A WEIRD GAME EXPERIENCE !
I'm playing my first game as Piedmont-Sardinia and I'm getting some troubles with the Reunification War event and following wars.
Game-setting are:
1.03, no mod except Economic.zip by DEREK PULLEM, difficulties NORM/NORM.
From the very beginning I planned for growing "Fast and Strong" to face a war with the A-H empire.
So my first objectives were to expand north(Swiss) and south(Tunisia), create a solid industrial base, early colonisation(Yebuti) and claims for trading tecnologies. My diplomatic action were to concentrate on British Empire and France.
In the earlies 20 years everything went fine except I couldn't conquer Algeria cause the French declared war to them in 1838 and I was waiting for my BB to go down after taking Tunisia and Swiss (except their capital wich I took in the mid 40's).
In the meanwhile I traded 2 claims with England and 2 tunisian provinces with French for commercial and industrial tecnologies, myself research-path was to concentrate on culture, for Prestige, and army, self-evident.
At 1855-56 I took Parma-Modena in a short rush, maybe a mistake of mine ?
I could had waited for the "Italian Question" to arise, but as I said before is my first game with SAR and I don't like reading through the Event Folder before playing, I feel a little cheating-like to know what exactly waiting for, just a sort of House Rule for me.
When finnally the I-Q event fired in spring '59 I had a Defensive Alliance with France and Her, Prussia and England were granting my indipendence.
I had 47 division, the most of them at Austrian border and 20 more in the mobilisation pool !
Of course I chose war ... a half dozen windows popped up... which first they gived me an Alliance with France (which I was already allied with) and then, because Spain was granting indipendence to Two-Sicilies and she was allied with France, Spain and FRANCE were declaring war to me !
More the Austrian too and all the Italian minor were in war with me and while Prussia defiled herself only England honored her grantings and was my allied !
I felt so frustrated I stroke the Reddition button the next second ! Stupid of me, without saving before.
Oh well, I reloaded January '59 and I waited for the event to fire again...but not, the year passed without and then 1860 passed too. I was just wandering what to do, maybe it will not fire at all anymore, when suddenly in summer '61 again the Italian Question aroused... I took a loooong breath and gone for war.
Everything fine this time, France and England allied with me against Austria, Spain was not "putting her nose" in the affair, and the event gave me 10 division more, much needed indeed cause A-H was very strong at that time (no major war for her so far).
I commissioned the most of my forces to fight the A-H ones, the rest were to deal with the Italian states. I first took Parma wich I annexed for not suffering deplection for standing there ( maybe a mistake again for the sake of BadBoy ?), then Tuscany (annexed) and Church State (that I could't annex, why ?) while facing the Two-Sicilies Army at south (plus 1 corps conquering Sicilia) in the north my armies were perfoming quite well against Austrian...with the help of British redcoats (God bless them !) which landed from the very first weeks of war in Dalmatia and were pushing inland quite well.
The French ally was very deceiving me ! First was sending me expeditionary forces from all over the world: 4 division in north China, 2 division in south Annam, 1 more in some forgotten Pacific island !!! Then was ammassing forces in Draguignan passing through my territories and standing there idles !! Finally they landed too, nearby Trieste and began to help me concreatelly, BUT few weeks after they signed a SEPARATED PEACE with Austria giving me Milano and Verona and they reatreted from war !!!
S**t ! I was at Wien's door, I wasn't to stop now !
When the "VIVA ITALIA" event fired I found myself to be still at war with A-H and allied with England but no more with France. I managed to end war quickly grasping 2 provinces more (Bergamo and Venezia).
Very good performances I thought, but here REAL TROUBLES come !
I was getting revolts all over Italy (hey we are supposed to be happy to be united after 1400 years of division and foreigner's dominance, don't you ?).
I checked my BB and...what ? 45,5 !!! How is possible ?
In the meantimes I wasn't no more allied with anybody and neither France nor England they wanted of me even with >190 in relationship (BB effect I suppose). Also I losted all of my Generals, 3 of them, in 4 monthes ! Howcome ? Very painfull to me.
