A speculative guide on how to restore the most gloriouse Byzantine Empire #romefan

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A speculative guide on how to restore the most gloriouse Byzantine Empire #romefan

Background

So, after looking through all the facts about the new game and the statistics about the byzantines and ottomans I have compiled a speculative guide on how hard restoring rome will be in EU4.


Plan

In the new 1444 start the ottmans start with more ships than Byzantium but this will not remain a problem for long, use the large amount of trade power and taxes constantinople has + loans if nessecery to quickly build up a superior naval force to the Ottomans. While the initial building cost will be large ships are dirt cheep in terms of upkeep so this will not be hard to do. From the videos we have seen we know the AI likes to hold its forces in a massive doomhorde, wait untill this horde crosses the Strait of Marmara into Anatolia and then strike (this is the classic strategy in eu3 for taking down the Ottomans).
Spread your pathetic army across all of the Ottoman European holdings, you have a forcelimit of 8 so this is easy to do while still having men spare to hold of there orthodox vassals. After you have seiged all their provinces wait untill their war exhastion has reached max before declaring peace, take as many of their european holdings as you can (usualy all but edirne) and liberate any european vassals.

Congratulations, the hardest part is done, it only gets easier from here. I calculate that you will have a higher forcelimit that the Ottomans due to having more provinces and rich basetax Constantinople (this is also how it worked in eu3). We now want to secure your position in the balkans by allying with the recently released vassals and gaining controll of Athens, Crete, Naxos and Rhodes through use of funding rebels. Controlling these provinces won't only boost your income and forcelimit but will also give you more trade power, allowing you to dominate there respective trade nodes (Constantinople, Ragusta).

Your time has now come, you will have a larger force than the Ottomans and willing allies (slaves) to help you in the war. Declare war on the Ottomans and crush then with your superior force, make sure you have a good general as the Ottomans have some deadly national ideas and superior technology on there side. Win the war and annex the Ottomans remenants. You have a rough time ahead of you but the worst is over.

Who needs technology? Spend all your monarch points on changing religion and culture in your recently conquered provinces. Byzantium has an intresting NI that lowers revolt risk in orthodox provinces, so after the heathens have beenconverted your life will be much easier. The turkish beys will form a coallition against you, don't worry though, you can easily defeat all of them. After doing this, go through the same process as with the Ottomans above.

Many people would be tempted to go for the (likely) Byzantine missions to annex Italy and the Balkans but I don't recommend it yet. All the italian minors will have powerfull allies and will be very hard to conquer with your current tech (which is rather poor due to spending it all on conversion) The balkans are poor and the trade node there points away from Constantinople. It would be far more beneficial to controll Alexandria and shuffel trade from there up to Constantinople. There are other reasons to go for Aegyptus, they will have terrible technology just like you, and have no strong allies to intervene.
Smash the Mamluks, with a good cassus beli you can annex the whole lot in two wars. Don't try and change culture its too much effort, just core the territory and convert then to orthodoxy for your neat bonuses.

At this point the world is your oyster, consider destroying Venice to cement your hold on the east medeteranian trade nodes. Try taking out Italy and try to catch up and westernise. Hopefully the Byzantines have an easier path to this than most through a special desicion, if not then you will have to go through the same pain as everyone else.

Try taking over trade nodes in the indian sea and direct trade to Alexandria rather than around the cape of good hope. for some intresting fun try colonising the coast of africa and indonesia as an extra way to expand.

National Ideas (with help from Emperor Marcus)

Offensive Ideas will help you defeat the Ottomans and the Mamluks, pivk these up first.
Economic Ideas will help to pay for a growing army.
Trade Ideas will help you controll the eastern mediteranian nodes and funnel trade through Alexandria instead of Africa.
Lastly consider Expansion/Exploration for late game Colonialism.
 
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Sorry if there are spelling mistakes in this. Im not going through my wall of text correcting them.
 

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If you noticed I said attack the Ottomans before anything else. After taking there European holding you don't need to use the strait strategy.
 

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If you noticed I said attack the Ottomans before anything else. After taking there European holding you don't need to use the strait strategy.


No that seems wasteful. Because they start with a war with Albania that distracts them for the first few years, and then you need to hope/lure their doomstack into Anatolia for your plan to work.

Such a thing like that will take years. Years you can spend at war wtih the Knights and gobbling up other smaller nations to prepare for the war with the ottomans. to build up your naval and land force limit to make it not such a gamble. Not to mention more time to build alliances.
 

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No that seems stupid. Because they start with a war with Albania that distracts them for the first few years, and then you need to hope/lure their doomstack into Anatolia for your plan to work.

