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Hello there everybody. :cool:

In my current GC (1.03) as France I have encountered a few strange things I hope you people can clarify:

- I noticed that small POPs who just arrived in the country through immigration tend to merge with larger existing ones and adopt their culture. Now, I would like my immigrants to adopt the French culture but some of them prefer to merge with existing "stable" minorities. For instance, are Polish POPs more likely to merge and blend in with Lithuanians than Frenchmen (due to a possible closeness of their culture), or is it random?

- I assumed that to grant statehood to a colony, one of the province in it must have a majoritory French population. Now, after a war against Egypt, I annexed the two Greek islands it previously held. Those islands were populated exclusively with Greeks yet I could grant statehood to them. Is it possible that by "accepted primary culture" the game implied European culture rather than French culture?

- Later I had the "Luxemboug crisis" event I went to war with the Prussians, defeated them soundly and satellised them. I then got an event titled "Napoleonic triomph" in which I learned South German will no longer be accepted as a national culture, although it never was, what did I miss here?

- When I was at war with the Egyptians (no allies, just me and them) I occupied all their provinces, destroyed every single division and fleet they had then procedeed to the peace negociations, planning to take all their lands except for the capital and come back five years later to finish the job. Alas, it took more than 200% war score to ask for all these territories, and Egypt refused all such demands. Shouldn't an uncivilised nation agree to any peace offering when it is entirely occupied?

- Err... that's it for the moment, thanks for any insight. I hope these questions haven't been asked a thousand times already, in which case I deeply apologise.
 

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Oxymore said:
- I noticed that small POPs who just arrived in the country through immigration tend to merge with larger existing ones and adopt their culture. Now, I would like my immigrants to adopt the French culture but some of them prefer to merge with existing "stable" minorities. For instance, are Polish POPs more likely to merge and blend in with Lithuanians than Frenchmen (due to a possible closeness of their culture), or is it random?

Pops of the same culture won't merge, are you sure they didn't emigrate to another state if there was no work for them in this one?

Oxymore said:
- I assumed that to grant statehood to a colony, one of the province in it must have a majoritory French population. Now, after a war against Egypt, I annexed the two Greek islands it previously held. Those islands were populated exclusively with Greeks yet I could grant statehood to them. Is it possible that by "accepted primary culture" the game implied European culture rather than French culture?

This is indeed strange, I'd lean towards your being right though, it's probably possible to grant statehood if the primary culture isn't yours, but if it's the primary culture of another civilized nation.

Oxymore said:
- Later I had the "Luxemboug crisis" event I went to war with the Prussians, defeated them soundly and satellised them. I then got an event titled "Napoleonic triomph" in which I learned South German will no longer be accepted as a national culture, although it never was, what did I miss here?

This is a bug, probably something the devs missed but it sounds pretty harmless...

Oxymore said:
- When I was at war with the Egyptians (no allies, just me and them) I occupied all their provinces, destroyed every single division and fleet they had then procedeed to the peace negociations, planning to take all their lands except for the capital and come back five years later to finish the job. Alas, it took more than 200% war score to ask for all these territories, and Egypt refused all such demands. Shouldn't an uncivilised nation agree to any peace offering when it is entirely occupied?

You can't demand more than a certain number from an AI, it will refuse all exorbitant demands. You could ask them for 6-7 provinces and then try to stick in a war indemnities, or a humiliate so it's cheaper in prestige to DoW them next time. Interestingly, if a human has -100% warscore to an AI, he's forced to accept any demands. A little mechanism in there to help the AI a little.

OMG, I posted an answer before Memnon or DR made it here? :confused: :confused: :confused:
 

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Oxymore said:
Hello there everybody. :cool:

In my current GC (1.03) as France I have encountered a few strange things I hope you people can clarify:

- I noticed that small POPs who just arrived in the country through ...

POPs must be in the same province, of the same religion, same culture and same job to merge. Anything else was probably emigration. [post=2636955][FAQ][/post]

- I assumed that to grant statehood to a colony, one of the province in it must have a majoritory French population.

