA was NOT effective at all, but it still has some uses. For HOI IV, I would like this too change.
if you wish to learn more on how AAA defenses (as a whole) work in WW2, exe: for germany againt the allies, I recomande: Battlefiled - Air war over germany.
AAA should reduce bombing ifficiency:
I believe that AAA defenses as well as other methods of anti-air defense (like barrage balloons, redering the area a NO- fly zone to everyone), other then causing casualties to the bombers, reduce the overal ifficiency of the bombing ,as in: the bombing would cause more damage IF the AAA and barrage ballons was not present.
why?:
for 1. Bombers normaly have lower cruise speeds then more lighter aircrafts, and they are larger, make it much more easier to hit. (logically)
2. - because of AAA implacements, such as flack 88 or smaler caliber, the bombers have to fly at higher altitudes then the Ideal altitude, to insure survivel. thus decreasing the acuracy of the bombs.
3, - Barrage Ballons: a very worthy weapon, used susefully by the British against the Germans during the battle of Of Britain, could reach the hights of 1500 m! in the article, the germans actually tried to shot down the ballons, a testement that the balloons we're a very serious nuisance. in short:
A - forced aircraft to higher altitudes, thereby decreasing surprise and bombing accuracy;
B - enhanced ground-based air defenses and the ability of fighters to acquire targets, since intruding aircrafts were limited in altitude and direction;
C - the cable presented a definite mental and material hazard to pilots.
4 - the presence of AA, could cause a certain physiological strain on the crew, I don't know about you, but being cramed in a aircraft, with explosions going off all around the aircraft and machine gun fire (from the smaller calibers 20mm or 30mm, etc) making holes all over the the plane, I think I would be a bit strees out, I could be totaly wrong on this however.
with this. AAA will be much more usefull. of curse AAA defenses alone should not dramatically cut bombers effectiveness. (that is for well develeped SAM tech.), but it should provide a decent, minimal protection. which is better then nothing.
This way, not only would it encourage the world powers to build reginal AA defenses, it could make it mandatory to build in the more Important provinces such as the Port that harbors must of the navy, the biggest manufactories center, Capital cities, etc.)
to make a long story short. while an airforce is a much more Ideal and better suited, AA is cheaper and faster to create then fighter wings.
