A Suggestion for Techs

[Grand Historian]

I would like to suggest the addition of a few new techgroups, and changes to some existing ones:

Suggestions for New Techgroups:

Iranian: +50% Tech Cost, 80% Cavalry Ratio, Initial Tech Level 3
East African: +60% Tech Cost, 60% Cavalry Ratio, Initial Tech Level 2
Indochinese: +70% Tech Cost, 50% Cavalry Ratio, Initial Tech Level 3
Siberian: +250% Tech Cost, 50% Cavalry Ratio, Initial Tech Level 1

Suggested Changes for existing Techgroups:

Indian: +55% Tech Cost (+5% Tech Cost), 60% Cavalry Ratio (+10% Ratio)
Sub-Saharan: +80% Tech Cost (+20% Tech Cost)

Iranian can solve a few issues: such as nations like the mainly sedentary Timurids and semi-sedentary Qara Qoyunlu having technological and militaristic penalties of truly nomadic nations like the Oirat and Mongolia, and other nations like the isolated Baluchistan and Khorsan being as advanced as the Mamluks or Morocco.

East African is obvious; it can solve this issue of the East African Nations either being stuck in the Indian or Muslim groups, which most belong in neither, and would give a tech group to put the east African units in. Indochinese follows a similar line of thought; Indochina and Indonesia were not as advanced as either China or India technologically, and it would allow them to have their own units.

Indian was bumped slightly because they weren't much more advanced than China, and it would give Iranian a historical edge. Likewise, Elephants and Cavalry played a larger part in Indian armies than is represented in game. Sub-Saharan having the same technological handicap as China, on the other hand, is somewhat laughable. Siberian speaks for itself.

Now, with that said, I would like to suggest a more radical change: cutting up the initial 3 Techs into 5. 3 doesn't really serve to exemplify the differences very well: Andean and Mesoamerican have the same starting tech as North and South American, and Chinese is stuck on the same level as Sub Saharan. So, if we were to go through with this admittedly radical change, the starting techs, including the suggested ones, would probably look something like this:

Western: 5
Eastern: 5
Anatolian: 5
Muslim/Arabic: 4
Iranian: 3
Indian: 3
Chinese: 4
Indochinese: 3
Nomad: 3
East African: 3
Sub-Saharan: 2
Mesoamerican: 2
Andean: 2
North American: 1
South American: 1
Siberian: 1

Opinions?

 

[Zehir]

Well, cutting starting techs is good idea. It could represent the start better than current setting. But on the other hand, some people could complain that primitives are even more impossible. And the what bonuses should those technologies give?

And Persia would be in Iranian or Muslim group? Safavid Empire had it's good times, so Iranian tech group could harm it.

 

[talilu]

I would also want Crimea in Ottoman tech group. Crimeans were in close contact with Ottomans all the time and they lagging behind their best buddies like they were some horde in Siberia makes no sense.

 

[Grand Historian]

Well, cutting starting techs is good idea. It could represent the start better than current setting. But on the other hand, some people could complain that primitives are even more impossible. And the what bonuses should those technologies give?

And Persia would be in Iranian or Muslim group? Safavid Empire had it's good times, so Iranian tech group could harm it.

True, but general consensus is nigh impossible to come by. And, I could also argue that it would make certain primitives, mainly Andean and Mesoamericans, easier to play as well. I can't really say anything on what the tech should give, mainly because I'm more focused on seeing if it could be possible, but it would probably require a rework/rebalance of the early techs. Oh well, at least it would open up the possibility of having another Unit Model.

 

[metallicania]

I think western tech should start with tech 4 while chinese,anatolian and eastern should be 5. 1444 is not really a great time for western tech compared to the others. They will effectively surpass the others after 1600s anyway. That would also be good bonus for eastern and anatolian techs to develop their provinces.
Other than that, I agree that techs need a serious change.

 

[Mattius]

I would also want Crimea in Ottoman tech group. Crimeans were in close contact with Ottomans all the time and they lagging behind their best buddies like they were some horde in Siberia makes no sense.

The issue is that without the tech group, they lose out on their hordedom. Also, the group is called Anatolian, right?

 

[Mattius]

I always thought it strange that China, which should be one of the most technologically advanced nations at the start of the game, starts off so backwards. Also, why no Japanese tech group?

 

[Grand Historian]

I always thought it strange that China, which should be one of the most technologically advanced nations at the start of the game, starts off so backwards. Also, why no Japanese tech group?

Because the Japanese were similar enough technologically to the Chinese that it would be redundant. It's like asking for Russian Tech Group from Eastern or a Dravidian Tech Group from Indian.

 

[jesterkingclown]

There should be a Great Plains Tribes Tech group that is the same as North American Tech group save 100% cav, to account for their use of cavalry tactics starting in the 1700's with the Comanche who would attack and raid with only cavalry forces.

 

[forrseti]

I like it more tech groups would balance the world a bit better. Eastern tech Sapmi or Morocco same tech as Baluchistan?

 

[Grand Historian]

I like it more tech groups would balance the world a bit better. Eastern tech Sapmi or Morocco same tech as Baluchistan?

Or Kamchamdals same tech as Timurids.