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LordInsane said:
The Ottoman Empire was not 'barely hanging on to what it had', the Ottoman Empire in fact had a quite loyal populace. Note that the Arab Revolt, despite significant British aid, was quite unsuccessful (and small). It took the Allies three years to get from Egypt to Anatolia, despite that most of the area was very open and not suited for trench warfare. And the Ottoman Empire did not lose against Italy in Libya because 'harsh desert warfare was all but impossible', they lost because they didn't use their navy, they were in the middle of reorganising their military, and the Balkan states decided to take the opportunity to attack. If anything, it was Italy that learned about the impossibility of 'harsh desert warfare', as the Italy still had not taken control of the region to anything approaching the Ottoman degree until after the Great War (it would go faster in TTL, of course, but it was still quite slow). And it would not be Ottoman expansion as such, it would be expanding de facto rule over areas which de jure are yours.
Oh, and the Ottoman Empire was still seeking British friendship until the UK confiscated ships en route to, and paid for by, the Ottoman Empire, an event that occured after the Great War had begun, and which would not had occured otherwise.

Don't think the reason for a slow advance was becuase of ineffective attacks or (in most cases) impossible to break resistance, you try walking across the desert in summer, and supplies have to be walked in to, it is however, the most advanced front of WWI.

And yes, ok, i was being over the top about Ottoman 'barely hanging on', sure, they had a loyal popualtion, to a degree, but many Iraqis disliked Ottoman control, PTEAP even has lots of events for rebellions in the Ottoman empire.

Alos, relations with the Ottomans were always sour, they wanted cyprus back, they wanted egypt back, they wanted kuweit back. They were never really friends per say, more like enemies enemy sort of thing, they neever supplied them with weapons or training.
 

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Gigalocus said:
Don't think the reason for a slow advance was becuase of ineffective attacks or (in most cases) impossible to break resistance, you try walking across the desert in summer, and supplies have to be walked in to, it is however, the most advanced front of WWI.

And yes, ok, i was being over the top about Ottoman 'barely hanging on', sure, they had a loyal popualtion, to a degree, but many Iraqis disliked Ottoman control, PTEAP even has lots of events for rebellions in the Ottoman empire.

Alos, relations with the Ottomans were always sour, they wanted cyprus back, they wanted egypt back, they wanted kuweit back. They were never really friends per say, more like enemies enemy sort of thing, they neever supplied them with weapons or training.
Incorrect. The Arab population, generally speaking, were loyal. Events in a mod does not history make! And the British did supply the Ottomans with traning and advice, just not the land army, but the Navy. And Kuwait was legally speaking Ottoman, the British never denied that, and it was not an important enough port that the British would not give it back, sooner or later.
 

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LordInsane said:
Incorrect. The Arab population, generally speaking, were loyal. Events in a mod does not history make! And the British did supply the Ottomans with traning and advice, just not the land army, but the Navy. And Kuwait was legally speaking Ottoman, the British never denied that, and it was not an important enough port that the British would not give it back, sooner or later.
Also, for some reason many Arabs thought that if they became independent, they'd end up as European puppets.

Totally silly, right?
 

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By the way, the Ottoman Empire was not absolutist, no more then Germany was. It was an constitutional monarchy, with a strong parliament. In fact, one can argue that the Ottoman Empire was more democratic then Germany in 1914. And it is a worthy reminder that one of previous sultans was deposed for breaking the constitution, so it had some bite.
 

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Yes, but in 1914 there was the dictatorship of the young turks in the Ottoman Empire (imposed after a lot of intrigues after the Balkan wars). Also there was a strong faction for absolute monarchy within the spheres of power in Constantinople. In 1914 the role of the parliamnet were insignifiacant. The Young Turks under Enver Pasha ruled without parliamentary support.
 

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Enver Pasha was idiot, without any political skills. He also was so old guard officer, that he can't stay in power without war. After death of those idiots, parliament could take more power.
 

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yourworstnightm said:
Yes, but in 1914 there was the dictatorship of the young turks in the Ottoman Empire (imposed after a lot of intrigues after the Balkan wars). Also there was a strong faction for absolute monarchy within the spheres of power in Constantinople. In 1914 the role of the parliamnet were insignifiacant. The Young Turks under Enver Pasha ruled without parliamentary support.
Yes, the Young Turks were in power at that time but there was significant discontent about that, even amongst their own ranks. And the absolute monarchy faction was not strong. Do not confuse 'much power invested into the hands of the monarch' with 'all power in the hands of the monarch'.
 

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I decided than there will be a 'reformist' path for the Ottoman Empire- something to set up a bit more constitutional monarchy, to reform the army and to improve industry. It shall be as interesting to play as than any other great power, it just need a little help. :)

Edit: Who know how to reduce the Russian armies efficienty? They are alway steamrolling Germany and A-H but i don't want to reduce their IC more...
 
