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Dear Johan, Paradox, and fellow gamers,

I write this because of late, many of the threads and comments in these forums have taken on a negative tone, and I believe it is once again time to remember why it is we all started playing Paradox games in the first place.

On one level, all of us here probably love history. I have played many games by many companies in my day, but none so accurately reflect history as those by Paradox. The events included in Victoria are many and they are detailed, and the research that went into the allocation and placement of ethnic groups astounds me. The quality is evident in the nature of the criticisms. I do not deny that finding that there are too many Poles in Posen is good cause for a gripe, but let us not forget that we’re lucky to find a game that actually goes into that kind of detail at all. Even in the events, the criticisms speak to the nature of Paradox’s achievement. So the American purchase of Alaska was not included. So it’s hard to unify Italy. There are three (Three!) ways to unify Germany. There are events leading to the creation of a civilized Japan, China, and Persia. There are events leading to all the major wars during the game period, from the Franco-Prussian to the Crimean to the Boer and the Spanish-American. I believe this is definitely a laudable achievement for any company, and especially for one that is the size of Paradox.

Second, though we love history, we also play these games so we can get satiate our innate desires to change history. Therefore, we ask for a game that can balance history with ambition. We want a game that can accurately allow Bolivia to secede from Peru and yet also make it possible for a talented player to take over Japan with Mexico. This is exactly the game Paradox has delivered to us, and for that, I thank them.

Third, with their long experience in making these sorts of games, Paradox has undoubtedly realized that it cannot satisfy all its customers. This is why it has gone to great lengths to make its game code easily modable. I have absolutely no experience in writing code in any language, and yet I can read well the text in the event files. Victoria even comes with a built-in party editor. We should all thank Paradox for not only giving us great games, but also with providing us the tools to make them even better for ourselves and for our own personalized, discriminating tastes.

Yes, Victoria has some bugs, and yes, it has some issues. But I ask all of you to think for a moment about all you do in a typical minute of Victoria. How many buttons do you click? How many units move across your screen? How many kinds of factories and goods do you scroll through? If, after all of this working correctly, you can still feel justified in complaining that the Suez Canal event is badly designed then go ahead, but remember all the things that work before you go around criticizing a game that, for something so mind-bendingly complicated, works brilliantly.

I am in no way suggesting that we should stop our criticism of Paradox or of its games, but this criticism should be constructive, and, at the very least, it should be polite towards those who have poured so many hours into the game. Paradox provides us a service that no one else can give, and, though we may pull out our hair when eight provinces return to their owner’s control because of 10,000-man partisan units, we have to keep in mind that at least we have partisans to fight. I’d rather deal with ten million partisans than have to go back to the water of other games after having tasted the nectar of Victoria.

On a personal note, Victoria was not only the first Paradox game I purchased, but also the first real-time strategy game I ever bought. I had been raised on classics like Civilization and Imperialism, and I always denied that anyone could model the complexity I desired in a real-time format. I was very, very wrong.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a plea. I implore you to recognize that in Paradox we have something special—a group a programmers willing to sit through the long hours and make the kinds of games no one else is willing to make. It is games that like this that drove me to study history, politics, and geography, and as a college student, I am now studying for a career in the foreign service. This is all thanks to people such as those in Paradox, people who know how to grab the attention of the historically-minded gamer and take the fascination to the extreme. Remember that Paradox is made up of people just like you and me, who, really, just want to play a great game.

Therefore, I think that in spite of all the criticisms, all the negative posts, all the bad reviews and complaints and frustrated threads, we should all give Paradox, the moderators, the beta testers, and especially Johan, a sincere thank-you.

Thank you all,
Memnon
 

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So true

Even if every baby is the perfection for his own parents, he will in fact show many flaws while growing in age.
Unlikely Paradox's games only improve as time goes that is why I'm nursing them every nights and days.

Thanks to the proud mumy of those little jewels.
 

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Excellent job done!:)

No further comments!
 

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Thank YOU! I have spent many hours playing Europa Universalis and Hearts of Iron. They were both satisfying, along with Victoria, although all of them can be made better to my personal liking, they have come closest to perfect. I have probably spent more type playing Paradox games than the games of any other game maker (with the exception of Humongous Entertainment with their Backyard Series which I haven't been into in years.)

