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Chapter 53, Marylebone, 30 September 1936

Anthony Eden sat with his head in his hands. Next to him Derrick Gunston and Sir Roger Keyes pored over the list of Conservative MPs. The defectors to the King's group (which still lacked a name: it was seemingly going to stagger on under the pretence and name of a 'National Government') had been scored out in thick black ink, while the Chamberlain loyalists were a thoroughly Tory blue. Eden and his band were a strident yellow, while the new group, with its growing list, was red.

"So who do we have?" This was asked in a hysterical tone.

Keyes spoke first. "Harold Macmillan agreed to join us last night; he has persuaded Sidney Herbert to come over."

"They're both foreign policy types," Gunston added. "Most of the domestic types are going to Stanley and Neville."

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"Let's," Eden snapped, "just focus, shall we? I asked," he said this tartly, "who do we have. Sir Roger?"

"Gretton is wobbly but will probably stay loyal to you until just before Neville takes the lead, Liddall will stay if you continue to talk about some relief for the North, and Cartland and Peat will cling to you because they're worried about Neville's knowledge of foreign affairs."

"Thelma will stick with you," Gunston added, "she hates Joseph Ball and his gang of thugs. Given that they're practically running Neville's campaign you might get the vote, Anthony, for being the one they hate least."

Gunston's remark was completely ignored. "What about Oliver?"

"He hasn't done us any favours, that's for sure," Keyes said bluntly. "Certainly Ronald Cross, John Eastwood and probably Lord Stanhope. Walter Wormersley will take the coastal crowd with him to Oliver's corner."

"Are we ahead?" Eden's tone was now slightly hysterical.

“Against Oliver?” There was the slightest nod from Eden to confirm the question.

Keyes nodded. "Yes, but only by a dozen or so. If that." Gunston nodded his agreement with this assessment.

"What do we do?"

Gunston now spoke. "I think we need to make an overture to Stanley. He is getting support, but this is frankly a distraction away from the contest between you and Neville."

Eden looked up, emerging from behind the rampart of arms and hands, and peered at Keyes. "What do you think?"

Keyes shook his head. "If this thing goes to a chat among the Party grandees then Oliver backs down. He has his moment of glory but then has to fall in behind you. He'll extract a deal, probably to be your Chancellor or Home Secretary, and then his boys will fall in as ordered."

Gunston shook his head. "I disagree. We need Stanley to tell his men to come with him to us. If they're free of loyalty to him some will go to Neville. Wormersley would, Cross might."

"I disagree about Ronald, he's on the younger wing, and has never seemed supportive of Neville."

"Nor of you," Keyes said bluntly, earning a pained sigh from Eden.

"Are any of our chaps wobbly?"

"Cartland is," Keyes said with evident irritation. "But I think he would defect to Churchill not Neville. He was most upset that he didn't get one of Neville's 'loyalty calls'."

"A what?"

Keyes looked surprised. "The whips have been good, dammed good. Every time that they scent defection the errant backbencher gets an invitation to lunch or dinner with one of the party leaders. Lunch with Halifax at the Dorchester, tea with Kingsley Wood." He shook his head ruefully. "One poor lad had supper with Zetland. That must have been bloody awful."

"And all of this is through whipping?" Eden was suspicious, something was not right. Gunston looked lost so Eden focussed on Keyes. "I'm going to ask around about that. Anyone important poached?"

"Cayzer," Gunston said immediately, Keyes nodding.

"Cayzer?"

"Yep. Our constituencies border one another. You know the chap; dapper, shipping magnate, hates anything that unsettles trade." Eden gave a vague nod. "Well, he's terribly rich, terribly influential, and would have been my recommendation for a job at the Board of Trade. Until Neville invited him to dinner with the Duke of York."

Eden sat up, bolt upright. "The Duke is involved?"

Keyes nodded, his expression full of understanding of the import of this. "Yes, I thought that rather unorthodox."

Eden sat and thought, he preferred to be alone at such times but managed to mentally 'block' Keyes and Gunston. That Chamberlain and Halifax were brazen enough to drag in the Duke to Chamberlain's rise to the party leadership was not surprising, but in these very delicate political times there could be an advantage to be gained here. "I need you to do something," he said to Keyes, ignoring Gunston. "If I give you a note, could you get some time with Winston."

"Yes," Keyes said in obvious confusion. "Why not call him."

"Because paranoids sometimes have enemies," he said, glaring at the telephone before looking at Gunston. "Could you go over to whomever is running Oliver's campaign..."

"Ronnie Cross," Gunston said immediately.

"Yes, fine, and tell him that I'd like to meet with Oliver. Somewhere discreet." He waved Gunston away in dismissal, while he scribbled a quick note for Keyes to convey to Churchill.

"Might I know its contents?" Keyes had been both a Flag Lieutenant and a Flag Officer, that was a standard question for an aide to ask and an Admiral to clarify.

"Yes, I'll leave it open, you can read it. Just get it to Winston," he said, placing it (but not sealing it) inside an envelope.

Keyes took the letter and walked out. Eden finally picked up the telephone, and asked to be put through to a number in the Foreign Office.

"Mr Eden?" A suspicious sounding Sir Robert Vansittart said as he answered. "I didn't think I'd get to speak to you so soon."

"It's nothing, really, but amidst the losing campaign to Chamberlain," he said this loudly, "I suddenly realised that there was some Spanish stuff to clear up. It's not right that I go to Hoare with it, are you happy for me to come over?"

"Actually, the protocol is that you write to your successor. I should be impartial from political matters."

"Oh go on," Eden said, hoping that his feigned surprise to precisely the reaction that he'd completely anticipated was working. “Just for old times' sake. I'll follow it up with a letter to Hoare if it helps."

There was a pause as Vansittart was seemingly considering it. "The embankment? Say, twenty minutes?"

"Meet me near the Victoria Gardens, and make it thirty," Eden said happily.

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Vansittart had clean forgotten that the Victoria Gardens were immediately in front of the Savoy. He realised that this couldn’t be an accident; Eden wanted them to be seen. Cheerful at the thought of looming controversy (Vansittart was one of the senior civil servants of the Empire, he was long past being frightened), he tipped his hat to a few passers by, said ‘hello’ to a couple of old acquaintances (looking perplexed at the sight of the Permanent Under Secretary of the Foreign Office seemingly loitering in a municipal garden). As Eden arrived, carrying a tattered briefcase, Vansittart’s level of interest had gone from ‘mildly curious’ to ‘bloody intrigued’.

“That’s not the image one expects of a future Conservative leader,” Vansittart said, pointing at the briefcase.

“I’ll get to that in a moment,” Eden said in in a rushed whisper. Then, in an extraordinarily loud voice (but not a shout; he was loud, but not bellowing), “yes, yes, Sir Robert, dashed silly of me to leave that Spain stuff in the house, shall we have a walk, I’ll need to brief you, to help you brief Sir Samuel.”

Vansittart had the happily baffled face of a grandfather indulging his grandchild’s latest unfathomable game. “I trust that there is a point to all of this, fun as it is? I’m not Warren Fisher, you know.”

