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I'm aboard!:) 'll soon provide you will colored pics of ministers'n'leaders!

Btw, bitvalues for ministers? lolwut? Aren't they just defined by words?

Yay! I need pics!:D

Well . . . the ministers are worded in AoD, but not in Armageddon. I wish I could do this in AoD, not least because of all the cool ship attachments that could be there. But to my knowledge there is no MDS2 version for it, so I'll just plug on:D
 
Will you use real American politicians/military leaders for CSA, or will you make fictional ones? If you will use real leaders, you can just add generals and some ministers from the Southern states to Confederacy.

Great updates, still following. :D
 
Will you use real American politicians/military leaders for CSA, or will you make fictional ones? If you will use real leaders, you can just add generals and some ministers from the Southern states to Confederacy.

Great updates, still following. :D

A mixture, actually. Most of the politicians that get mentioned will be historical people, like John McCain and Barack Obama. However, I'm just not knowledgeable enough to make everyone a real person, so there will be the fictional ones in there:wacko:
 
Excerpt from CSA - The Early Years (1993)

After the meditation to end the War of Secession, the South would enjoy its glory days in the sun. With South California in Confederate hands, there was really no way that the United States could prevent the acquisition of the Hawaiian Islands by the Confederacy, as well as the surrounding islands, like Midway and Wake Island. All of this was done during the presidency of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis' successor in the 1866 elections. He rode in, like his predecessor and all future presidents until after the Great War, on the Conservative Party ticket. The Liberals at this time were a minority party, and so mostly ignored, though it is widely believed that Lee could have been a flaming radical with the Liberals and still won the elections by his stunning margin.

As the 1860s gave way to the 1870s, the USA became more and more bitter at the loss against the CSA, victory having been so close before the Gettysburg Campaign. Quickly the Republicans and Democrats changed their tunes. The Democrats became very socialist, perhaps even communist, and the Republicans began to preach fascism. Both parties decreed the need to bring the CSA back into the Union, by force if necessary. President Lee watched with worry, wondering if this would ever amount to anything beyond hot air. It never did, but fear ran wild on the North American continent during this time.

After Lee was succeeded by James Longstreet in 1872, the Confederacy began to take a more active role in international politics. The CSA began to align itself closer and closer with the British and French who had secured its independence, leading them to be drawn into several conflicts in which they had no stake. The colonial wars against African tribes and Asian powers mattered little to the Confederacy, beset as it was by fear of its angry northern neighbor. The CSA invested heavily in guns and ships during this time, but they were never used against the USA. As the century passed, however, the presidencies of Jeb Stuart and Thomas Jackson behind the CSA, the USA began to find an ideological ally.

In the Russo-Japanese War, the Russian Empire had fought the Japanese to a near-standstill, but British & Confederate intervention ended the conflict in a Japanese victory. Russia felt betrayed by every nation in the world - until President Theodore Roosevelt offered the hand of friendship. The Russians had found a sympathetic ally.

Thus did the world come to grips with the most fearsome and destructive conflict yet - the Great War or First World War.
 
General Lee became President of the CSA? Very cool. :cool:

I wonder if Napoleon III had managed to establish 2nd Mexican Empire, now when USA lost their influence. I'm sure that Confederacy wouldn't have anything against the presence of friendly European nation in America.

Will the USA become too weak if history will go this way? CSA having good relations with Europe and dominating both Pacific and Latin America would deprive Northerns from any hope of advance. Things are even worse for them if British still hold the Canada...
 
Will this turn into a Turtledove-esque scenario with a German-US Scenario? :)

Or will the USA have to find other allies, or worse; stand alone against its enemies?
 
Asalto - Mexican Empire? Hmmmm . . . .:D And the North and the Russians are very, VERY dangerous in this timeline.

Mossco - There is a US-Russian Empire alliance, but it is very . . . unstable, and in the event of a war in Europe no one is sure if either the CSA or the USA will stand with its allies. Take the "war in Europe" bit as you will.:D
 
I mostly believe that the Great War will be mostly confined to Europe...
 
Ciryandor - Well, sort of. I figure that if the USA and the CSA clash in WWI someone has to lose, which has all sorts of bad consequences for the South - my chosen nation. Instead . . . .

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Excerpt from The Great War - The Heroes and the Dead (1989)

In August of 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria was shot by Serbian patriots. Immediately Austria issued demands against the Serbian government tried to get a war. Serbia accepted all. Germany stated her intention to back the Austrian government, as did Italy and the Ottoman Empire. The Russian Empire backed Serbia, as did France and Britain. The United States of America stood with their Russian allies. The Confederate States of America remained neutral at first, but as the situation escalated President Jeb Stuart II of the CSA declared his intent to stand with France and Britain.