I think EU is my favorite because I played it first. Once again, Thank you very much.
 

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Memnon said:
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Yes, Victoria has some bugs, and yes, it has some issues. But I ask all of you to think for a moment about all you do in a typical minute of Victoria. How many buttons do you click? How many units move across your screen? How many kinds of factories and goods do you scroll through? If, after all of this working correctly, you can still feel justified in complaining that the Suez Canal event is badly designed then go ahead, but remember all the things that work before you go around criticizing a game that, for something so mind-bendingly complicated, works brilliantly.
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Since you asjed Yes I think i can feel justified in complaining about the game. Your entire thread has white washed the real issue of most complaints not all as some are rather petty, but most complaints are directed at the fact critical bugs (IE BUGS THAT CAUSE CRASHES OR FREEZING) were released. These bugs should never be released in a game. Most people arent complaigning because the Suez events suck. Most people who are voicing their displeasure are fed up with buying games that are either incomplete or buggy as hell with CTD bugs or have fundemental balance issues. I dont think people would mind if a RGO or factory had a bug that removed all their workers on a given date or after a DOW. But people do care that the game crashes or that the economy is not balanced.

Now Paradox did the right thing but concentrating their patches on fixing the critical bugs and not on getting the economy balanced. I'm not going to praise them for such a move. The bugs Shouldnt have been there. We arent talking about a minor error in an event. These bugs are not serious but CRASHES ARE.

White washing the seriousness of the state of Victoria out of the box isnt going to change the fact that Paradox is releasing games that are not up to decent standards out of the box. This whole release now fix later mentality has so numbed the computer game buying public that they are willing to settle for shotty workmanship. i have many other hobbies than this and i would be pissed if they had the same attitude. I dont want to have to return to a hobbie store 4 or 5 times before things are up to snuff.

You may want to praise paradox, but many of us want better from paradox. Many people LIE or at best exaggerate about the cost for teh "perfect" game. But thats not what we are asking for. Victoria 1.02 is stable so if this is the case why wasnt it delayed ever so slighly to fix it? Christmas. This pisses me off more. It tells me that quality is second to money. The christmass rush is not reason to release a game. You should release a game BECAUSE its finished, not because you HAVE to make the christmas rush. Delay doesnt have a direct corelation to lost revenue. This is something people cant seem to grasp. had HOI been delayed then victoria would have done better in sales. Most customers of computer games judge a game from its condition out of the box. Hell the gaming industry knows that most cunsumers dont use patches either because they just are aware, dont have access , files are too large for dial-up or just dont understand the need. Hell most people dont patch windows let alone games.

With this knowledge you have to wonder why Paradox would release a game like HOI and they deliberatly allowed the rumour to flurish that their pulisher strategy first was to blame. They didnt start the rumour but they didnt put the rumour to rest when they knew it was untrue. Victoria was also released with problems when it didnt have to be. And given the fact that Paradox knows most gamers DONT use patches why do they make games that dont stand up out of the box.

I dont blame you for supporting paradox. I in turn feel that EU2 is the best game ever made but that doesnt give the company that made it a "by". I praise them when they get things right but they are getting things wrong more and more. And where they get things wrong is not their ideas or game mechanics they get things wrong is in their desicions to release games with critical bugs or not even finish. It will likely take one more patch before victoria is in a state that it should have been released in. In terms of its critical bugs and balance issues. And at 1.03 it will be in a better than release state because of all the minor bugs that i could careless where release (not to say they are things that shouldnt be addressed. Just saying these types of bugs happen in all games and dont cause play to stop or ruin the game they are simply annoying but their being fix puts 1.03 in a better than release status had all the critical bugs and Balance issues been fixed).

So long as paradox has this policy they will enrage a given group of players and a given portions of those enraged players are going to voice their displeasure. I dont begrudge you your thread but i do find it a white wash of the problems that victoria has out of the box or currently with economic issues.
 

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Vicky is still a jolly good child, and can only grow in warmth and appeal... ;)
 

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Belissarius,

I'm very sorry if my comments frustrated you. I can assure you it was not my intent to ridicule or ignore the comments of anyone in this forum. I hoped that this thread would remain positive, sort of as a way for people to remind Paradox that, in spite of the errors and the bugs and the complaints, that they were stil respected and admired as a company. Unfortunately, that hope has now come to naught, but I respect your opinions as I respect all others' in this forum.