Eden pulled out a buff coloured folder and they began to walk, looking for all the world like Eden was briefing Vansittart on its content.

“Sir Robert, are we spying on the Government? And on the Conservative candidates?”

Vansittart almost stopped walking, until a panicked look from Eden spurred him on. “You’re asking me this?”

“You and I both know that Neville has used Joseph Ball and his ex-MI5 contacts to do some sneaking around in the past. I need to whether something similarly rancid is being done to me.”

“By the Government?”

“By the Party!”

“I work, do I not, to Sir Samuel Hoare.”

“Who is part of a minority administration and who may fall at any moment. I know, I know that you meet with Fisher and Hankey, and we both know that Fisher has been in meetings with Chamberlain and Joseph Ball.”

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Vansittart looked shrewdly at his former Secretary of State. “Are you suggesting that the Security Service or the Secret Int…”

“Nothing of the sort. Well, I don’t know. Not the SIS, but possibly ‘five’. More likely to be Ball doing Neville’s dirty work for him. But I have common cause with Hoare on this. If he’s being spied on by someone, you need to investigate.”

Vansittart frowned at Eden’s tortured logic. “And in the course of dealings inadvertently support you by undermining your rivals.”

Eden was dramatic, exasperated. “We are talking, ah, about an egregious abuse of power and the state apparatus here. You owe it to the office to find out what is going on.”

They paused just before the entrance to Temple Bar; through the huge and dramatic entrance to Middle Temple Eden could see sombre-suited lawyers going about their business. “I could quietly investigate,” Vansittart said after a long pause. “I am aware, from the SIS daily digest, of a chap kicking his heels in London after wandering into the Lisbon mutiny a few weeks ago. I understand that C was going to dust him off and send him back to Spain, after the usual vetting and debriefing and so on, but it rather awkwardly turns out that in light of the flight of the Embassy from Madrid SIS has already replaced him with a new man. I’m sure that the good Admiral would allow me to second him to the Palazzo.” The ‘Palazzo’ was the nickname for the Foreign Office building.

“What would his cover be?”

“Spain, of course. I’ll get him to do some analysis on the fall out of us postponing the non-intervention conference. Which, to be fair,” Vansittart said wearily, “is probably a job that someone really does need to do.” That had been an embarrassing moment for the British, with the forum having been pushed back by the Baldwin Government and then killed entirely (or at least British participation in it) by the new administration. It wasn’t, Vansittart knew, that Hoare was planning to supply one side, instead it spoke of a deep desire to disentangle from foreign affairs.

“Is he good?”

“C reckons he’s unlucky, although I don’t know more than that.” He frowned. “Of course, he will need an administrator, someone to help him collate this for me. Fortunately we have a gal,” he said this with a puzzled frown, “who has been with us pending her training. She was supposed to become an analyst, but the murkier types think she might be cut out for field work.”

Eden frowned. “You know all this? Rather tactical for you.”

“I know,” Vansittart corrected, “enough of C’s staff. I have an interlocutor whom I can trust to form this little team and get them briefed.”

Eden nodded. “Thank you, Sir Robert.”

“I must warn you,” Vansittart said primly, “that my first duty is to the Secretary of State and my duties as a PUS. If there is a divide between that and your leadership campaign I must choose…”

Eden held up a hand. “I understand entirely, and you will of course do your duty."

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GAME NOTES

Two real points in this update, the state of the Conservative leadership selections (particularly Eden’s camp) and the more sinister world of Joseph Ball and his relationship with the intelligence community (particularly MI5).

To the Tories first; this is not, yet (nor is it likely to be) a leadership contest in the way that we would understand it. The Conservatives tended to heed to the recommendation of the outgoing leader / PM (not always the same thing) in his last moments in office and mobilise the party machinery to deliver the result. In the real TL Baldwin handed over to Chamberlain with little fuss and a rather quiet coronation. No one (of any consequence) argued against either Chamberlain or Baldwin’s right to anoint him and Chamberlain of course went on to become PM (of the National Government) and Tory leader. Where there was an initial lack of consensus, ‘soundings’ and negotiations would be conducted in private among the MPs and peers to see who could collect the most support. This very English, rather undemocratic system (the Whips and the party grandees wielded enormous power in the process) saw some interesting moments. The leadership race that took place at the 1963 Conservative Party conference following Prime Minister Harold Macmillan’s resignation through ill-health proved most controversial. Sir Alec Douglas-Home, who emerged as the new leader, was not considered a front runner but Rab Butler and Quentin Hailsham, who were both considered to be contenders, both suffered from poor publicity at the conference. Macmillan therefore recommended to the Queen that Home be invited to form a new administration. This was a process that prompted Ian Macleod’s well-known reference in an article for the Spectator in January 1964 to a “magic circle” within the Party. Home, ironically enough, introduced an election process during his spell as leader which was not amended until the late 90s.

And so to Eden. I have tried to conduct a ‘hustings in my head’ and place the Tories where I think they would fall under the murky, informal system outlined above. For anyone vaguely interested, this is the core of Eden’s support:

Amery

Derrick Gunston

Sir Sidney Herbert

Macmillan

Gretton

Ronald Cartland

Thelma Cazalet-Keir

Sir Walter Liddall

Sir Roger Keyes

Reginald Blair

Charles Peat

At least two of these may (will) defect in the weeks ahead, and in collating Eden’s core support I was struck by what a fragile little group it was. Keyes, despite mulling him supporting the King, would probably prefer Eden to Chamberlain’s crusty, humourless team or to losing the whip by joining Lloyd George. He was as colourful a character as portrayed (probably more so – being a campaign manager is hardly his metier!) and would support Eden’s more muscular approach to international matters. I’m convinced that Macmillan would have been a target of the rebels, but as I’m placing Bob Boothby, currently conducting a well-known affair with Dorothy Macmillan, among their number Macmillan will enact revenge and crush his Parliamentary career. Despite moments of occasional ‘toeing the line’ I think that the notion of being a significant player in Eden’s campaign would have its attractions. That said, I seriously mulled Macmillan joining Stanley.

Stanley’s campaign is the classic ‘third man’ candidacy that often derails UK hustings; a sudden, unexpected candidate throwing his name in for consideration at the last minute, skewing the result away from another candidate. FWIW, I have the following as the key Stanley supporters:

John Eastwood

Lord Stanhope

Ronald Cross

Walter Wormersley

His supporters would incline, I think, towards interventionist economic policies (particularly in the northern Tory constituencies) with a muddled, if slightly more assertive than Chamberlain, foreign policy. But all of these are secondary concerns: the one issue, as many of you have commented, that really matters is how to manage the King.

(sighs) Chamberlain and his gang (most of the old guard, a few of the less independent youngsters) have reputation, tradition, and the power of patronage. Would Bertie, Duke of York really be dragged into wining and dining wavering Conservatives? I remain, on balance, settled that he would; his judgment with Chamberlain was always dicey, and even as King he mixed the Royal with the political. The evidence? Well, the decision to put Chamberlain with him on the Buckingham Palace balcony after Munich was a controversial one even with the pro-appeasement political establishment, and more than one anecdote and recollection testifies to his support for the wing of the Conservative Party aligned with Chamberlain and his views. As readers of my previous AAR will recollect, regal support in the real world 1940 was closely for Halifax rather than Churchill and it was well into Winston’s premiership before the ice thawed. As a Duke (even as the Heir apparent / presumptive) he can be more involved, not less (cough Charles, Prince of Wales, cough) and I believe that the Tories would shamelessly exploit HRH to get their way. If this seems grubby, it is.