Such a thing like that will take years. Years you can spend at war wtih the Knights and gobbling up other smaller nations to prepare for the war with the ottomans. to build up your naval and land force limit to make it not such a gamble. Not to mention more time to build alliances.

Years to build up your fleet to match the Ottomans and to build your army up to your full force limit. Oddly enough this always worked for me in eu3, I see no difference in how it will work in eu4, it will even be easier as your forcelimit is higher in comparison to the Ottomans than it was in eu3
 

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Quill's latest video showed Serbia isn't an OE vassal, presumably the same is true of Wallachia.

A lot depends on the new AI which isn't a feature of any of the preview videos.
 

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Looking at the map though for a bit taking Trebizond might not be such a bad idea... it doesn't share a border with the Ottomans (at least at first) so thats one province in Anatolia you could take that would be relatively safe from the ottomans on the Anatolian side and get you some more tax revenue and men to fight with.
 

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Yes, the trickiest part will be winning the first war -- after that things should get easier. I agree with Emperor Marcus that while waiting to time the first war, it might be helpful to snag a couple of provinces like Trebizond or Athens, and most importantly get some alliances in place. The Ottomans might build up their fleet as well however... and will they get any alliances of their own?

What about getting mercenaries vs regular troops? Your manpower is not that great; Administrative Ideas might also help with mercenary recruitment.
 

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Ya allying with both of them probably be one of the first thing ill do. That and try to ally with Hungry and Georgia...
I'm wary of either allying with Georgia or taking Trebizond, both have some unsavoury neighbours and I really wouldn't want to get dragged into a war with someone in that theatre.

I was thinking about NIs and taking an Admin one first isn't so good; I'd rather rush for Admin tech 7 and the second slot. Offensive is good but if Konstantinos has scripted stats as a general then the first few levels seem obsolete for the first years of the game. So how about Naval?

+1 to Naval morale is huge as the first in that chain and the third doubles your naval forcelimits. Given how early strategy depends on dominating the OE navy this could work, no? It could also open the potential for direct conflict with Venice and their possessions in the islands.

If you are lucky you can get Admin 7 tech by Konstantinos' death and immediately put saved up mil points into Offensive.
 

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For allies, getting one of Hungary or Austria, or maybe Venice would be the most helpful I would think. However, they're all Catholic -- not many good Orthodox choices. Is there a maximum number of allies? If there is getting Serbia or Wallachia might even be counterproductive.

Also if you do manage to get allied with Austria, I noticed that it tends to attack Venice right off the bat. You might be able to get some of their islands.
 

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For allies, getting one of Hungary or Austria, or maybe Venice would be the most helpful I would think. However, they're all Catholic -- not many good Orthodox choices. Is there a maximum number of allies? If there is getting Serbia or Wallachia might even be counterproductive.

Venice is never gonna be my ally. Rather ally with Genoa. They hold greek land plus are responsible for the 4th Crusade.
 

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Yes, the trickiest part will be winning the first war -- after that things should get easier. I agree with Emperor Marcus that while waiting to time the first war, it might be helpful to snag a couple of provinces like Trebizond or Athens, and most importantly get some alliances in place. The Ottomans might build up their fleet as well however... and will they get any alliances of their own?

What about getting mercenaries vs regular troops? Your manpower is not that great; Administrative Ideas might also help with mercenary recruitment.

The Ottoman AI was never very naval focused in eu3, it rarely reached and never suppased its naval forcelimit. If i remember correctly from eu3 there naval forcelimit was only slighlty higher than Byzantiums, I see no reason it would be different now in eu4. However even if it is far higher the Ottomans won't be spending money like water to build ships unlike you, especialy considering they start in a war.
I don't like mercenary troops as I consider them an unesseccery waste of money compared to normal troops, you only need to use them if your plan fails. My plans rarely fail (unlike my spelling :p).

I never ally with Venice, not only for thematic reasons (4th crusade) but becuase they always backstabb me and I imagine they will be your rivals with trade in eu4.
 

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Bzantium survival Guide - Conquer knights, crypus, crete, aegean, make a navy, Stay away from the green army.
 

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That's a good point.... my worry is that in quill's video, I did notice that Denmark really built-up their navy. They had something like 40+ ships.

Regarding Venice, I agree they might not be the best ally. They have limited land-army, will probably will get crushed by Austria, and they'll be your rival later on. But they're probably the third best choice -- which reflects the lack of options.
 
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That's a good point.... my worry is that in quill's video, I did notice that Denmark really built-up their navy. They had something like 40+ ships.

Yeah, but in the video with france look how much they build up there navy, they had like 12 ships in total at there height of power. Even though they more than likely has a higher force-limit.