My letter was about respect. That is all. Maybe it's because I'm a Southerner or a Texan, but I take offense blatant acts of dismissal or ridicule for any reason. Of course, I do not mean to indicate that that is what you were arguing for, but it was the tone I had felt from many recent threads. All I wished to do was start a small thread where people could say thank you to Paradox for all their efforts--even if, as you postulate, they were only in vain.

Once more allow me to reiterate that I hold no animosity towards you. Please, fell free to say whatever you want here, and I will not take offense. I am sad, though, that you feel like I "white-washed" the errors in the game. I hesitate to say this here, but I still play on 1.01, and I have my own reasons to be annoyed with 1.02, but this is not the time or the place for those comments.

I would just like to see coments be constructive, and working towards bettering the game.

Paradox is a small company with limited resources operating in an extremely competitive marketplace. This corporation--more, I expect, than others in this field--is so strongly defined by the people leading it that they truly determine the nature of the company. Given this, I thought it best to remind the moderators, the beta-testers, and Johan that many of us, in spite of our comments, respect tham and their work, and that we respect the kinds of games they try to make.

That's all I wanted to say, and though many may complain, I'll hold fast to this as I hold onto my own life: Paradox deserves to be praised for their work, and I will never hesitate to be the first to give them a darn good pat on the back for it.

So, once more: Paradox, thank you.

Sincerely,
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Thank you Paradox for all your incredible games ...

Just forget the whiner that keep on squatting all the positive threads with nearly the same negative post ... and keep on releasing complex stategy games !
 

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Belissarius said:
, but most complaints are directed at the fact critical bugs (IE BUGS THAT CAUSE CRASHES OR FREEZING) were released.

What critical bugs are you talking about? All the current complaint threads are about balance or events.
 

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Spooky, You know what you can do with that 'whiner' comment don't you?

I didn't see him calling you a 'Sycophantic lapdog' Mate....So please, can the insults, or read Memnons posts to see how you should do things.

Darkrenown: Many have been saying they are suffering from CTD's many times, i myself have only suffered one, so lets instead give them the advice to post their computer Stats in the bug forum listing and tell the guys in charge where they get these CTD in the game, instead of baiting them or blindly defending.

Memnon, A very nice post, and i respect your intentions, but there have been many 'I love Paradox' threads going down lately, and im starting to wonder how much effect they are now having.

But by all means, i enjoy Paradox products as well, and that is why i am here, whether in 'whining'(i loathe this word for critics by the way) mode, giving constructive advice, or praising a particular part of their games.

See, it doesn't matter which way i am, each post is designed to be constructive in some way, and i refuse to believe that the educated men at paradox cannot see this.

There is a distinct difference between 'OMFG! YoUr GGGamE SUXXXoRs!!! you bunch of F@^%......etc' and ' I don't agree with so and so, surely a better way to do this would be blah blah....and perhaps this could work with option b...'.

The second option is what is more than often said by all here, including Belisarrius.
 

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Belissarius said:
With this knowledge you have to wonder why Paradox would release a game like HOI and they deliberatly allowed the rumour to flurish that their pulisher strategy first was to blame. They didnt start the rumour but they didnt put the rumour to rest when they knew it was untrue. Victoria was also released with problems when it didnt have to be. And given the fact that Paradox knows most gamers DONT use patches why do they make games that dont stand up out of the box.
One question: Do you really think that Paradox can hold back a release if the Publisher says "Go!"?
 

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Spooky, You know what you can do with that 'whiner' comment don't you?

I didn't see him calling you a 'Sycophantic lapdog' Mate....So please, can the insults, or read Memnons posts to see how you should do things.

Darkrenown: Many have been saying they are suffering from CTD's many times, i myself have only suffered one, so lets instead give them the advice to post their computer Stats in the bug forum listing and tell the guys in charge where they get these CTD in the game, instead of baiting them or blindly defending.

Memnon, A very nice post, and i respect your intentions, but there have been many 'I love Paradox' threads going down lately, and im starting to wonder how much effect they are now having.

But by all means, i enjoy Paradox products as well, and that is why i am here, whether in 'whining'(i loathe this word for critics by the way) mode, giving constructive advice, or praising a particular part of their games.