But not, perhaps, as grubby as the notion of an ex-MI5 officer getting up to no good on Neville’s behalf. If I am satisfied on a balance of probabilities that the Chamberlainites would drag poor Bertie to lobby on their boy’s behalf, then I am almost certain that Joseph Ball and his ex-intelligence skills would be used. Phones would be bugged, the Whips would be corralled into spying on (and then intimidating) young MPs thought to be wobbly. The legalities would be ignored and the Home Secretary (one of DLG’s rebels – I’ll explore the mess that is the Cabinet shortly) not involved. This means that someone in the Security Service would support Ball, and here I’m again relatively comfortable with my conclusion. Because, dear reader, MI5 and Joseph Ball has not ignored what a lot of the Conservative Party has – this contest is not about Hitler or unemployment relief, it is about the King and how he is dealt with. And the candidate that can reassure the party, swiftly, on this will ultimately win.

A little diversion to a grittier alt-reality than the Royal Whitehall Farce being conducted back in Blighty. Cleverly done microcosm of the wider conflict.

Thank you mon brave, the aim was just to widen our less slightly.

An interesting chapter, though I'm still stunned LG got in at all, let alone that he's managed to bring the Liberals, some Cons and a few socialists with him (what gymnastics are they playing here, unless they've been planted there by the left to bring down the monarchy from within? That is probably too good a proactive idea for British socialists though...).

Though it is always a pleasure to see a German enjoying the spectacul of the UK repeatedly ramming its head into a wall to try and shake off a rotten ruler.

The thing is this - DLG hasn't, really, 'got in'. I mean, he has, in that he is PM, but he hasn't got there through a popular mandate and commands a tiny number of MPs. The gymnastics - that's to come...

Always a treat to see a new chapter, and doubly so for including a few familiar faces.


Best known perhaps for his early writing on the conditions inside Dachau – and also for his daring escape from Nazi captivity. Very fun to have him about the place, although I dare say his OTL fate awaits at the end of the year.

Yes I wanted to show ze Germans in the SCW, particularly those fighting for the doomed Republic.

Well that was quite the change in pace and a welcome reminder that life (or the ending of it) goes on beyond Westminster. Wintringham does come out of that rather well, though I suppose the general standard of officers is rather low all round, so just taking an interest and putting some effort in does go a long way. It should really be the Spaniards who are taking this more seriously (it is their country!) and the foreign adventurers/idealists who are lacking in discipline and appetite for the boring, routing work, that it is the other way round explains a great deal about how the SCW took so long.


I do hope he gets his OTL Fate, for his own sake if nothing else. Being a loyal commissar who is shot by the NKVD, due to internal factional politics that prioritise internal doctrinal opponents over the actual enemy, is incredibly on-brand for a communist hero. It is what he would of wanted I'm sure.

Like, I suspect, you, I am not particularly impressed by Wintringham; one of those buffoonish Englishmen who frankly gets in the way to pass on his (usually misguided) opinions. The point is that he wasn't always wrong, and his efforts in the SCW are probably the 'high watermark' of his credibility.

Nice to see an update with some action! Spain is always fertile ground for writAARs here.

Thanks - Spain, as ever, dominates the early years of an HOI4 AAR
 
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it was well into Winston’s premiership before the ice thawed.
Would be funny if he did take the title and became Duke of London at the end of the war. Funny to start the war buddies with Lord Halifax and end with Duke Churchill (and a pre-drugged Eden as PM, at least for a bit).
The thing is this - DLG hasn't, really, 'got in'. I mean, he has, in that he is PM, but he hasn't got there through a popular mandate and commands a tiny number of MPs. The gymnastics - that's to come...
Precedent set though. Technically, and officially, he's PM again (for however long that lasts). He's definitely making constitutional history again...not for good reasons though.
 
“I must warn you,” Vansittart said primly, “that my first duty is to the Secretary of State and my duties as a PUS. If there is a divide between that and your leadership campaign I must choose…”

Eden held up a hand. “I understand entirely, and you will of course do your duty."
Nod, wink; don't say, just think. ;)
But not, perhaps, as grubby as the notion of an ex-MI5 officer getting up to no good on Neville’s behalf. If I am satisfied on a balance of probabilities that the Chamberlainites would drag poor Bertie to lobby on their boy’s behalf, then I am almost certain that Joseph Ball and his ex-intelligence skills would be used.
Dirty deeds done - a piece of political bastardry for our time! Can hardly blame Eden here for dabbling a bit himself.
 
There remains a feeling that Chamberlain is inevitable, particularly if he has roped Bertie into it and has his stooges dabbling in the black arts. It would be wonderful if Vansittart could scrape up some dirt and the scandal caused Nev to stumble, but I fear it would be a bit too fortuitous. Though at the back of my mind there is a voice that says something must happen or what was the point of this work, all of this bruhaha around the King can only end one way (Eddie abdicating) and the main in event in Europe will be unaffected if Nev remains in charge and directing British foreign policy.

However should something positive occur one must chose between Stanley and Eden, I believe I would go Stanley but I think this is more a marker for future efforts. As a fan of seeing pre-operation, non-adict Eden premierships it would be nice to see Anthony get it, though some of his reactions to the threat of spying were a bit worrying. Sure they were comically exaggerated and it is not paranoia if they really are out to get you, but still.
 
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There remains a feeling that Chamberlain is inevitable,
Only if we assume everyone else sticks to the party comes first mentality of the period. If one of the other major players decides to go 'fuck it' (much like his Majesty and the crown), the whole party could be taken out in a ugly civil war for a good few months.

It probably won't happen, but if the resulting power play is serious enough, whoever wins it in the end (probably Chamberlain) might be shaken enough to call for an election (or have it forced upon them). At which point, depending on how the Royal crisis was handled and dealt with, the country can return to a somewhat Conservative orthodoxy or maybe give a few more seats to Labour. It all depends on whether or not the public will panic at the state instutions all being tested like this, or pleased and want them to be further shaken out of prior century malaise.

And of course; if DLG was stupid enough to leave records and written accounts of any dealing with Hitler, the next proper PM and government is going to have a devil of a time with appeasement...
 
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I really, really do hope that Chamberlain has somehow left himself vulnerable to someone poking around a bit. Him getting in now (or at least, being a shoe in at the inevitable election) would be rather disappointing in the scheme of things. Unless, of course, one accounts for the not inconceivable possibility that the coming election doesn't really solve anything and 'business as usual' (ie a nominally stable Chamberlain premiership) is no more assured by an election victory than without one. Let's see just how badly the Tories can eat themselves alive…

(Of course, the extra frustrating thing is that Labour probably aren't going to do anything for the duration. As usual, the health of British politics – even amidst dire crisis – seems set to be dictated by the health of the Tories and the Tories alone. Or am I just projecting more… contemporary grievances?)
 
