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1845-1850

So, I fire up Victoria II and get an immediate education. See, in my current games in EU4 and Stellaris I am playing Ironman, and my most recent HoI4 game was in Ironman. What do you not have to do in Ironman? Save the game before you exit. What do you have to do in Victoria II?

In short, when I finished my previous play session I didn’t save my game, so I have to start again from my autosave of 1st January 1845. A bit annoying, but no great shakes if I have to replay a few years. I finish building two regiments, place the army in Norway, complete Positivism and start Early Railroad. Along the way I also get a few more railroad jobs to start via investing in Projects, and I start a few more manually. Mostly those stall however, needing Timber - which I am producing loads of. I try to fiddle with the trade window so I only sell above 300 Timber, but this does not see to work. I must confess I have no idea really what the issue there is. Early Railroad is completed in May 1846, when I suddenly realise my militancy - which had gone down to just over 1 following the revolution, has gone back up to 4. Oh, and the Norwegians have revolted again.

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I check the screen and it looks like the Scandinavian Pan-Nationalists are at it again. Which is so annoying. Still, nothing to see here. I research Functionalist in June 1847, and then in July the same year the newspaper says Sweden is afraid of Russia. Which I find amusing because our relations are +150ish and are described as being “friendly”. No, I am not especially worried about Russia just now, who is fighting again in Central Asia. Meanwhile I chose to research Steamers since I figure it will be useful down the line.

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Life continues relatively quietly, if truth be told. I am wary of the militancy, but no actual rebels yet. The Norwegians remain unhappy, but there just aren’t that many of them. I manage to invest in a Liquor Distillery that starts building, and I manually go for a Steel Mill, which gets stuck on a lack of coal. Both my National Foci are now going for capitalists who seem to be mostly going for an Artillery Factory. I expand the army by another two regiments. A non-crisis happens in Bulgaria (no one cares apparently). Steamers got completed, and then in due course so did State & Government. Clean Coal begins research, since I figure coal is good. It is July 3 1849, and then election results are in:

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What does this mean? Well, to begin with my economy tanks. I go from a balance that hovers usually between +30 and +50 £ a day, even with full defence expenditure to a deficit of -20 to -40 £ a day, with 50% defence expenditure. It makes a moment to work out why, and then I realise it. Konservitiva Partiet was State Capitalist. Liberala Partiet is Laissez Faire. My tariff drops from 70% to 50% and my taxes are slashed. Almost immediately two of my factories go bankrupt (my industrial score goes from 12 to 4). There is a reason why I said I hate liberals.

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The first Pan-Scandinavian revolt fires, which I clear up quite quickly. Clean Coal completes, and then I wait a few days for 1850 to tick over to start Impressionism. But to make matters even more lovely as 1849 ends I realise that Prussia has formed the North German Federation and has sphered Denmark. Just brilliant.

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Which makes a good time to quick check in the rest of the world.

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I don’t suppose the Great Powers are that much of a surprise, with the possible exception of Belgium Spain and the Ottoman Empire have competed for the 8th slot most of the 1840s as far as I have been aware. The USA is currently at war with Japan (USA has sphered Korea). North America has a slight case of border gore, but no worse than a player necessarily would.

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In South America Chile has gotten worse for war from the various wars, and there is more war ongoing.

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Meanwhile Tunis, Algeria, and Morocco are getting some interest from France and Spain. Just of interest France has sphered the remains of Algeria and the Papal States.

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Finally, this is me in 1850. Russia and the UK clearly view me as a country of interest. In terms of their own endeavours earlier in the 1840s Russia and France had an alliance, but they broke this off and seem to spend a lot of time discrediting each other in Greece. Otherwise I must say I am not entirely sure of the relations between the other Great Powers. What this means for any chance of my getting Denmark now that the NGF has sphered them I do not know.

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Anyway, back to my situation. I have two issues - revolts and the economy. On the revolt side, when I was looking around today I realised that nearly 50% of my population's wants Weighted Universal. I figure accepting that reform might reduce the militancy quite a bit. Perhaps further reforms will as well. Otherwise I can try and play whack-a-revolt for a time, or if it seems massive just let the revolution happen again. Time will tell. As for the Norwegians - I must confess they don’t especially bother me yet.