The requirements to grant statehood are:

1) One province has a majority of your state culture

2) Or it is on the same continent as your capital This is how you get to grant statehood to greek islands [post=2636992][FAQ][/post]

Shouldn't an uncivilised nation agree to any peace offering when it is entirely occupied?

Not that I am aware. You may have to do it in several steps.
 
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Oxymore said:
Hello there everybody. :cool:

In my current GC (1.03) as France I have encountered a few strange things I hope you people can clarify:

You should get 1.03b :)

Oxymore said:
- I noticed that small POPs who just arrived in the country through immigration tend to merge with larger existing ones and adopt their culture. Now, I would like my immigrants to adopt the French culture but some of them prefer to merge with existing "stable" minorities. For instance, are Polish POPs more likely to merge and blend in with Lithuanians than Frenchmen (due to a possible closeness of their culture), or is it random?

While, as Lamp says, pops of a different culture can't merge, they can be assimilated into you culture and then merge. This process goes faster if you have a citizenship party in power, although I don't recall if France has parties with this or not.


Oxymore said:
- I assumed that to grant statehood to a colony, one of the province in it must have a majoritory French population. Now, after a war against Egypt, I annexed the two Greek islands it previously held. Those islands were populated exclusively with Greeks yet I could grant statehood to them. Is it possible that by "accepted primary culture" the game implied European culture rather than French culture?

You need a majority state culture in one province of the state OR it has to be in the same continent as you capital. Since you're both in europe you can grant statehood.

Oxymore said:
- Later I had the "Luxemboug crisis" event I went to war with the Prussians, defeated them soundly and satellised them. I then got an event titled "Napoleonic triomph" in which I learned South German will no longer be accepted as a national culture, although it never was, what did I miss here?

*sigh* First, that event is meant to come after the Franco-prussia war for german unification, but it just checks for any france/prussian war. I've fixed that in my mod. France also starts with south german culture in the later scenarios, so in my mod I also check to see if you have south german culture before that fires. While I'm on the subject of mods, I have a bunch of them to fix various bugs, check the patchs and mods thread in my sig.

Oxymore said:
- When I was at war with the Egyptians (no allies, just me and them) I occupied all their provinces, destroyed every single division and fleet they had then procedeed to the peace negociations, planning to take all their lands except for the capital and come back five years later to finish the job. Alas, it took more than 200% war score to ask for all these territories, and Egypt refused all such demands. Shouldn't an uncivilised nation agree to any peace offering when it is entirely occupied?

Well, consider the amount of land you're asking for here. You could annex them all in one go, but an actual peace treaty is meant to be less harsh (e.g. leave them as a functioning nation). The downside to annexing them all at once, is you'll pick up a pile of badboy points.

Oxymore said:
- Err... that's it for the moment, thanks for any insight. I hope these questions haven't been asked a thousand times already, in which case I deeply apologise.

You may want to check out Vikiwiki! :)
 

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Darkrenown said:
Well I'm busy with the tutorial, Rafiki is sleeping and I've got Memnon testing VIP 0.3's ACW chain. :p

If you need more beta testers catch me in IRC, I've actually been warming up to VIP lately. Played a VIP GC as Sardinia and now playing as Russia, turned out my bad first impression was because I played the USA. 0.2 has an event popping up for the USA on a weekly basis it seemed.

So, anything other than USA (though it's probably been corrected by now) I'll be happy to test!
 

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Thank you all. Forgot about the "same continent as your capital" bit :eek:o , it rarely happens to me (probably because I don't play as Russia that much)

Speaking about assimilation, yet another strange thing happened later in my game: while the bonapartists were in power, I invaded Brazil from my bases in Guyana and got large parts of its northern lands in the peace deal; fifteen years later I check the population there and see entire states full of French POPs with no Brazilians in sight. :eef: They can't all have emigrated, those states are too densly populated for that. "Resistance is futile", they say. :D

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