A song of Ice and Fire - Help in making the Map

[performer]

That's pretty easy, we just set the terrain to "none" in the db/provinces.csv. Finish the map first, than we can discuss which provinces can be blocked.

Oh, does anybody knows if shipping can also be blocked by giving a province no ports? Which influence does have ports? Or does it make sense to remove the seazone of a province, so an army can't send ships from and to?

 

[I Killed Kenny]

this shall ( I hope ) be the final MAP

 

[Zanza]

The Northenland's should not be PTI, if someone can *really* unite Westeros, he should have a chance to control the Northenlands.

We don't know enough about the lands beyond the Wall and the Others to really make a good simulation IMHO.

 

[Nyrael]

Westeros in CK... I never even dreamt I would see something so beautiful...

BTW, Skaagos should be on three parts, rules by counties Crowl, Magnar and Stane.

Also, will you make your own coats of arms or might www.westeros.org borrow them?

 

[Skyman]

Great stuff, map's looking very nice.

It is Acorn Hall though, according to the map in the book and westeros.org (the best site for SoIaF info).

Also I think Oldstones should be one word.

 

[Nyrael]

BTW, when will be the start date?

Also, if there is somehow I could help please ask.

 

[I Killed Kenny]

@ Zanza, the far north is PTI
@ Nyrael, the north already has lot's of provinces I don't think we should had anything more, I am planing in using westeros.org.
And I'm thinking about right about the start of the book. I don't know if I should already divided the Kingdoms, or make them united under Robert. Well, right now I just want to finish the map and make it work
@Skyman, The map is finished, right now I just need to connect the provinces and catch the 23131312 bugs I'll have.

 

[Skyman]

I'm wondering if there's a way to slow down the passage of time, since the books take place over just a few years rather than centuries. Or is it just going to start with the books, but ignore the Others, etc. and have the main characters die and their children continue the fighting, etc.

 

[I Killed Kenny]

I'm wondering if there's a way to slow down the passage of time, since the books take place over just a few years rather than centuries. Or is it just going to start with the books, but ignore the Others, etc. and have the main characters die and their children continue the fighting, etc.

well, the Hardcode right now is open, so if someone know's how to do it...

 

[Nyrael]

And I'm thinking about right about the start of the book. I don't know if I should already divided the Kingdoms, or make them united under Robert. Well, right now I just want to finish the map and make it work

IMO, they should start as duchies but get an event that lets them choose:
1. Stay loyal to the Iron Throne
2. Declare independence (from where lateryou can become a vassal of stronger kingdom (thus becoming alternative to option 3 if it can't be implented))
3. Change the liege (if this is possible to implent)

As for the passage of time, I think it should stay as it is. It is true that books happen in few months but all their succeses can be accomplished in teh same timeframe

On Daenerys issue: this should be added in patch or something becasue we don't know what shall happen. In otehr words, this should be ignored for now, including the Other treat.

 

[Skyman]

The most technically accurate choice would be to have them all as duchies, and then Robb would claim the king title for King in the North, which would cause him to declare independence... unfortunately that wouldn't give him the Riverlands unless you made them part of the North, which would be odd. And if you had king titles for all the regions any of them could declare independence.

As Nyrael suggested though an event might be the best way to go.

Or you could have them all as kingdoms (with an Iron Throne trait for Robert), which would probably represent the level of independence they have for most of the books better... only real issues there are the titles, and the fact that the AI probably wouldn't make very logical alliances.

 

[I Killed Kenny]

I'm thinking about making them all Duchies. With Robert with the Title of all the 7 Kingdoms.
Those Duchies should be exactly the same size of the Kingdoms.

If anyone knows any duchies that could be formed tell me.

Also, in the beginning of the Book what is the House that controls Harrenhall?

 

[Skyman]

One duchy might be the Dornish Marches, although I think that only includes Nightsong and Blackhaven (the Carons would be dukes, Dondarrion is a vassal of theirs I believe). I was never really sure if the Marches included any of the Reach as well though.

House Whent rules Harrenhall at the beginning.

edit: One more name issue if you're gonna do any edits later, it's Shipbreaker Bay rather than Shipwrecker.

 

[performer]

Isn't there an ASOIAF wiki or encyclopedia?

 

[Skyman]

Westeros.org has nice sections on the regions, as well as a 'heraldry' section that lists every house mentioned in the books along with location/arms, etc. if available. It also has a wiki at http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page

Hmm, so one issue would be that if there are duchies within each kingdom, but say the Tyrells are simply dukes, then any other duchies in the Reach won't be vassals to them.

 

[performer]

So, there are two possible ways:

CK county = ASOIAF lordship
CK duchy = kingdoms
CK king = iron throne

or:

CK county = ASOIAF lordship
CK duchy = ASOIAF higher lordships
CK king = kingdoms and iron throne

 

[Nyrael]

Hmm, so one issue would be that if there are duchies within each kingdom, but say the Tyrells are simply dukes, then any other duchies in the Reach won't be vassals to them.

Other duchies in Reach could be powerful Counts with more land then an average county. Not enough to be a Duke, but enough to usurp the title should there be a chance. So Florents could use a situation and become the new Duke of Reach.

 

[I Killed Kenny]

So, right now I have a problem porting the map.

I am PMing Jamie to try to find out what is happening. But the majority of the hard work is done.

until Jamie and I can solve that problem I shall think about other aspects of this MOD.

I am making the CoA using the wonderful westeros.org site.

but I have some places that simply don't have a CoA, this is the list:

Stormland:
Summerhall

Reach:
Oldtown
The Reach
Goldengrove

Westerlands:
Lannisport

Dragonstone:
Dragonstone

Kingslanding:
Kingslanding
kingswood

Riverlands:
Stoney Sept
high heart ( appers to be a ruined place)
oldstones ( is just a ruined castle, Mudd were former kings)

vale:
sunkenwood
bloody gate

The North:
Moat Cailin ( a ruined Castle)
Ramsgate
(the image is offline) Last Hearth ( house of Umber) - A roaring giant, brown-haired and wearing a skin, with broken silver chains, on flame-red
Skargos (I'm thinking about using one of the 3 CoA that are presented westeros.org)
Lonely Hills ( I'm thinking about using one of the mountain clans CoA)
The mountains ( I'm thinking about using one of the mountain clans CoA)
The stoney Coast

The Wall ( I'm thinking about giving a totally black CoA )

All of the Behind the wall provinces ( if no one has a good idea I'm thinking about giving it CoA similar to CK's Africa )

This provinces are provinces without an House, or in some cases simply ruined places.

I think I should simply choose a random CoA and choose it.

If anyone has Ideas, better.

Also what should be the CoA of the king of Westeros?

 

[I Killed Kenny]

About religion:

Behind-the-wall ( Pagan/mongol)
Iron Islands ( Jewish)
Dragonstone (muslim) ( I need to know how to play with muslim nations)

&

North ( Orthodox)
South ( Catholic, With Oldtown being the PAP)

Or

North (Catholic, with the wall being the PAP )
South (Orthodox)

 

[I Killed Kenny]

About the size of the counties:

Everyone lord is one province size, the only exception is Torrehen's Square that controls the Stoney coast.

The places that are without a CoA ( the list I posted ), will be given to the Kings (dukes).

So this means that Dorne and Dragonstone and Iron islands, The Wall, Behind-the-wall will have 1 province each.
The Westerlands and the Stormlands, Kingslanding 2.
The Riverlands, The Vale and Winterfell have 3.