But the economy has me scratching my head. I just don’t think it is possible for me, at this time, to have a successful economy under Laissez Faire. I also don’t think the factories that closed were wholly unprofitable either, they were just somewhat volatile. They needed support to smooth out their cash flow, as it were. Of course, I could appoint my own government but somehow I think that might make the rebel problem worse. Oh, and I still can’t work out why my railroads won’t build when I should have a timber stockpile from my own production. Am I missing something very stupid?

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All in all I must admit I am a bit stumped.
 
Already the North German Federation? They must have been quick at grabbing Holstein and the other minors necessary to form it. That will make it very tough for you to compete with Denmark ion their sphere.

It is better to have a more balanced budget and an appointed government, so I would recommend you to designate the Conservatives as the governing party, even though the Liberals achieved a significant swing in the election.

I don't know how the stockpile mechanic works, I must admit that I always automate that. :oops: But maybe I will learn with you in this AAR?
 
The heck is this? lol America taking the mountains of British Columbia and NGC forming so early? hahaha. I love the madness...except that U.S. border.
 
The heck is this? lol America taking the mountains of British Columbia and NGC forming so early? hahaha. I love the madness...except that U.S. border.

I get the impression that this was the result of some bizarre compromise to ensure Polk got his "Fifty-four Forty" while the British kept Fort Vancouver, as arbitrated by someone who has no clue what a map is and just decided to randomly start drawing lines, and which Parliament and Congress simply ratified, sight unseen, after a single night of drunken revelry.

This inspired the theatrical play The Hangover: Victorian Edition, which in this timeline is what Lincoln was attending instead of Our American Cousin when he was assasinated.
 
I get the impression that this was the result of some bizarre compromise to ensure Polk got his "Fifty-four Forty" while the British kept Fort Vancouver, as arbitrated by someone who has no clue what a map is and just decided to randomly start drawing lines, and which Parliament and Congress simply ratified, sight unseen, after a single night of drunken revelry.

This inspired the theatrical play The Hangover: Victorian Edition, which in this timeline is what Lincoln was attending instead of Our American Cousin when he was assasinated.

Kind of like how the border of Saudi Arabia got drawn then? :p
 
Already the North German Federation? They must have been quick at grabbing Holstein and the other minors necessary to form it. That will make it very tough for you to compete with Denmark ion their sphere.

It is better to have a more balanced budget and an appointed government, so I would recommend you to designate the Conservatives as the governing party, even though the Liberals achieved a significant swing in the election.

I don't know how the stockpile mechanic works, I must admit that I always automate that. :oops: But maybe I will learn with you in this AAR?
Yes, I think I shall set the government, and perhaps use a few more political reforms to limit unhappiness. Still I think some rebel thumping is in my future. Build a bigger army :D

I'm not sure anybody does...
Hehe. Perhaps I should set it back to automated to see if it makes any difference.

The heck is this? lol America taking the mountains of British Columbia and NGC forming so early? hahaha. I love the madness...except that U.S. border.
The border definitely attracts the attention of the bordergore gods, to be sure.

I get the impression that this was the result of some bizarre compromise to ensure Polk got his "Fifty-four Forty" while the British kept Fort Vancouver, as arbitrated by someone who has no clue what a map is and just decided to randomly start drawing lines, and which Parliament and Congress simply ratified, sight unseen, after a single night of drunken revelry.

This inspired the theatrical play The Hangover: Victorian Edition, which in this timeline is what Lincoln was attending instead of Our American Cousin when he was assasinated.
I can buy that!

Kind of like how the border of Saudi Arabia got drawn then? :p
Only without the collapse of an empire during a world war :=)

I hope to play some more tonight.
 
I'm not sure anybody does...
Hehe. Perhaps I should set it back to automated to see if it makes any difference.
It is the kind of mechanic which I always find nice to have running in the background for immersion purposes, but I personally never take the time to properly learn it.
 
Hehe. Perhaps I should set it back to automated to see if it makes any difference.

Yeah, definitely. The main thing to know is that there is a quite limited supply of a lot of resources early-game, and a LOT of demand. That's why things like coal are a bottleneck for a while [By the way, do you even produce coal in sweden?]
 
It is the kind of mechanic which I always find nice to have running in the background for immersion purposes, but I personally never take the time to properly learn it.
It does look fiddly

Yeah, definitely. The main thing to know is that there is a quite limited supply of a lot of resources early-game, and a LOT of demand. That's why things like coal are a bottleneck for a while [By the way, do you even produce coal in sweden?]
Yes, but not a lot iirc.
 