Well let's face it, I told me, I raised to the top the Crimefigthing expenses and I start to rebuilt the rest of Italy industries. After all I had an healthy economy (5th industrial power), a strong army (5th again), and a overall nice position (2nd in Prestige, 3rd in ranking).
So I planned to concentrate on economy and decided to avoid wars for the
next 20 years at least (I was just willing "to eat" Ethiopia !).
Suddenly one day in 1863, without ANY known reason France declare war on me !!!
Our relation were >190 as usual, they drops to 85 and she start to invade me ! Also Spain join the war at French side (BB's war, isn't it ?).
All of my forces were at Austrian borders or on garrison duties in Cagliari, Tunis and Roma. I mobilize my reserve and start to move my army westward hoping Austria will respect the truce.
The French Navy cut mine in pieces (they were the most advanced in the world and I never researched any !) and after a long fight the French and Spanish they conquer Italian Tunisia, but on the west front they were losing provinces after provinces.
The most of the French regular army was out of their country, in Mexico, China, Assam, also 6 division still in Austria, just at my border but they seemed not to be able to cross it and the AI didn't use them for landing at my back ! Actually two spanish divisions (out of the 5 she has) they landed in Roma (wow, nice to see this !) just to die there against my only garrison south the Po river !
Knowing how hardminded is the AI for giving peace I went as fast I could for Paris, nice fighting all the way ! (but no general with me).
Finally I "imposed peace" with half of their money as condition, good for my investiment in south Italy (lot's of industries and 2 level rail wherever I can ).
Then 1866 came, Prussia ask me to join her Alliance in the war against Austria ( I wasn't waiting for this, nice surprise ! ).
I agree because I feel strong enough to face her alone now and I wish to conquer the rest of italian provinces she still own, of course I don't know if there is any event scripted for this but I don't care anymore, I will take
them "Manu Militari" !
Argh, Bade is invading me ! And Wurtenburg and Bavaria too are allied with "Beppe Cecco" (italian nickname for Franz Joseph).
Don't panic ! I send there 9 division while the rest of them take care of Austrian and start cutting deeply in their lines.
Meanwhiles the Prussian they suck ! The Austrian army is eating them little by little, I begun to fill anxious I need a victory before Prussia collapse. I can't win a war alone against ALL southern Germany states plus the A-H Empire ! Suddenly Bade offer me a separated peace giving me 2 of their provinces ( Fribourg and Kostanz IIRC ) I accept without exitation, they will be good for tech-trading with Prussia and I need all of my forces to defeat the rest of the coalition.
BUT what the...? I can't attack Bavaria nor Wurtenburg, why this ? I don't understand and I feel urged to finish with Austria, they offer me white peace (50 prestige) I refuse, I want the italian provinces ! I enter Wien and I conquer her for the second time in 5 years and then....I open the diplomatic ledger and I discover that I can't ask ANYTHING but a white peace cause according to the writing I'm having a COLONIAL WAR with her !!!! Is this a bug or WAD ???
I felt really frustracted but what to do ? I took the white peace option, I saved and closed the game.
Now I don't know what to do. I feel somehow like my game is broken: 2 BB points more for the Bade provinces (total of 45), a lot of RR in my italian ones (even if I spend the max in crimefighting since 5 years), but on the other hand I'm REALLY a Great Power, second in ranking (3rd is USA),first in prestige (2300 points !), a lot of cash (France still pay me her indemnities), a good economy and a strong army (5th yet).
I have even traded with France for 5 naval tech and as I've a fine literacture bonus, I will be able to trade with England or Prussia within 3 years if like so (my actual level in tecnologies are: 11_10_11_13_13).
I only feel bad cause:
A) There should not be such a huge BB for unify Italy, nor the RR should rise, on the contrary it should LOW !!
B) Twice I had to experience WEIRD events, first France declaring me war while being allied with me (I reloaded), then Prussia-Austrian war becoming a colonial war JUST FOR ME, not allowing me to take my victory gains (I stopped to play for the moment).
C) Because of huge BB penalty I had a war with France even with "the best relation between neighbours" IE >190, what's the next ?
What do you think about this ?
Thanks for your advices. CIAO Amadeus.