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General_Grant said:
I decided than there will be a 'reformist' path for the Ottoman Empire- something to set up a bit more constitutional monarchy, to reform the army and to improve industry. It shall be as interesting to play as than any other great power, it just need a little help. :)

Edit: Who know how to reduce the Russian armies efficienty? They are alway steamrolling Germany and A-H but i don't want to reduce their IC more...
I haven't checked their army doctrines...do they have Mass-attack?
 

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Nietzsche said:
I haven't checked their army doctrines...do they have Mass-attack?

They have the Soviets docrtines, whatever they are. I may script an event to reduce their org for the first few month of the war or something... already reduced their gde a bit...
 

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You can replace some Russian starting Inf with Mil.
 

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Crush3r said:
You can replace some Russian starting Inf with Mil.

That would become really unfair. :(
 

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I've already ended the war with the Allies, I was on the CP side, but, both me and Spain didn't get any "victory events", the only winners in the war look like to be UK, Germany and Japan, because Austria was defeated early in the war, still, I managed to get Outer Manchuria (Primorsk) from Russia, throught an individual peace treaty, and I followed Grant's plan and invaded Italy, from the spanish port of Barcelona, yet it was slow and dificult, because I only focus on infantry, normally I add them a Artillery brigade, but now, Italy is a puppet of the Greater Qing Empire, now I must conquer Mongolia, Xibei Xan Ma and Tibet, they have a lot of divisions, fortunately, in Mainland China I have my 3 infantry divisions with 100 experience , with the 5 ability Field Marshall Chiang Kai-Shek at command, they are my Imperial Guard!

The game was very good, now I plan to do one with the Ottomans, it must be that I like to play with decaying and sick empires :D !
 

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I played the game with Romania, cheating to get me in the allies from the start and changing my sliders a little to get PA. DOWed A-H in Jan 1936. The Italians got into the allied camp, succeeded at first, but then got pushed back. Russia and me took Hungary, Transylvania, Slovakia, Banat, Galizia and part of Croatia, The A-H empire collapsed, but there were 3 problems that were fixed by player imput:
1. Zrenjanin went to Serbia, even though they were not involved. I bullied Serbia with a 50% chance and got it, as it was a core.
2. Hungary kept N Transylvania despite it being totally overrun, but they had no cores on it and I bullied them, just like with Serbia.
3. Not really a problem in case Italy was loosing, but Italy didn't get the Dalmatian coast. I solved that by DOWing Croatia, Montenegro and Albania. They got their claim, I got the rest of Croatia, annexed then puppeted it.

After the Ruskies reached the Oder, all progress against Germany halted. On all fronts. I tried to break it in Berlin, Stockholm (Sweden joined Germany to get Finland. Bad move), N Sweden, but nothing. Then, I took advantage of a Russian breakthrough in the North, and took Stockholm and the surrounding area with my tank army, triggering their surrender. Here there was a problem:
Sweden did not renounce claims on Finland.

Than I DOWed Austria and Slovenia, due to very very poor AI shown by the Italians, I took them entirely. Advanced and took Bavaria. Later, after the French and Russians massed many forces (BTW Belgium joined France during the war), I broke them by taking Dresden, and triggering a response by the Germans, that the Russians exploited beyond the Oder. I released Bavaria, so I would keep some spoils from Germany after the war. There were 5 problems with the German surrender events too:
1. Danemark got Schleiswig without being at war.
2. The Russians stalled at the Oder, even if they were outnumbering Stralsund by 180-35/40.
3. The French were kind of static, the Russians had managed to get to Essen.
4. Poland got it's spoils, but at the good performance Russia had, they didn't even get Memel.
5. England had spoils to Italy (Ghana and Berbera in British Somalia) even though they were not at war.

Immediately after the German surrender, ITALY DOWED GREECE, NO MUSSOLINI INVOLVED! At first it was a static war, but then Italy finally pulled of a good series of massive amphibious landings, to redeem their previous lackluster AI performance.

Then the WHTO and later, the Entente DOWed Japan (actually Japan DOWed the US first, and the Entente joined in the fun). I'm currently at this stage in the game.
 

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Crush3r:
First, AI still follows vanilla AI, so Italy DOW on Greece, Japan on USA, and probabally Ecuador and Peru, Japan on China, china on China etc


Also, you did play ahistorically, so you can expect some differences.

Anywho, about Russia, what about giving them poor ministers, so Russia can't use most of IC until war (how does Russia have more IC then the British empire?) or giving them very weak doctrines, or having alot of its army unable to move.
 

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Yes but spoils need to be fine tuned depending on who's in and who actually got the country to surrender.