1850-1855

So when we left off the elections had given my a Liberal government, a deficit, and a movement of 350k rebels - which given my population is just over a million says something. So I did two things to improve things. The first is that I set Konservitiva Partiet as the governing Party, and secondly I adopted Weighted Universal voting, which was desired by about 40% of the populace. The effect was immediate - the comparison here is between 1st January 1845 and 13th June 1845.

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The militancy continued to drop for some time thereafter, and the money came rolling in. I also reset all the Trade bits to automatic. Now, whether it was became of the game starting again or because automation is the way to go, within a few months all my railroads began to build. The Projects tab has a number more railroad investment opportunties, which I spam invest whilst my own capitalists slowly work on the artillery factory. All in all 1851 goes down in the books as a very good year, closing off with the opening of a Steel factory.

Early in 1851 the Liquor Factory is done - and immediately becomes the most popular place to work in Svealand. In May I complete Impressionism, unlock Steamer Transports, and then on June 24th we are finally recognised as we should be:

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We have displaced the Ottoman Empire, which is involved in a war with Persia - which at some point also involved Russia but Russia and the OE sign a White Peace ending it. Russia also forms a military alliance with the Netherlands. All in all I am not too certain of how the other great powers are interacting, but I do get lots of notifications about France and Russia discrediting each other. I have meanwhile expanded my army by a further two regiments, bringing it to 42.000 troops. 1852 opens with the completion of Market Structure and the Sublime Porte now decides to go hunting Egyptians. This is the second OE-Ottoman War - the first saw Egypt lose parts of Syria.

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In May of 1852 we get an alert that we are at risk of ceasing to be a Great Power, which is not really a surprise since I figured it would take time to get established. Just that moment though the invention for Impressionist Music fires with a +15 prestige bonus, and suddenly the alert goes away.

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Meanwhile through an over-eager double-click when I was investing in some railroads I accidentally also invest in furniture factory. Figuring I might as well be in for the whole Krona’s worth I complete it. Over the summer of 1852 I also manually start a Steamer Shipyard. In the autumn we get a notification that Belgium has intervened in the OE-Egyptian war on Egypt’s side. Interesting, as they say. The USA and Japan also sign a White Peace. In the spring of 1853 I research Biologism, and I begin to think quite hard about where to go next.

Obviously I can continue to industrialise, and I muck around a bit with some minor investment in Denmark (a few railroads) just because. Probably not the wisest move with the NGF have Denmark sphered, but the entire point of this game is to try things out. And because of that I decide to put myself in a position to colonise. Something I cannot currently do - in part because I need more range. Therefore I begin researching Battleship Column Doctrine, to boost my ports. That summer sees the OE also ally with the Netherlands - which stays out of the current war. This means that the Netherlands currently is in an alliance with both the OE and Russia - which makes my head spin a little. And the next set of elections begin.

The Election campaign is quite dull, enlivened only by completion of the Naval research, a few more railroads starting to be built/upgraded, the USA declaring another war on Mexico, and the Dred Scott decision being handed down. The result almost looks normal.

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Good. I won’t have to appoint another government. In celebration I build another regiment. Meantime the furniture factory completes, and on July 19th 1854 the Steamer Shipyard finishes. I feel like it is my birthday, which actually is sort of correct since July 19th is my birthday :D To celebrate that I start three commerce raiders - look at me having a modern navy!

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The play session draws to a close, and I realise there is one thing I have not yet had to do all five years I have been playing: whack a rebel. I check the relevant tab and find this:

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I almost feel sorry for them.

Inorganic Chemistry completed a little earlier in the autumn, and I am now going for the Iron Railroad, that should allow me to expand my network to the rest of the country. Whilst I have drifted up at times to number 7 in the Great Powers, I end the year as number 8, but feeling relatively comfortable. I have also noted my population has really started to increase. Whereas it stayed static until this session, and even declined moderately from 1.03M to 1.01M, it is now 1.05M with a growth of over 1k. My balance has gone down a little as I have discovered the subsidies button. I have also moderately reduced my tariff rate, as my middle class keeps having trouble meeting its needs. Not sure it will have any impact, but hey, something to try.

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The above shows a brief overview of how things are, plus the state of the two wars, plus more detail on the USA-Mexico war.

My thoughts for the next five years are to get the Tech for Naval Port 3, and fill out some Commerce and Industry techs, and continue to industrialise. What I don’t know is if I should go to a war with a minor uncivilised nation.
 