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(Of course, the extra frustrating thing is that Labour probably aren't going to do anything for the duration. As usual, the health of British politics – even amidst dire crisis – seems set to be dictated by the health of the Tories and the Tories alone. Or am I just projecting more… contemporary grievances?)
I think this is a long standing issue. I remember reading various analyses that conclude even the 1945 Labour landslide was an "Anything but another Conservative majority" election rather than an enthusiastic embrace of Labour's plans. Mildly amusing the favoured outcome, at least according to the M.O. reports and polling available, was a continuation of the wartime coalition government with Churchill still as PM but Labour having more MPs (but not enough to govern on their own), the two parties working together to build houses and implement the Beveridge report. Sadly for the voters neither party was much interested in that outcome, but to be fair I have doubts it was ever that feasible.
 
I think this is a long standing issue. I remember reading various analyses that conclude even the 1945 Labour landslide was an "Anything but another Conservative majority" election rather than an enthusiastic embrace of Labour's plans. Mildly amusing the favoured outcome, at least according to the M.O. reports and polling available, was a continuation of the wartime coalition government with Churchill still as PM but Labour having more MPs (but not enough to govern on their own), the two parties working together to build houses and implement the Beveridge report. Sadly for the voters neither party was much interested in that outcome, but to be fair I have doubts it was ever that feasible.
Pretty sure the forces vote was wot wun it. Which is fair enough.

Honestly, I'm not sure the coalition or a Conservative win would have instituted the Beveridge Report to the extent that Labour did, so the landslide was a useful kick of encouragement for the party to go all out and do some practical socialism.

Which is nice.

Then again, another national coalition after the war, with Labour running the show at home and the conservatives working their magic abroad (and Churchill locked in a room somewhere writing speeches and little else)...that sounds interesting.

Maybe Mr Blair and Mr Pip could declare an unholy alliance and write a one shot of what happened in that time line?
 
Pretty sure the forces vote was wot wun it. Which is fair enough.
Nope. Out of the 4.5million service personnel who could vote only about 1.7million did. Total votes was 25 million so not a big chunk and of course because of conscription it was fairly evenly spread. Impressively someone has worked it all out and mapped the registered voters to constituencies - if all those service voters had 100% voted Tory (or the best 2nd place in their seat) it might have cost Labour 54 seats compared to the OTL majority of 146. Labour still would have easily won.

Of course after the election the Tories wanted to blame it all on the 'Socialist' Army Education Corps rather than admit their own many failures, while it suited Labour to be seen as the 'choice of the common serviceman' to burnish their defence creditentials so everyone agreed the forces vote had been significant. And like so many of the things British politicians agree on it was a load of rubbish.
Honestly, I'm not sure the coalition or a Conservative win would have instituted the Beveridge Report to the extent that Labour did, so the landslide was a useful kick of encouragement for the party to go all out and do some practical socialism.

Which is nice.
You and I have very different definitions of nice.
Then again, another national coalition after the war, with Labour running the show at home and the conservatives working their magic abroad (and Churchill locked in a room somewhere writing speeches and little else)...that sounds interesting.

Maybe Mr Blair and Mr Pip could declare an unholy alliance and write a one shot of what happened in that time line?
I am sure such a writing collaboration would go just as smoothly and efficiently as the coalition government.
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Nope. Out of the 4.5million service personnel who could vote only about 1.7million did. Total votes was 25 million so not a big chunk and of course because of conscription it was fairly evenly spread. Impressively someone has worked it all out and mapped the registered voters to constituencies - if all those service voters had 100% voted Tory (or the best 2nd place in their seat) it might have cost Labour 54 seats compared to the OTL majority of 146. Labour still would have easily won.

Of course after the election the Tories wanted to blame it all on the 'Socialist' Army Education Corps rather than admit their own many failures, while it suited Labour to be seen as the 'choice of the common serviceman' to burnish their defence creditentials so everyone agreed the forces vote had been significant. And like so many of the things British politicians agree on it was a load of rubbish.
So why was it so massively a landslide for Labour?
 
So why was it so massively a landslide for Labour?
The majority of the 23.3 million non-service personnel voters really did not want another majority Tory government and so voted Labour. Even as early as 1943 Gallup polls were showing a ~10% lead for Labour and Gallup obviously were only polling people on the Home Front. By March 1945 polls were saying 43% of people wanted the coalition government to continue but 55% would vote for an anti-Tory popular front if that was the only alternative to a Tory majority government. To their credit Labour convinced everyone that 'straight left' was the only way to ensure there would be no Tory majority and Churchill's weird Gestapo speech about Labour convinced people there would be no coalition (Labour had ruled it out as well, but apparently no-one really believed they would turn down power if offered).
 
The majority of the 23.3 million non-service personnel voters really did not want another majority Tory government and so voted Labour. Even as early as 1943 Gallup polls were showing a ~10% lead for Labour and Gallup obviously were only polling people on the Home Front. By March 1945 polls were saying 43% of people wanted the coalition government to continue but 55% would vote for an anti-Tory popular front if that was the only alternative to a Tory majority government. To their credit Labour convinced everyone that 'straight left' was the only way to ensure there would be no Tory majority and Churchill's weird Gestapo speech about Labour convinced people there would be no coalition (Labour had ruled it out as well, but apparently no-one really believed they would turn down power if offered).
But why?
 
A question for the ages, why did people vote the way they did at any particular election. Conservatives had been in power a long time, a lot of the M.O. reports have people wanting to kick them out (or at least get a reduced majority) for that reason, another chunk just did not vote at all (turnout was 73% in '45, jumped up to 84% in 1950). The Conservatives were not trusted to implement the Beveridge report and really not trusted on housing, which was obviously a big issue given all the bomb damaged housing. More specifically they were not trusted on council housing, if your concern was privately built housing then you did vote Tory.

Economically the Conservatives went big on free enterprise vs Labour nationalisations, which was popular with the Middle Classes, those who had done well out of the light industry boom in the South and those that had got a house in the 1930s housing boom, but was pretty unpopular with other groups. There was a sense in the working class and lower middle classes, particularly those outside the Midlands and the South, that the 20s/30s economy really hadn't worked for them and they did not want to just recreate them, which was unfortunate for the Tories as they were seen as wanting just that. Bear in mind massive generalisations in this section and there doubtless were those with different concerns or who had different interpretations.

Interestingly Foreign policy and 'the guilty men' probably weren't a factor, or at least no-one told the pollsters or the M.O. people if it was. Pre-war polling in Feb '39 shows the majority of the public believed appeasement was being done to 'buy time' (46%) or would actually lead to peace (28%), then six years of war probably made it not seem quite so important any more. Given foreign policy is rarely very important to modern elections this seems about right to me.


EDIT: My gut feel on this is that had the Conservatives embraced the Beveridge report and had Churchill not made his Gestapo speech then it would have been a lot closer. If they had made the right noises about council houses, or at least had some idea how people who couldn't afford to buy would get a house, then I think they might have sneaked it or at least got the coalition the public wanted. To get back to DB's original point, it does look at lot more like the Tories losing it than Labour winning it.
 
