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So, just a normal everyday login to the Paradox Forums when...

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Oh nice.

Wait...

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Just give me a second here.

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What are you not telling me.
 

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So... There are at least two new games.

For this once, I will be the first to say it : Victoria III and Rome 2 (or any other antiquity title)?
 

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Are there any games other than Steel Division announced? That's one of the two new games, other must BE VIC3 VIC 3 VICTORIA 3 YESYEYSYEYEYSYSYYEYEYEYEYSYYSYSYSYEYEYYSS VICIVVICIVICICIVICVICVICVICVICIVCI333333333333333333
 

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I DONT KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ARE WE WRONG ARE WE RIGHT ARE WE OVERHUPED DID WE FIGURE IT OUG WHATS HAPPENING
 

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Remember, this is a Paradox Interactive event, not a PDS one - so there could be another 'imported' title.
 

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For this once, I will be the first to say it : Victoria III and Rome 2 (or any other antiquity title)?

Nope.

Its very simple.

Pure fantasy games = cheaper to produce, less history to research, and less scripting/content designer's time required to add all the database information (just imagine how long it takes to research culture based names, dynasties etc).

So at this point i fully expect that any new games will be pure fantasy like Stellaris.

(edit: this isnt my theory, but my friend's)
 
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Remember, this is a Paradox Interactive event, not a PDS one - so there could be another 'imported' title.
I feel like they won't have another title besides Steel Divison.
Nope.

Its very simple.

Pure fantasy games = cheaper to produce, less history to research, and less scripting/content designer's time required to add all the database information (just imagine how long it takes to research culture based names, dynasties etc).

So at this point i fully expect that any new games will be pure fantasy like Stellaris.

(edit: this isnt my theory, but my friend's)
So they're just going to completely abandon their entire focus and genre just because it's easier :p
 

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So... There are at least two new games.

For this once, I will be the first to say it : Victoria III and Rome 2 (or any other antiquity title)?
We know of three different projects: Titus, Tiberius, and Caligula. Dallas is a different name for either Titus or Tiberius---it got that name when they applied for funds from the EU cultural heritage fund. Also them getting money from that fund must mean that it's some historical game presumably centered around Europe (why else would the EU Cultural Heritage fund fund them)---my guess is Vicky III for that.

*Subjects TinyWiking for Chinese water torture to make him speak.*

Likely will be Steel Division as a playable game, if I remember rightly though there were two other codenamed projects being worked on so likely another will be revealed, maybe both but that might be asking for too much :D
Three project names; I really doubt Steel Division is one of those three since we've known of Titus and Tiberius for years so neither of those most likely is Steel Division. Caligula could be, though the below quoted post is the first time I ever heard of Caligula and that was in late September last year---could be Steel Division though it seems too early, since if it is then they can't have teamed up too far before Johan told about Caligula and would he tell about such new a project? Might be, might not be. I'm slanting towards no---also because Eugen didn't start following PI on twitter until a few weeks before reveal (that following was what made @Narwhal guess the teamup before it was revealed). Given that they started following before reveal why wouldn't they then have done way before if it is Caligula?

So my bet is that there's still three unrevealed projects---though it is possible Caligula is Steel Division.

Does anybody know what the Steel Division forum was called before reveal? Because if they did like in the past then it was called the project name. The EU4 forum for instance was the Truman forum until project Truman was revealed as EU4. Similarly for Armstrong (HOI4), Nero (Runemaster; or was it HOI4 which was Nero and RM Armstrong?), and Augustus (Stellaris).

Well, before 2004 we only did one game a year, and didn't publish any external titles.

I have no clue about which 3rd party titles we are doing, how many they are, nor when we will announce them.

At PDS we have no games that will be announced anytime soon, but there are plenty of projects with codenames mentioned around here before like Titus, Tiberius & Caligula, which have active teams working on them.