1850-1855

My balance has gone down a little as I have discovered the subsidies button. I have also moderately reduced my tariff rate, as my middle class keeps having trouble meeting its needs. Not sure it will have any impact, but hey, something to try.

Yeah, that can help in certain circumstances. If you go in the population screen you can see specifically what is causing certain pops to have unrest, which is also helpful. Of course, some people such as conquered terriroties will always be unhappy; and in additon some of the needs aren't available in large enough quantities early-game for most people
 
Yeah, that can help in certain circumstances. If you go in the population screen you can see specifically what is causing certain pops to have unrest, which is also helpful. Of course, some people such as conquered terriroties will always be unhappy; and in additon some of the needs aren't available in large enough quantities early-game for most people
Will continue to tinker with it and see what happens.

How is Scandinavia coming along?
It's not, basically. As Denmark is sphered by the NGF I can't get that. If I want to form Scandinavia I feel I am going to have to keep an eye out for opportunities to exploit possible conflicts between NGF, France, Russia, and Austria.
 
Good that you finally attained the great power status and looks set to keep it! Have you started trying to influence Denmark or some other countries to put them in your sphere?
 
Liberals gone! Mission accomplished.:D My game, I got to the 1890s before the Conservatives lost, to the Socialists. Those Socialists then started a war with Russia for Finland, dragged with them Germany, and together we occupied all the way to the -stans.:D But then USA and GB intervened in this WW2 (first I didn't participate in, but it was between mostly the same people, with Germany winning big) and destroyed us.:( All of Scandinavia occupied, most of Germany. Ended with me losing half of Denmark (I was Scandinavia) and Germany lost some of Prussia. Worse, my entire army and navy got deleted by the disarmament treaty and Commies rose.:eek: Thank God I had some mobilized troops available! Germany fell to the Commies, asked to get back into an alliance and I stupidly agreed. They promptly DoWed the UK, allied to Russia and USA, so I had to decline. That sent me down in prestige, and I am due to lose my GP status soon.:(

tl;dr: Don't go to war against stong enemies, even with a super strong ally.;)
 
It's not, basically. As Denmark is sphered by the NGF I can't get that. If I want to form Scandinavia I feel I am going to have to keep an eye out for opportunities to exploit possible conflicts between NGF, France, Russia, and Austria.

You can steal Denmark from their sphere if you commit fully to it using the influence system - the only thing you can't help is puppets [without war]. Just remember, the more countries you focus influence on, the less goes to each one.
 
The AI can sometimes be braindead with sphering. Especially since NGF has the southern states to work with too. Basically, study their behaviour
Not many German states left in this game. Without the game open rigt now Germany is, I think, split between NGF, Austria, and Bavria. There may be one or two other small southern states, but I am fairly certain no more.

Good that you finally attained the great power status and looks set to keep it! Have you started trying to influence Denmark or some other countries to put them in your sphere?
Influence ... see below.

Liberals gone! Mission accomplished.:D My game, I got to the 1890s before the Conservatives lost, to the Socialists. Those Socialists then started a war with Russia for Finland, dragged with them Germany, and together we occupied all the way to the -stans.:D But then USA and GB intervened in this WW2 (first I didn't participate in, but it was between mostly the same people, with Germany winning big) and destroyed us.:( All of Scandinavia occupied, most of Germany. Ended with me losing half of Denmark (I was Scandinavia) and Germany lost some of Prussia. Worse, my entire army and navy got deleted by the disarmament treaty and Commies rose.:eek: Thank God I had some mobilized troops available! Germany fell to the Commies, asked to get back into an alliance and I stupidly agreed. They promptly DoWed the UK, allied to Russia and USA, so I had to decline. That sent me down in prestige, and I am due to lose my GP status soon.:(

tl;dr: Don't go to war against stong enemies, even with a super strong ally.;)
What an exciting time for the Norse-folk!

I doubt there will be such hijinks here, but one never knows.

You can steal Denmark from their sphere if you commit fully to it using the influence system - the only thing you can't help is puppets [without war]. Just remember, the more countries you focus influence on, the less goes to each one.
And lo, this AAR is well-titled. After reading these comments I have read up a bit on influence. Didn't even realise it was something one needed to allocate. 4 years of influence un-used, as it were. Oh well, this AAR is titled as it is for a reason :) I call that mission-success.



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Update will be next week sometime. My daughter's birthday and party this weekend, so hoping to play the next five years sometime between now and Tuesday, and write it up no later than Wednesday.