A prussian AAR with Frederick II : Part 2

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Originally posted by Sarges:

The other point is that inflation is a cumulative one, and not a yearly one (ie: 100% inflation means that everything cost 100% more than in 1492, not that price double each year)

Ah, thanks for clearing this up. So 100% inflation in 1755 is definitely not unusual,
since it has been 263 years since 1492 you would get to his price level
with just 0.263 % yearly inflation (in fact, this seems ridiculously low by todays
standards, but it's probaly feasible for the economic system of the day).

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The Prussian juggernaut rolls forth. Good job putting a beating on the Austians. I am sure it was a sad day when you had to withdrawl from Vienna but it played out well for you nonetheless.

 

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Originally posted by Jiminov:
The economic game doesn't look all that detailed, as there are only five types of industrial improvements and 12 types of goods to trade. However, even if it is limited, its better than most other grand strategy games... Imperialism didn't deal with inflation at all although it did have a better resource gathering & processing model (IMHO).

Actually it is very very complex. But.. this isn't anything you see in outright playing. The economic simulation is, how should I put it, 'beneath a veil of ignorance', paraphrasing John Rawls in an OT fashion.

For example: when deciding marketprice for individual goods ( that your provinces produce) which of course are then used when deciding the total trade value of a CoT, the demand side of goods X is increased by the existing numbers of manufactories in the world producing Y.

Another example: Production income of provinces depend on production value which in its turn depend on the actual market price of the goods produced.It also depends on population size and population growth is increased by buildings and manufactories.

These are only two examples of the function of the economic simulation. However, much of it runs smoothly in a way the player doesn't need to bother with. But to become a Master of the game I think you must have all the small details in the head when playing to optimize performance. However, everything will be explained in the Manual.

/Greven (who also likes economic history)

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Originally posted by Sarges:
inflation is a cumulative one, and not a yearly one (ie: 100% inflation means that everything cost 100% more than in 1492, not that price double each year).

So in reality it is a purchasing power measure, not an inflation measure.

Also, it was possible under a gold standard to have high inflation. This was, however (as Martin alluded to) typically the result of 'debasing' of the coinage by creating alloys with less of the valuable metal in them. Basically inflation is the result of the old 'more money chasing fewer goods' - so if you had fewer goods (as in a war economy), the price of them goes up with the same amount of money in circulation. Or consequently, with the same amount of goods available but debased coinage (or in today's terms, or the Weimar Republic, or the Confederacy, money in circulation growing faster than the production of goods/services).

OK OK - sorry, I took 'Money & Banking' in college. I'm glad to see that this & the war effect of pillaging, etc. is included in the game.

 

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I don't know if this was asked before or not, but I need to know this. at the beginning of the game, is Prussia a strong nation or a vassal of the teutonic order?
or is it both?
i doubt that Prussia could be strong and be a vassal at the sametime. but it's a possibility.

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THE KING IS DEAD, LONG LIVE HETMAN POLSKI.

 

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In the Grand Campaign, Prussia is a vassal of Poland at the start. However, it has a nasty habit of being uncooperative with its Polish superior. Note that in the GC, Brandenburg and Prussia are separate countries as the two countries were not united until 1618.

In the scenarios, it may be different to reflect the historical situation.

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if I pick Poland as my nation with Prussia as my vassal, would I be able to convince Prussia to be more cooperative?
(by convincing I mean a military campign)

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THE KING IS DEAD, LONG LIVE HETMAN POLSKI.

 

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Originally posted by Hetman Polski:
if I pick Poland as my nation with Prussia as my vassal, would I be able to convince Prussia to be more cooperative?
(by convincing I mean a military campign)

Of course. Just remember that Prussia may be more difficult to bring into line than you might expect. Poland has lots of potential enemies in the area that would just love to ally with Prussia (see Sweden). You may be too busy dealing with other powers to bother over a small vassal (see Ottoman Empire, Russia). The Prussians could defeat you in battle outright. And, who knows, maybe the Prussians will behave themselves and no action will be necessary.

EU is a very flexible game. Within reason, you may do what you want. Your success is not guaranteed however. Sapura in a couple of his Poland AARs had to deal with a disloyal Prussia - one such campaign was a disaster.

 

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Sapura in a couple of his Poland AARs had to deal with a disloyal Prussia - one such campaign was a disaster.


Heh too true. Prussia can be very aggressive. That's why if there are signs of disloyality I merely invade and annex them. It's not that easy at times though..


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where can i read those AAR's? in the AAR section of this site, I've seen only 3 AAR's.

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Originally posted by Hetman Polski:
where can i read those AAR's? in the AAR section of this site, I've seen only 3 AAR's.

There's a drop-down menu on the forum subpages that allows you to select how long a topic can be defunct for it still to appear. Just select 'show all topics' and start reading.

 

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Also, it was possible under a gold standard to have high inflation. This was, however (as Martin alluded to) typically the result of 'debasing' of the coinage by creating alloys with less of the valuable metal in them

Debasing the coinage was done with a fair amount of frequency during the EU time frame, mostly to pay off loans. Among the major powers, I have been lead to believe that Spain was the worst,wrt debasing its coinage. Spain did suffer from an astronomical rate of inflation, BTW.

Dutch

 

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Originally posted by Stubborn Dutchman:
Debasing the coinage was done with a fair amount of frequency during the EU time frame, mostly to pay off loans. Among the major powers, I have been lead to believe that Spain was the worst,wrt debasing its coinage. Spain did suffer from an astronomical rate of inflation, BTW.

Dutch

Thanks for the info. Which points again to EU covering another of the important bases for a good strategy game.