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A question for the ages, why did people vote the way they did at any particular election.
I would certainly think after all that it was more to do with a huge pile up of issues for the tories rather than the Labour party doing something right...but have to look deeply at this (and all) landslides because can't be a much greater indication of popular concern than when they happen.

Looking forward to Butterfly going through all this in the 2050s...unless you do do that do with densley.
 
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Chapter 54, Downing Street, 2 October 1936

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The rain had not deterred the crowds of people from Downing Street; Summer, which had never really taken hold this year, had finally wheezed off to be replaced by a brusque, often thundery Autumn. The crowds, in reasonable mood, were largely good-natured, well-wishers of the King mixing with affronted supporters of Parliamentary supremacy. The tripling of the Police presence at the Palace and Downing Street gave the unfortunate impression of an executive under siege from its own people.

Lloyd George and Churchill had an invitation to dine with the King, to discuss how to balance the denouement of the Simpson divorce and the swiftly subsequent marriage with the very real objections from the Dominions and Church of England, and all of this managed by a Government that faced destruction at the first Parliamentary vote. But first, there were a few housekeeping measures to agree.

“So, David, we’re saying Duffy stays at the War Office, but also takes Defence Coordination, supported by Channon at the Admiralty and Londonderry back at Air?”

“No no, I thought Londonderry was getting India.”

Churchill shook his head. “But you wanted Lothian at India.”

“I do,” Lloyd George agreed easily. “What about Amery," he said with a wry smile. “Amery for India and swapping him with Londonderry at Air.”

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Churchill bit his lip, he cared very much for this important aspect of forming a government, of getting the Cabinet nominations right. He wasn’t enjoying Lloyd George baiting him at every turn. “My Dear David, Leo hasn’t left Eden yet…”

Lloyd George rolled his eyes. “Does it matter?”

“Yes it does.” He tried to focus the other man on the lists in front of them. “Hoare as Foreign Secretary?”

Lloyd George sighed. “It was the price, Winston, for his support. He blethered on about India, and but with his supporters, we need ‘im focussed here. He’s better than Lothian as Foreign Secretary!”

Churchill’s nod seemed to concede the point. “But what about Amery?”

“Home Secretary?”

Sir Maurice Hankey, the Cabinet Secretary, seemed to have aged about twenty years. He entered wearily. “Prime Minister, they’re here.”

“Any nonsense from the mob?” Churchill growled this at the civil servant.

“No, Chancellor, we smuggled them in through the tunnel.”

‘They’, Herbert Morrison and Hugh Dalton, were ushered into the Cabinet room. Morrison enjoyed walking around the table, perhaps enjoying the spectacle of an aristocratic Tory, a Welsh Liberal and a Cockney socialist, two of them in evening dress, all meeting to plot and scheme.

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“Well, nice of you to dress up for Arthur and me”, he said with relish with a nod to the finery of Lloyd George and Churchill.

“Herbert, time is short. The Prime Minister and I,” Churchill nodded at Lloyd George, “are soon to dine with His Majesty. What better way to arrive than with news of your loyalty to his cause.”

It was rhetoric, but canny rhetoric; Dalton, much more of an Establishment figure than Morrison, had already tacitly signalled than he was willing to try and work with the makeshift administration after a stormy interview with Attlee in which Dalton’s suggestion of neutralising Chamberlain by ‘cutting a deal’ with the King landed badly with the Labour leader. But Morrison, ambitious, eccentric Morrison, was a different prospect.

“What do we get,” Morrison asked, an insincere smile on his face.

Churchill coloured but Lloyd George rose to the occasion. “That depends, what do you bring?”

Dalton and Morrison exchanged looks. “At least twelve, perhaps twenty,” Morrison said with confidence.

Lloyd George gave nothing away but Churchill visibly sagged. “That is less than we hoped for,” he said sadly. “That gives us, at most, around one hundred and sixty members.”

Morrison and Dalton, although they hadn’t been asked, both took a seat. “What do we get, Winston,” Dalton reminded Churchill in his booming voice.

Lloyd George spoke up instead of Churchill. “Hugh, you will get Home Secretary, Herbert, you will get Trade.” Churchill looked surprised; Lloyd George had promised the Home Office to Sinclair as the price of the Liberal leader's loyalty.

Morrison was surprised that such a prestigious ministry was being given to him. Dalton looked shrewdly at both Lloyd George and Churchill.

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Tell me, David, is the water over your heads?”

Lloyd George smiled sadly. “No. No it’s not. It’s exactly at my head.”

Churchill nodded, and looked, suspiciously, at Morrison. “Why did you leave Attlee?” Seeing Dalton frown, he moved to reassure them. “We have all of us, sacrificed our careers and created breaches in our parties. You are with friends.”

Morrison, with his smoothed out London accent, suddenly became excited. “Clem, the leadership election, the National Government,” he seemed to be listing his grievances, “we need something different, something radical.”

Dalton barked a laugh, “well reasonably radical,” he said in gentle correction.

Morrison nodded. “Let’s be frank. If we want to bring Attlee down, this is as good a way as any to do it. Hugh and I can go back to the party after this, providing Attlee falls.” He smiled naughtily. “But we can use you and this chaos to get some things done beforehand, and then return to the Party pointing to our having done something while the mouse did nothing.”

“What do you want to do?” That was Lloyd George, who privately doubted that a Labour Party that had excoriated MacDonald would be more forgiving to Morrison and Dalton. “What is it that you want to drive through Cabinet?”

“Surely that’s premature,” Dalton muttered. “We might not survive the next month!”

“All we have to do,” Lloyd George exploded, “is to survive the bloody divorce and marriage. After that the big issue” the stress of the situation was clearly getting to the Prime Minister, who said it a much more Welsh ‘issoo’ than Churchill had ever heard, “is dealt with and we can scrabble together something. I’ve begged His bloody Majesty to get on with it and we’re to work out some dates tonight. We’ll get you two up to Fort Belvedere, not,” he explained “the Palace, the real mark of favour is a private dinner at Belvedere. The other parties are all over the place. Winston thinks that we might get a few more stray Tories, which will dent their numbers even further.”

“They’re still on two hundred and thirty five,” Morrison reminded them, “probably more. Clem will only have a hundred and thirty five. It’s very complicated.”

“It’s a right mess,” Lloyd George said summarised neatly. “But Attlee is now too small to challenge us directly and he cannot be Leader of the Opposition for much longer. The Tories are leaderless and disintegrating.”

Dalton shook his head. “You’re on a sticky wicket, man! The second they can get a vote of no confidence passed you’re done for.”

Lloyd George winked outrageously, “I’ve some tricks, you know, some strings to pull. I intend to cheat, of course, play the constitution. Every last trick in the book.”

Churchill, who had expressed precisely Dalton’s sentiment to Lloyd George, looked disgusted. “That’s why Hugh, we must work quietly, softly.”

“But, Winston,” Morrison interrupted, “you are going to let us try and get some measures in? Aren’t you? Otherwise, why am I here?”