I'm playing my first game as Piedmont-Sardinia and I'm getting some troubles with the Reunification War event and following wars.
Game-setting are:
1.03, no mod except Economic.zip by DEREK PULLEM, difficulties NORM/NORM.
From the very beginning I planned for growing "Fast and Strong" to face a war with the A-H empire.
So my first objectives were to expand north(Swiss) and south(Tunisia), create a solid industrial base, early colonisation(Yebuti) and claims for trading tecnologies. My diplomatic action were to concentrate on British Empire and France.
In the earlies 20 years everything went fine except I couldn't conquer Algeria cause the French declared war to them in 1838 and I was waiting for my BB to go down after taking Tunisia and Swiss (except their capital wich I took in the mid 40's).
In the meanwhile I traded 2 claims with England and 2 tunisian provinces with French for commercial and industrial tecnologies, myself research-path was to concentrate on culture, for Prestige, and army, self-evident.
At 1855-56 I took Parma-Modena in a short rush, maybe a mistake of mine ?
I could had waited for the "Italian Question" to arise, but as I said before is my first game with SAR and I don't like reading through the Event Folder before playing, I feel a little cheating-like to know what exactly waiting for, just a sort of House Rule for me.
When finnally the I-Q event fired in spring '59 I had a Defensive Alliance with France and Her, Prussia and England were granting my indipendence.
I had 47 division, the most of them at Austrian border and 20 more in the mobilisation pool !
Of course I chose war ... a half dozen windows popped up... which first they gived me an Alliance with France (which I was already allied with) and then, because Spain was granting indipendence to Two-Sicilies and she was allied with France, Spain and FRANCE were declaring war to me !
More the Austrian too and all the Italian minor were in war with me and while Prussia defiled herself only England honored her grantings and was my allied !
I felt so frustrated I stroke the Reddition button the next second ! Stupid of me, without saving before.
Oh well, I reloaded January '59 and I waited for the event to fire again...but not, the year passed without and then 1860 passed too. I was just wandering what to do, maybe it will not fire at all anymore, when suddenly in summer '61 again the Italian Question aroused... I took a loooong breath and gone for war.
Everything fine this time, France and England allied with me against Austria, Spain was not "putting her nose" in the affair, and the event gave me 10 division more, much needed indeed cause A-H was very strong at that time (no major war for her so far).
I commissioned the most of my forces to fight the A-H ones, the rest were to deal with the Italian states. I first took Parma wich I annexed for not suffering deplection for standing there ( maybe a mistake again for the sake of BadBoy ?), then Tuscany (annexed) and Church State (that I could't annex, why ?) while facing the Two-Sicilies Army at south (plus 1 corps conquering Sicilia) in the north my armies were perfoming quite well against Austrian...with the help of British redcoats (God bless them !) which landed from the very first weeks of war in Dalmatia and were pushing inland quite well.
The French ally was very deceiving me ! First was sending me expeditionary forces from all over the world: 4 division in north China, 2 division in south Annam, 1 more in some forgotten Pacific island !!! Then was ammassing forces in Draguignan passing through my territories and standing there idles !! Finally they landed too, nearby Trieste and began to help me concreatelly, BUT few weeks after they signed a SEPARATED PEACE with Austria giving me Milano and Verona and they reatreted from war !!!
S**t ! I was at Wien's door, I wasn't to stop now !
When the "VIVA ITALIA" event fired I found myself to be still at war with A-H and allied with England but no more with France. I managed to end war quickly grasping 2 provinces more (Bergamo and Venezia).
Very good performances I thought, but here REAL TROUBLES come !
I was getting revolts all over Italy (hey we are supposed to be happy to be united after 1400 years of division and foreigner's dominance, don't you ?).
I checked my BB and...what ? 45,5 !!! How is possible ?
In the meantimes I wasn't no more allied with anybody and neither France nor England they wanted of me even with >190 in relationship (BB effect I suppose). Also I losted all of my Generals, 3 of them, in 4 monthes ! Howcome ? Very painfull to me.
