A Simple Way to Balance Dyson Spheres

[TwiceAHuman]

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This thread is not about changing something that's already in game(who might have guessed), but rather a suggestion about the mechanics that can be taken into consideration during the Utopia(tm) development.

Nope, I'm not going to propose some crazy formula like log(star surface in square km)*star type^FE mood today, or something like that. As the title suggests, here's a (surprisingly overlooked) idea how to make Dyson Spheres viable for everyone, everywhere. Firstly, the amount of energy created by this structure should be boosted by star's default energy output with some diminishing returns. A sphere on a 1 energy star would give 50 extra energy, 2 - 90 extra energy, 3 - 120, 4 - 140. That is not really overpowered, given the numbers we meddle with late game and also insures that you have some priorities for building these structures, while also not forcing the player to build them ONLY around high energy stars. There can be some moral dillemas like 200 energy or 320 energy and making some primitives freeze to death. The second and most important idea is to make repetitive research apply to dyson spheres. It's not a major buff, but it changes one thing: Dyson Spheres can no longer become obsolete in time.
So, what do you think?

EDIT: K I see where it's going, so... COME ON PEOPLE! CAN WE GET 50 DISLIKES?! If this thread reaches 50 dislikes milestone, I SWEAR that I will CHANGE my avatar picture to this: http://i.imgur.com/2BPXkHJ.png
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[speckbretzel]

Shouldn't we wait for the patch before we make change requests?

 

[Qoff]

You want to balance what exactly? The patch isn't even out yet and you want changes.

 

[TwiceAHuman]

Shouldn't we wait for the patch before we make change requests?

It's not a change request, it's a suggestion how to make them right BEFORE they may need any extra patching.

 

[smjjames]

Only problem with this is that not all stars have harvestable resources and the main problem with balancing is that it has to be balanced against other resource gathering buildings (including mining posts) and the Dyson spheres have to produce enough energy to make the cost worth it while not making them neccesary or exploitable.

There's an entire thread on this that is a ways back.

And the other posters are right here, we should see what it is when the patch and DLC come out, THEN we'll have an actual base to argue from about balancing.

The system you propose sounds like something that could work, but the question still remains, is 250 the amount of energy that makes it worth it?

 

[speckbretzel]

It's not a change request, it's a suggestion how to make them right BEFORE they may need any extra patching.

Before you even know if they are balanced in the first place. Patience you need, my young Padawan.

 

[Kat Tsun]

It's not a change request, it's a suggestion how to make them right BEFORE they may need any extra patching.

DLC is like a month from release. PDS wakes up to: "[Suggestion] Dyson Spheres need fixing, here's how!" and other balance optimizing/change request threads.

 

[smjjames]

Before you even know if they are balanced in the first place. Patience you need, my young Padawan.

Yep, while there is an entire thread discussing it, we have to wait and see what the devs choose, which will provide a benchpoint to ask 'is this number balanced? If not, then how much should it be changed?'

DLC is like a month from release. PDS wakes up to: "[Suggestion] Dyson Spheres need fixing, here's how!" and other balance optimizing/change request threads.

There's an entire other thread on this, I'm sure the devs are acutely aware that they have to balance it well.

We might get a chance to see a fully constructed Dyson sphere at some point in the dev streams. They did get started on one in one of the streams, although it was cheated in.

 

[TwiceAHuman]

The system you propose sounds like something that could work, but the question still remains, is 250 the amount of energy that makes it worth it?

Well, the default Wiz power (not finality intensifies) is 200, 50 is just an assumed bonus. Also, the core idea of dyson spheres seems to be that they are mineral inefficient, but don't waste your pops.

 

[TwiceAHuman]

Before you even know if they are balanced in the first place. Patience you need, my young Padawan.

Well, it's a suggestion. It's like food for thought, just an idea... Oh well, whatever. I guess people will just continue to say that I whine about the issues that are not in place yet no matter how I explain myself, so might as well not bother.

 

[EU3NOOB]

Well this thread went fast.


An efficient crushing of OP's hopes and dreams...

GOOD JOB!

 

[TwiceAHuman]

Well this thread went fast.


An efficient crushing of OP's hopes and dreams...

GOOD JOB!

I don't have any hopes and dreams to begin with, ye... Well, on the bright side I'm getting attention lol.

 

[TwiceAHuman]

Ah come on people, I know you have more dislikes in store let 'em out! We still need 42 for the milestone!

 

[smjjames]

Lol, you're certainly good humored about it @TwiceAHuman

 

[Vanhal]

If this thread reaches 50 dislikes milestone, I SWEAR that I will CHANGE my avatar picture to this: http://i.imgur.com/2BPXkHJ.png

Sorry to say this, but you can't do that too.

 

[TempusxX]

here is an idea how about waiting till the dlc and patch comes out before crying for balance

 

[TwiceAHuman]

here is an idea how about waiting till the dlc and patch comes out before crying for balance

Just don't forget to dislike! You can also report me for trolling/racism/rapist jokes, but that's optional.

 

[TwiceAHuman]

Sorry to say this, but you can't do that too.

I can and I will! Don't you judge me! I have turned people's principal inability to have a meaningful conversation, my frustration and this little deadborn thread into a FABULOUS LEISURE FOR EVERY WOMAN MAN AND CHILD! People will come far and wide to experience this! They will bring their families along! This will become a business! No, an INDUSTRY!

 

[prismaticmarcus]

I can and I will! Don't you judge me! I have turned people's principal inability to have a meaningful conversation, my frustration and this little deadborn thread into a FABULOUS LEISURE FOR EVERY WOMAN MAN AND CHILD! People will come far and wide to experience this! They will bring their families along! This will become a business! No, an INDUSTRY!

oh, pull your head in

 

[Sheriff Godwin Law]

Oh good, I was worried. An unbalanced dyson sphere is very likely to shift, putting one end closer to the sun's center of mass and causing it to shift even more off balance.