“Of course, after the Royal marriage is arranged, you can use your ministries’ prerogative powers, and of course whatever Parliamentary time that you think that you might safely use, for whatever you need.”

Lloyd George coughed pointedly. “Winston, we need to go.”

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It was an unseasonably cold evening, the varying crowds, in a very British way, obedient to the weather and dispersing as it grew dark and cold. The stillness of the scene as their car sped along the Mall struck Churchill as foreboding, like the part in a novel where some utterly horrid revelation was about to happen. The stillness was incredibly eerie.

“Let me do the talking,” Lloyd George said heavily. “He was dreadful the other day at Belvedere,” he mimed a gesture of someone repeatedly drinking.

Churchill, heroic drinker from a line of heroic drinkers, bit back a retort that he was probably more used to dealing with His Majesty’s present affliction than the Prime Minster but remembered that the only way that either man would survive this crisis was by standing together.

The Palace was not deserted (the Guards were maintaining a lonely watch at their posts) but was certainly quiet; only one footman waited for the Prime Minister and Chancellor of the Exchequer and most of the Palace was shrouded in darkness. Somewhere, in a distant stateroom, a sudden ripple of music began, ending as abruptly as it started with a maniacal chuckle. The footman seemed to tense; behind him, Lloyd George repeated the mimed gesture of someone drinking from a bottle.

They were led, not to the usual audience room, but to a smaller, dirty office. The sight that greeted the politicians was shocking. The King, with crazed, bloodshot eyes, a truly battered suit and looking like he hadn't shaved in two days, was drinking heavily from a bottle of whisky. Around him the newspapers of both supporter and critic sides of the dispute lay scattered. The King looked up at the older men with a mix of plea and anger.

“B-B-Bertie lunched with that bloody Archbishop,” he finally said after a painful silence, mocking his brother’s stammer. “And he and the fat wife are having supper with Neville, again.”

Lloyd George looked bewildered while Churchill took refuge in the Welshman’s earlier order for his silence, looking expectantly at the older man.

Lloyd George finally huffed. “Your Majesty, we will deal with your brother and Chamberlain. He’s committed a blunder by tying the Monarchy to one political faction in this…”

“…Linlithgow,” the King said softly, fury in his eyes.

“What has he done?” Churchill glared at the King, looking very much as if he was going to shake the information from his Sovereign.

“He intends to denounce me, not in name,” the King said bitterly, “but in as many words. Some speech over there. Shimla, Delhi, one of them. The Viceroy, the Vice King, intends to blast the real thing.”

Churchill looked at Lloyd George, then back to the dishevelled King. “Treason,” he growled, “mutiny.”

“Forget him,” Lloyd George said suddenly, an idea forming. “He’ll have to resign if he speaks out. That gives us another gong to give out.” He smiled at the options. “Perhaps one of our newspaper types. Yes!” He said this with a triumphant shout.

The King smiled faintly, reassured by his Prime Minister’s words. “When can I see Wallis,” he asked plaintively.

The politicians exchanged looks again. Churchill, for who certain proprieties ought to be followed, frowned, while Lloyd George, whose attitude to fidelity was more aligned with the King’s smiled soothingly. “Soon, Sir,” he said calmly. “I wonder if we’re managing this story badly. D’you know,” he said as if in revelation, although the idea had probably formed months ago, “if the public could see what she brings to you, a modern fairytale, why, that might help.” In his Celtic lilt it was beguiling, entrancing.

“I had to have Dawson called,” the King said in obliquely, talking past his Prime Minister, “after our last chat I made rather a mess of the library.” He smiled sadly at Churchill. “You wouldn’t have made that mistake, would you Winston? Mix your drinks so badly you have to have your stomach pumped.”

“What,” Lloyd George said, half-snapped, “can we do?” He decided not to mention the Labour defections, the King was evidently past caring.

“Wallis, as my wife. Dammit man, just get her here as my Consort. I’ll even spare the blushes of that stiff-necked bastard in Delhi. Just get me Wallis, and get her as my wife.”

“Do we have Your Majesty’s permission to deal on those terms,” Churchill, astonishingly was the most controlled, most focussed member of the group.

“Yes, yes of course,” the King waved them away, staring, in his dirty little room, out in the darkness. “Just get me Wallis.”

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GAME NOTES

So…

Quite a lot covered in a messy update about a messy phase of the crisis.

First to the Cabinet positions; I’ve given you the ‘choice cuts’ but with DLG as PM and Churchill at the Exchequer the rest of the big jobs are handed out to anyone who flocks to the Royal banner. Londonderry at Air and Duff Cooper at the War Office (and taking on the probably now overlooked defence coordination role) are reasonably logical suggestions (both had done their particular job before, in Duff Cooper’s case very recently) and Lord Lothian at India is also not entirely mad, again he has previous experience and could, I believe, just be persuaded to back the King (FWIW I debated this one hotly – but I reckon he would be one of the few Conservatives able to return after the rebellion). Amery is clearly a target of the rebels, and for good reason, there is some evidence that he was not unsympathetic to KEVIII’s plight and might be seduced if the right ministry came along (but not India, definitely not while Churchill has a pulse).

The obvious wild card, before we look at Labour, is Channon, a nonentity now known for his diaries and private life more than party allegiance, being given the Admiralty. There is a game being played here, and I will expand on this in a later update – but he is there for the backbenchers (he was a leading Wallis supporter) that he has brought with him and for, well, his malleability; expect our First Lord to be thrown overboard (sorry) as required as DLG and Winston need to buy other politicians off. Sinclair is going to bob around for a while, nearly getting this or that ministry; his early loyalty to the King making him less valuable than the waverers.

And now to Labour; I am grateful to @DensleyBlair for their counsel on this one, but am I really suggesting that Hugh Dalton and Herbert Morrison would defect? Yes, yes I am, although they are not as united in their reasoning as suggested in this update. Both, in my view lack judgment – Dalton always seemed just slightly ‘off kilter’ with his colleagues in the 1945 Attlee Government and was easily one of the more Establishment figures of that Cabinet. He was known to be sympathetic to the King’s cause in ’36 and so would, I have concluded, consider joining the rebellion out of those atavistic, ingrained values which he held for much of his life. He was also, like his co-conspirator Morrison, deeply disenchanted with Attlee after the 1935 election drubbing.

Confession – I hate Herbert Morrison. I am a centrist, very hawkish on foreign and defence but practically socialist on domestic, environmental and justicey matters. I’ve never read, seen or encountered anything that, given my leanings, don’t make him out to be an oily, schemy little t**t. I could be tainted, jaundiced by the revelation that he was Peter Mandelson’s grandfather. By 1936 he was firmly against Attlee, against whom he had ran for the leadership after the ’35 election and against whom he fared very badly. There is evidence that he was listless and unhappy during this period, and was close, in the Parliamentary Labour Party, to Dalton. I believe that a case could be made that together they decide to risk the wrath of the PLP to undermine Attlee, make some bold policy announcements that would probably never see Royal Assent, and then survive the inevitable collapse by sneaking back to Labour as the Tories fragment even further (and have a huge dilemma – to accept the defector Tories, or let them back in).