Quickly the situation made the jump to full-scale war. The Germans started by launching the Schlieffen Plan to bulldoze through the Low Countries and into France. British and Confederate forces began to pour into France as well, trying desperately to stem the German tide. The Battle of the Marne did stop them, and the Russians broke the German advance quickly with aid from US Army units. However, after that the war settled into back-and-forth trench fighting.

After several years of that, the Allies had regained the initiative and were pushing forward. President Woodrow Wilson of the CSA and President Eugene Debs of the USA were in unique positions - they fought the same enemy, they assisted the same allies, but they would not be seen allied to one another. Relations between the two of them were icy. However, in 1917, Germany sued for peace. The humiliating Treaty of Versailles was one of the main causes of the Second World War.

When Russia collapsed into revolution, US forces backed the Imperial government, assisting to put down Stalin's troops and restore order. They would ultimately prove successful.

Thus did the Great War end.
 
Fastest WWI summary ever. :D
 
Well, the war SHOULD have been over by 1916 with both Americas contributing troops to both fronts... where a powerful infusion of USA troops could have broken AH much earlier, stalled Germany in the East, steeled the Russians to actually use its massive size to steamroll west. Conversely, the French would likely have not had its mutinies, with CSA and British troops manning a much longer stretch of front, not to mention that German manpower would have been broken earlier.

WAIT, with the partition of California, what roles in both states do Los Angeles and San Francisco play?
 
Ciryandor - Your question has been noted for after I finish summarizing the twentieth century and move into the modern situation:D

Kurt_Steiner - Well, I could have dazzled you all with my stunningly horrific descriptions of the terror that is trench warfare - but I can't compete with Turtledove and Shaara. I'm not even going to try.

Update before the night is out. Nag me if I appear to have forgotten. A little more modding to do, Vax's ministers/leaders and I can start playing.

next update is the interwar years and the 1938 election race.
 
Started Reading this one too. What do you think about playing with the CSA in Victoria II? Would be a nice AAR. I Could Help, maybe using another contry in MP.
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Anyway: USA is turning radical. I'm afraid of where this is going. Fascist or Commie?
 
CarbrBard - Welcome! And about that multi idea . . . sounds like fun!:D But as Vicky 2 is not yet released, I'd have to spend a while learning it. But - CSA/UK?Germany?France?USA?:D And the USA could be either at any given moment.;)

Sorry the update took so long. Was counting votes in Realpolitik II, over on the AoD forums. Elections have started, so go over there and vote Confederate!:D
 
Excerpt from C.S.A. - The Complete History Volume Six - The Interwar Years (1985)

After the Great War the Confederate States of America began to undergo a period of rapid domestic change. Slavery had been abolished in the Emancipation Act of 1887, but social equality was a long time in coming. However, the Confederate State's conservative leaders - who had dominated elections since the founding of the nation - were the ones who had gotten the CSA into the Great War and the massive bloodshed therein. The mass return of soldiers from the front - both white and black Confederates, as many regiments of the latter had been raised in an attempt to break German forces on the Western Front - gave the flagging, near-extinct Liberal Party the support it needed to become a major force in Confederate politics. In the 1920 elections Woodrow Wilson followed the original Confederate Constitution and declined to run for a second term. Many wonder what the CSA might look like today if he had. He almost certainly would have won any such attempt, that much is known. However, the Liberals took the election for the first time in the history of the Confederate States.

However, the Conservatives rallied and called on their flagging support base in the 1926 elections, knocking the Liberals out of Richmond. Of course, that was before the Stock Market Crash in the United States. The economic depression hit the United States so hard that it took a wheelbarrow full of dollars to buy a loaf of bread - and wages hadn't risen. The Confederates States did not suffer nearly as bad as the USA or Germany, but they were still hit hard. The Conservative Party's lackluster attempts to correct the downturn were having only minor effects. Many voters were falling away from the party, which needed a candidate for the presidency who could appeal to everyone, Conservative and Liberal - someone with passion and a vision.

And they found this candidate in Senator Cordell Hull of Tennessee.

Hull seemed to be just the man that the Conservatives - that the country - needed. He knew what to do to correct the economic situation, he had firm beliefs in neutrality, and he supported international relations with the United States. No one was really surprised when he beat Liberal candidate Clarence Potter for the Presidency. People celebrated, believing that here was a man who could lead them to greatness.

But in 1936 Hull's "master plans" have had very little effect. The Conservatives were still fully backing him, claiming that his reforms were pure genius and just under-appreciated and that the Liberals were responsible for the continued economic recession.

This lead to the 1938 elections - the closest in the history of the Confederate States. The race between Cordell Hull, incumbent for a second term, and Liberal George S. Patton Jr. had begun.
 
Patton, a liberal? *jawdrop*
 
I'm so filled with Fear. Someone Help us, the World is surely going to end!