See, it doesn't matter which way i am, each post is designed to be constructive in some way, and i refuse to believe that the educated men at paradox cannot see this.

There is a distinct difference between 'OMFG! YoUr GGGamE SUXXXoRs!!! you bunch of F@^%......etc' and ' I don't agree with so and so, surely a better way to do this would be blah blah....and perhaps this could work with option b...'.

The second option is what is more than often said by all here, including Belisarrius.

Well, it happens that I work in the software industry and we release a patch about every 6-8 weeks because :
- we want to introduce new features (thanks to the customers' feed-back)
- we need to correct a few generic bugs (ie : display bug, ...)
- our software doesn't seem to work well on some new PCs (ie : because of new chipset !) so we have to "tune" it in order to work well with these new PCs

And we only have a few hundreds corporate customers !

Victoria is about 10x more complex with thousands customers !!!!! ... and free upgrades :) ... so patches seem to be a way of life for complex softwares.

I do not believe that Johan (and Paradox) are that happy to release 'buggy' games such as HOI 1.0 or Vicky 1.0 ... but as a company, they really do not have a choice : they need the money from their publishers ... and a 6 months delay means 6 months without fresh cash :( a fate few companies can afford !

HOI 1.0 (and 1.01) was really a buggy product ... but HOI 1.05c is good and HOI 1.06 + Core Mod should be great. Vicky 1.01 was a good game without too many bugs, 1.02 is very interesting to play with nearly no CTD bugs .. . and 1.03 is coming in a few weeks !

So the situation at the moment : complex game with a few bugs ... but with an excellent post-sales support (patches) by Johan is probably the best compromise ... unless somebody can bring 1 million US$ to Paradox AND provides as much users' feedback as the whole users of this forum ... or Paradox manages to switch to some "Stardock-like" direct/indirect sales à la GalCiv (sold directly via Internet and through publishers and retailers)
 

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HOI 1.0 (and 1.01) was really a buggy product ... but HOI 1.05c is good and HOI 1.06 + Core Mod should be great. Vicky 1.01 was a good game without too many bugs, 1.02 is very interesting to play with nearly no CTD bugs .. . and 1.03 is coming in a few weeks !

Exactly why He needs to go to the bugs forum and place his computer specs on it so that paradox can hopefully find the issue.

HOI 1.0 (and 1.01) was really a buggy product ... but HOI 1.05c is good and HOI 1.06 + Core Mod should be great. Vicky 1.01 was a good game without too many bugs, 1.02 is very interesting to play with nearly no CTD bugs .. . and 1.03 is coming in a few weeks !

I agree with this mostly, apart from myself thinking that some parts of 1.02 are not overly interesting due to things i have already complained about.

So the situation at the moment : complex game with a few bugs ... but with an excellent post-sales support (patches) by Johan is probably the best compromise ... unless somebody can bring 1 million US$ to Paradox AND provides as much users' feedback as the whole users of this forum ... or Paradox manages to switch to some "Stardock-like" direct/indirect sales à la GalCiv (sold directly via Internet and through publishers and retailers)

I do think that they should look into the direct sales approach, after analysing how big a share of the market they currently have, and the ages and so forth of their consumers...but this will mean more money direct to Paradox than for the Distributors that have let them down badly.

Sorry about having a crack about your whining comment, but i think its not necessary to say such things to people that make posts that at least make sense.
 

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  • Cities: Skylines
  • Magicka
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Sengoku
  • Victoria 2
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Cities: Skylines Deluxe Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Pride of Nations
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Cities: Skylines - Snowfall
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Commander: Conquest of the Americas
  • East India Company
  • Ancient Space
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • For the Motherland
  • Hearts of Iron III
Opening line - Paradox makes quality product.

I write software for a living as well. It is rather well known that 1.0 product is buggier than 1.1 product and further, 1.2 product. I don't think that in its praise that this thread is flame bait, so engaging as such is not productive, that is for another thread please. As an offering to the public, this game rocks and is going to keep getting better.

Thank you Paradox!
 

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AHHHHHHHHHHHhh not another one of these useless topics, Im sorry but they do their job to get paid, they are lucky to have a job making games IMO that they actually enjoy. Every game made has ppl complaning about something, its just paradox offers these forums and a lot of ppl take the time to voice their anger or dislike.