And finally to the King. He isn’t having a good Autumn, and his conduct reflects the breakdown(s) that happened, in OTL, later in the year as he was faced with the inevitability of abdication. The bit about having his stomach pumped is true, and I have brought forward the ‘binge drinking’ as a result of our TL’s Parliamentary chaos, the absence of Wallis Simpson (she was very, very good at curbing the worst of his drinking) and the insubordinate attitude of the Viceroy (more on that in a later update). The question is, can he recover, or will DLG and Churchill need to bring Wallis back to the UK (remember, she’s in exile on the Continent) to prop up or ailing King?

Precedent set though. Technically, and officially, he's PM again (for however long that lasts). He's definitely making constitutional history again...not for good reasons though.

You're right on that, and as he alludes above, he has more tricks to try before this crisis ends.

Dirty deeds done - a piece of political bastardry for our time! Can hardly blame Eden here for dabbling a bit himself.

Given the people Neville's mixing with I think Eden has no choice but to try...

There remains a feeling that Chamberlain is inevitable, particularly if he has roped Bertie into it and has his stooges dabbling in the black arts. It would be wonderful if Vansittart could scrape up some dirt and the scandal caused Nev to stumble, but I fear it would be a bit too fortuitous. Though at the back of my mind there is a voice that says something must happen or what was the point of this work, all of this bruhaha around the King can only end one way (Eddie abdicating) and the main in event in Europe will be unaffected if Nev remains in charge and directing British foreign policy.

However should something positive occur one must chose between Stanley and Eden, I believe I would go Stanley but I think this is more a marker for future efforts. As a fan of seeing pre-operation, non-adict Eden premierships it would be nice to see Anthony get it, though some of his reactions to the threat of spying were a bit worrying. Sure they were comically exaggerated and it is not paranoia if they really are out to get you, but still.

As ever a lot of good stuff from Pippy - I share your sense that the obvious answer is a Chamberlain premiership, but it's the how we get to it that is so different in this TL. In the real 1936 / 1937 it was effortless. Here he has to unite a Party that has split over a single issue, presumably call (or jump onboard with the calling of) and win a General Election, deal with the King (this was already done in the real TL) and then, only then, turn his mediocre gaze at the European situation. My final observation is that Neville Chamberlain never fought and won a General Election - we have no real idea how this would play out with a Conservative Party so nakedly at war with itself and with Labour so recently and utterly defeated. It is a hugely combustible mix, and if, if, revelation of Chamberlain's knavery should be revealed? I think it is fascinating.

I'm going to defend my portrayal of Eden; yes he is not the shambles that he was in '56 (and boy was he addled then!) but he was, if not unbalanced, extremely flighty. While he has always wanted the premiership, he has not been afforded any preparation time and is the outsider candidate (Stanley's campaign probably splutters out if the larger Eden one gives in). This is a lot of pressure on a man not expecting it, and while I like the 1930s Eden, I don't think that he was the most stable of men.

Only if we assume everyone else sticks to the party comes first mentality of the period. If one of the other major players decides to go 'fuck it' (much like his Majesty and the crown), the whole party could be taken out in a ugly civil war for a good few months.

It probably won't happen, but if the resulting power play is serious enough, whoever wins it in the end (probably Chamberlain) might be shaken enough to call for an election (or have it forced upon them). At which point, depending on how the Royal crisis was handled and dealt with, the country can return to a somewhat Conservative orthodoxy or maybe give a few more seats to Labour. It all depends on whether or not the public will panic at the state instutions all being tested like this, or pleased and want them to be further shaken out of prior century malaise.

And of course; if DLG was stupid enough to leave records and written accounts of any dealing with Hitler, the next proper PM and government is going to have a devil of a time with appeasement...

The impact upon the public is an interesting one, much as it was in the real TL. Some of the Conservatives, as we saw in the Eden update, are still pontificating on secondary matters that no one can really give much time to. The rebels are more clear-headed (but they have to be, don't they!) and while they will have a go at governing, their only real focus is survival. The country is split on this, but unlike, say, 2016, my view is that it's more 2014 with the status quo winning out, but not immediately.

I really, really do hope that Chamberlain has somehow left himself vulnerable to someone poking around a bit. Him getting in now (or at least, being a shoe in at the inevitable election) would be rather disappointing in the scheme of things. Unless, of course, one accounts for the not inconceivable possibility that the coming election doesn't really solve anything and 'business as usual' (ie a nominally stable Chamberlain premiership) is no more assured by an election victory than without one. Let's see just how badly the Tories can eat themselves alive…

(Of course, the extra frustrating thing is that Labour probably aren't going to do anything for the duration. As usual, the health of British politics – even amidst dire crisis – seems set to be dictated by the health of the Tories and the Tories alone. Or am I just projecting more… contemporary grievances?)

The danger of "projecting contemporary grievances" in this TL is very, very difficult. There are parallels (which, with one looming exception I'm trying to avoid) with 2016 - 2019 in quite a lot of the Parliamentary activity.

I think this is a long standing issue. I remember reading various analyses that conclude even the 1945 Labour landslide was an "Anything but another Conservative majority" election rather than an enthusiastic embrace of Labour's plans. Mildly amusing the favoured outcome, at least according to the M.O. reports and polling available, was a continuation of the wartime coalition government with Churchill still as PM but Labour having more MPs (but not enough to govern on their own), the two parties working together to build houses and implement the Beveridge report. Sadly for the voters neither party was much interested in that outcome, but to be fair I have doubts it was ever that feasible.

Pretty sure the forces vote was wot wun it. Which is fair enough.

Honestly, I'm not sure the coalition or a Conservative win would have instituted the Beveridge Report to the extent that Labour did, so the landslide was a useful kick of encouragement for the party to go all out and do some practical socialism.

Which is nice.

Then again, another national coalition after the war, with Labour running the show at home and the conservatives working their magic abroad (and Churchill locked in a room somewhere writing speeches and little else)...that sounds interesting.

Maybe Mr Blair and Mr Pip could declare an unholy alliance and write a one shot of what happened in that time line?

Nope. Out of the 4.5million service personnel who could vote only about 1.7million did. Total votes was 25 million so not a big chunk and of course because of conscription it was fairly evenly spread. Impressively someone has worked it all out and mapped the registered voters to constituencies - if all those service voters had 100% voted Tory (or the best 2nd place in their seat) it might have cost Labour 54 seats compared to the OTL majority of 146. Labour still would have easily won.

Of course after the election the Tories wanted to blame it all on the 'Socialist' Army Education Corps rather than admit their own many failures, while it suited Labour to be seen as the 'choice of the common serviceman' to burnish their defence creditentials so everyone agreed the forces vote had been significant. And like so many of the things British politicians agree on it was a load of rubbish.

You and I have very different definitions of nice.

I am sure such a writing collaboration would go just as smoothly and efficiently as the coalition government.
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So why was it so massively a landslide for Labour?