Well let's face it, I told me, I raised to the top the Crimefigthing expenses and I start to rebuilt the rest of Italy industries. After all I had an healthy economy (5th industrial power), a strong army (5th again), and a overall nice position (2nd in Prestige, 3rd in ranking).
So I planned to concentrate on economy and decided to avoid wars for the
next 20 years at least (I was just willing "to eat" Ethiopia !).
Suddenly one day in 1863, without ANY known reason France declare war on me !!!
Our relation were >190 as usual, they drops to 85 and she start to invade me ! Also Spain join the war at French side (BB's war, isn't it ?).
All of my forces were at Austrian borders or on garrison duties in Cagliari, Tunis and Roma. I mobilize my reserve and start to move my army westward hoping Austria will respect the truce.
The French Navy cut mine in pieces (they were the most advanced in the world and I never researched any !) and after a long fight the French and Spanish they conquer Italian Tunisia, but on the west front they were losing provinces after provinces.
The most of the French regular army was out of their country, in Mexico, China, Assam, also 6 division still in Austria, just at my border but they seemed not to be able to cross it and the AI didn't use them for landing at my back ! Actually two spanish divisions (out of the 5 she has) they landed in Roma (wow, nice to see this !) just to die there against my only garrison south the Po river !
Knowing how hardminded is the AI for giving peace I went as fast I could for Paris, nice fighting all the way ! (but no general with me).
Finally I "imposed peace" with half of their money as condition, good for my investiment in south Italy (lot's of industries and 2 level rail wherever I can ).
Then 1866 came, Prussia ask me to join her Alliance in the war against Austria ( I wasn't waiting for this, nice surprise ! ).
I agree because I feel strong enough to face her alone now and I wish to conquer the rest of italian provinces she still own, of course I don't know if there is any event scripted for this but I don't care anymore, I will take
them "Manu Militari" !
Argh, Bade is invading me ! And Wurtenburg and Bavaria too are allied with "Beppe Cecco" (italian nickname for Franz Joseph).
Don't panic ! I send there 9 division while the rest of them take care of Austrian and start cutting deeply in their lines.
Meanwhiles the Prussian they suck ! The Austrian army is eating them little by little, I begun to fill anxious I need a victory before Prussia collapse. I can't win a war alone against ALL southern Germany states plus the A-H Empire ! Suddenly Bade offer me a separated peace giving me 2 of their provinces ( Fribourg and Kostanz IIRC ) I accept without exitation, they will be good for tech-trading with Prussia and I need all of my forces to defeat the rest of the coalition.
BUT what the...? I can't attack Bavaria nor Wurtenburg, why this ? I don't understand and I feel urged to finish with Austria, they offer me white peace (50 prestige) I refuse, I want the italian provinces ! I enter Wien and I conquer her for the second time in 5 years and then....I open the diplomatic ledger and I discover that I can't ask ANYTHING but a white peace cause according to the writing I'm having a COLONIAL WAR with her !!!! Is this a bug or WAD ???
I felt really frustracted but what to do ? I took the white peace option, I saved and closed the game.
Now I don't know what to do. I feel somehow like my game is broken: 2 BB points more for the Bade provinces (total of 45), a lot of RR in my italian ones (even if I spend the max in crimefighting since 5 years), but on the other hand I'm REALLY a Great Power, second in ranking (3rd is USA),first in prestige (2300 points !), a lot of cash (France still pay me her indemnities), a good economy and a strong army (5th yet).
I have even traded with France for 5 naval tech and as I've a fine literacture bonus, I will be able to trade with England or Prussia within 3 years if like so (my actual level in tecnologies are: 11_10_11_13_13).
I only feel bad cause:
A) There should not be such a huge BB for unify Italy, nor the RR should rise, on the contrary it should LOW !!
B) Twice I had to experience WEIRD events, first France declaring me war while being allied with me (I reloaded), then Prussia-Austrian war becoming a colonial war JUST FOR ME, not allowing me to take my victory gains (I stopped to play for the moment).
C) Because of huge BB penalty I had a war with France even with "the best relation between neighbours" IE >190, what's the next ?
What do you think about this ?
Thanks for your advices. CIAO Amadeus.