However, these days we do not announce games as sooon as we have "something" to show, but now we wait until we have a finished alpha version of the game, that we know that we will release at a given time. We do not want to end up cancelling things we have already announced like Runemaster and East vs West, nor experience delays over 1.5 years like we did with Hearts of Iron IV.

Hadn't heard of Caligula before. Interesting that you have three PDS games under development.
 

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So they're just going to completely abandon their entire focus and genre just because it's easier :p

Yes and no.

A lot of speculation:

-Remember what Paradox people have said in their recent videos. They are no longer announcing games that are early in development, only games that are near-ish to release.
-Games that are currently "active" have their developing and designer teams working on them. As long as they are making DLCs for current iterations it is extremely unlikely that they have the next iteration of the game in development (IMO same people working on 2 different projects same time is not very efficient / smart).

-Personally i see EU living on forever. There will always be a team working either on DLC or the next game IMO. It is the flagship of the company.
-I also kinda see HoI living on forever, but to a somewhat lesser degree than EU.
-Then there is CK. The thing about CK is that it was a major hit for Paradox back when it came out. It opened up Paradox to a completely new crowd and the forum and player base exploded in numbers. Basically the current rise of Paradox is thanks to CK2. So im almost 100% sure that CK will live on, although i fully expect it to evolve heavily, specially if different project leads with new and different design ideas take it over for next iterations (a lot of people worked on CK2 over the years).

The advantages of above mentioned projects are that they already have full teams of designers working on them. People who are familiar with the setting and everything.

Problem with Victoria and Rome is that these projects (as far as i know) have been dead for ages, and their former champions, are currently working on living and extremely successful projects.

So in order to get either one of those projects to live on, you need a designer to step up and champion it, they have to assemble a whole team from scratch and delve into an extremely complicated setting. This is expensive and time consuming if you wish to create a product with complexity and quality :)

Thus as long as EU4, CK2 and HoI4 are alive (with big name champion-devs working on them) the chances of Rome or Victoria popping up out of nowhere are IMO very low. What is many times more likely is projects such as Stellaris, a much smaller scope game where you dont need nearly as many resources to create the world for it, and where a right game design idea (again, such as Stellaris) that fills the right niche at the right time (Cities, Stellaris etc) can be a blockbusting hit.

So my prediction for any near future new announcements is that its either a brand new IP developed by Paradox, or something developed by someone else and published by Paradox (as has been a trend in last few years).
 

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So my prediction for any near future new announcements is that its either a brand new IP developed by Paradox, or something developed by someone else and published by Paradox (as has been a trend in last few years).

<crosses fingers for a Cold War game developed by Paradox (because anyone else will fail. Poorly.).>
 

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Three project names; I really doubt Steel Division is one of those three since we've known of Titus and Tiberius for years so neither of those most likely is Steel Division. Caligula could be, though the below quoted post is the first time I ever heard of Caligula and that was in late September last year---could be Steel Division though it seems too early, since if it is then they can't have teamed up too far before Johan told about Caligula and would he tell about such new a project? Might be, might not be. I'm slanting towards no---also because Eugen didn't start following PI on twitter until a few weeks before reveal (that following was what made @Narwhal guess the teamup before it was revealed). Given that they started following before reveal why wouldn't they then have done way before if it is Caligula?

So my bet is that there's still three unrevealed projects---though it is possible Caligula is Steel Division.

Does anybody know what the Steel Division forum was called before reveal? Because if they did like in the past then it was called the project name. The EU4 forum for instance was the Truman forum until project Truman was revealed as EU4. Similarly for Armstrong (HOI4), Nero (Runemaster; or was it HOI4 which was Nero and RM Armstrong?), and Augustus (Stellaris).
Steel Division is definitely not one of the secret PDS projects which were discussed in the PDS section. It is explicitly stated in the post you quote that the three secret projets are Paradox Development Studio games. Johan even said "I have no clue" concerning the publishing. Also, published PI games most likely have different rules when it comes to code names.