The majority of the 23.3 million non-service personnel voters really did not want another majority Tory government and so voted Labour. Even as early as 1943 Gallup polls were showing a ~10% lead for Labour and Gallup obviously were only polling people on the Home Front. By March 1945 polls were saying 43% of people wanted the coalition government to continue but 55% would vote for an anti-Tory popular front if that was the only alternative to a Tory majority government. To their credit Labour convinced everyone that 'straight left' was the only way to ensure there would be no Tory majority and Churchill's weird Gestapo speech about Labour convinced people there would be no coalition (Labour had ruled it out as well, but apparently no-one really believed they would turn down power if offered).


A question for the ages, why did people vote the way they did at any particular election. Conservatives had been in power a long time, a lot of the M.O. reports have people wanting to kick them out (or at least get a reduced majority) for that reason, another chunk just did not vote at all (turnout was 73% in '45, jumped up to 84% in 1950). The Conservatives were not trusted to implement the Beveridge report and really not trusted on housing, which was obviously a big issue given all the bomb damaged housing. More specifically they were not trusted on council housing, if your concern was privately built housing then you did vote Tory.

Economically the Conservatives went big on free enterprise vs Labour nationalisations, which was popular with the Middle Classes, those who had done well out of the light industry boom in the South and those that had got a house in the 1930s housing boom, but was pretty unpopular with other groups. There was a sense in the working class and lower middle classes, particularly those outside the Midlands and the South, that the 20s/30s economy really hadn't worked for them and they did not want to just recreate them, which was unfortunate for the Tories as they were seen as wanting just that. Bear in mind massive generalisations in this section and there doubtless were those with different concerns or who had different interpretations.

Interestingly Foreign policy and 'the guilty men' probably weren't a factor, or at least no-one told the pollsters or the M.O. people if it was. Pre-war polling in Feb '39 shows the majority of the public believed appeasement was being done to 'buy time' (46%) or would actually lead to peace (28%), then six years of war probably made it not seem quite so important any more. Given foreign policy is rarely very important to modern elections this seems about right to me.


EDIT: My gut feel on this is that had the Conservatives embraced the Beveridge report and had Churchill not made his Gestapo speech then it would have been a lot closer. If they had made the right noises about council houses, or at least had some idea how people who couldn't afford to buy would get a house, then I think they might have sneaked it or at least got the coalition the public wanted. To get back to DB's original point, it does look at lot more like the Tories losing it than Labour winning it.

I would certainly think after all that it was more to do with a huge pile up of issues for the tories rather than the Labour party doing something right...but have to look deeply at this (and all) landslides because can't be a much greater indication of popular concern than when they happen.

Looking forward to Butterfly going through all this in the 2050s...unless you do do that do with densley.
Right, ok.

I think that it was the domestic reform bit wot won it. Labour was singing the right tune (particularly on housing, as has been mentioned, an issue before the Luftwaffe did their bit for agenda-setting) while the Conservatives were very modest, spouting lines about "the cottage to which the warrior returns" and other Victorian nonsense. I have to agree with the 'what if' of a Conservative Party embracing the choice cuts of Beveridge. But for that you would probably need a new leader, one with real experience but less, well, Churchillian. An Eden 1945 manifesto, anybody?
 
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But first, there were a few housekeeping measures to agree.
Does it matter?
Lloyd George and Churchill had an invitation to dine with the King, t
Nailed their colours to the master there. No way either of them is coming out of this potlcially alive. Which for Chuchill is a shame. Especially with the war coming up...
Lloyd George rolled his eyes. “Does it matter
Exactly!
Sir Maurice Hankey, the Cabinet Secretary, seemed to have aged about twenty years. He entered wearily. “Prime Minister, they’re here.”
As hard as it is to feel sorry for senior civil servants, I do feel a bit sorry for him.
‘They’, Herbert Morrison and Hugh Dalton, were ushered into the Cabinet room. Morrison enjoyed walking around the table, perhaps enjoying the spectacle of an aristocratic Tory, a Welsh Liberal and a Cockney socialist, two of them in evening dress, all meeting to plot and scheme.
I'd personally love it and commit all sorts of eacapdes and chaos before running off into the night. This but really exemplified the Politics as a circus and a game idea.
Churchill nodded, and looked, suspiciously, at Morrison. “Why did you leave Attlee?” Seeing Dalton frown, he moved to reassure them. “We have all of us, sacrificed our careers and created breaches in our parties. You are with friends.”
Yeah, see this was my point. He's never becoming PM now and he knows it. Who's going to be the war time leader under a tory centred and King Bertie country if not him? And unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the answer is...Halifax.
Churchill looked at Lloyd George, then back to the dishevelled King. “Treason,” he growled, “mutiny.”
Um...
I’ve never read, seen or encountered anything that, given my leanings, don’t make him out to be an oily, schemy little t**t. I could be tainted, jaundiced by the revelation that he was Peter Mandelson’s grandfather.
Jesus Christ, really?
An Eden 1945 manifesto, anybody?
What would have to happen would be for otl peace 1945 happen, and then Churchill gets a quiet word (or several quiet words) from his people (perhaps even the monarch though this is unlikely) that he is much better served taking the ermine and becoming Duke of London and going to the Lords rather than staying on as Conservative leader.

If that happened, the tories would have enough time to prep the heir apparent (Eden presumably) for command, and figure out what their manifesto is going to be. With a younger and more 'with it' Eden, an old war hero in the Lords, the B report already out and obviously very popular...they could do it. Or be strong and stable enough that some in Labour would wobble over not trying another national government (which might be enough to screw their campaign, who knows).

Either way, it probably wouldn't be such a landslide for Labour even if they seem pretty certain to win outright.
 
Right then, we see something of our new ‘government’ in action. Of a sort, anyway. Churchill and DLG make an odd couple in practice, spending as much time winding each other up as they seem to be devoting to forming anything like a ministry. On which score, it is interesting to see the candidness with which they (or Churchill, anyway) are talking about political suicide. Aside from a monomaniacal sense of loyalty to the king, and aside from DLG’s continual goal of “be the prime minister”, it is hard to see what exactly the splitters hope to achieve. Behind all of the talk about duty, and the less salubrious talk of revenge, there doesn’t seem to be much of substance that actually unites the ‘king’s party’.

Which, inevitably, leads one to ask oneself: what is it all for?

And now to Labour; I am grateful to @DensleyBlair for their counsel on this one
I was prompted by this to have another look over what exactly I said to you at the time, having forgotten all about it. The answer as far as I can tell seems to have been “not much”, but you are very welcome to my limited counsel any time. :)
 
On which score, it is interesting to see the candidness with which they (or Churchill, anyway) are talking about political suicide.
They'd have to be compelte morons to not know that they're dooming themselves with this action. But yes, the interesting question is what they are hoping hoping achieve before/'if' they get taken down by Parliammet.

Any ideas?
 
They'd have to be compelte morons to not know that they're dooming themselves with this action.
Sure, but there's a long way between knowing something and actually admitting to it. And if they aren't planning to leverage an admission into a steely bond of 'we happy few vs the rest' that might form the basis of a new political group then… what exactly would you do it for? Do these people really love Edward so much?

Answers on postcards please, all.