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I've noticed that for Burgundy, if I choose to attempt to become king of France, some provinces get cursed with a permanent revolt risk modifier of +5. Heres the event showing it:

Code:
#The Estate of Charles VI (triggered by 1000017 ->FRA )

event = {
id = 1000018
random = no
country = BUR

name = "The Estate of Charles VI"
desc = "The death of Charles VI and the still unstable military situation left Phillip the Good alone at the head of the royal government. This position would not have been awkward if, in Bourges, there had not been the Dauphin, legitimate heir to the crown. For the Duke of Burgundy, denying the rights of the Dauphin with the support of the Parliament of Paris would allow him to approach the throne, but to let the throne go to Charles VII at a price was also a possibility. One path could preserve his influence on the Crown while guaranteeing peace, while the other meant an uncertain war and a chance at the throne."

action_a = {
name = "Long Live King Charles VII !"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = relation which = BOU value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = DAU value = 200 }
command = { type = relation which = ORL value = 50 }
command = { type = relation which = PRO value = 50 }
command = { type = alliance which = DAU }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 376 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 384 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 385 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 386 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 408 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 411 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = DAU value = 413 }
command = { type = addcore which = 383 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000020 } #Long Live King Charles VII! ->DAU
command = { type = badboy value = -2 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Deny the Rights of the Dauphin"
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 2 }
command = { type = relation which = BOU value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = DAU value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = ORL value = -50 }
command = { type = relation which = PRO value = -50 }
command = { type = trigger which = 1000019 } #Burgundy Refuses the Rights of Charles ->DAU
command = { type = inherit which = FRA }
[color=orange]command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 383 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 384 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 385 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 386 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 376 value = 5 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 413 value = 5 }[/color]
command = { type = badboy value = 2 }
}
}

Won't this screw up things when I become France, because I'll be left be a permanent revolt risk in some of my provinces? Thus, shouldn't the provincal revoltrisk either be timed, probably on the order of years, or, ideally, have an event removing it?

Or, does it work that changing nations into France will remove my revoltrisk automatically?

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Normally all province revoltrisks are cleared by changing tag (as when the province change owner), but I don't know if that applies to this case as well, Try triggering an event that makes you France, and tell us the result! It might be that this is carefully thought out after all.
 

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Just one more complaint about Burgundy becoming France, if you don't mind. I notice the lack of Burgundian monarchs for a Burgundian France. I do believe the fantasy monarchs for Burgundy would be most appropriate for this role, but I don't know which monarch IDs are free. I tried looking them up on the ID tag list, but it doesn't say which ones are free, unlike for the event tags.

Any advice, so I can fix this up for evil folks like me? :D I'm thinking of just using the free Burgundian tags for the Franco-Burgundian monarchs.
 

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Norrefeldt said:
Normally all province revoltrisks are cleared by changing tag (as when the province change owner), but I don't know if that applies to this case as well, Try triggering an event that makes you France, and tell us the result! It might be that this is carefully thought out after all.
No, remember my test with Rhodes in Havard's Bible thread. Revoltrisk won't change if there is a tag change for the country.

[*]Command province_revoltrisk. It modifies the revolt risk in province x with value y indefinitely, until lowered by another event, or until the province is in the hands of another nation (this also applies to nations changing tags). It cannot be lowered to below zero.Testing shows that changing tag doesn't change or reset provinces revoltrisk value. (For example Muscovy -> Russia)
We need an event to lower the province revoltrisk for Burgundy and another, if really needed, for Burgundy->France.
 

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YodaMaster said:
No, remember my test with Rhodes in Havard's Bible thread. Revoltrisk won't change if there is a tag change for the country.


We need an event to lower the province revoltrisk for Burgundy and another, if really needed, for Burgundy->France.
Errh, I ought to remeber what I had written.. :eek:o (After Havard's update, there might be some obsolete material in that thread, I plan to include more hard fatcs from testing with AI files.) Something is needed. Wouldn't it be possible, for simplicity, to change it to overall RR, or is that permanent province badly RR needed?
 

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TheBagelmeister said:
Just one more complaint about Burgundy becoming France, if you don't mind. I notice the lack of Burgundian monarchs for a Burgundian France. I do believe the fantasy monarchs for Burgundy would be most appropriate for this role, but I don't know which monarch IDs are free. I tried looking them up on the ID tag list, but it doesn't say which ones are free, unlike for the event tags.

Any advice, so I can fix this up for evil folks like me? :D I'm thinking of just using the free Burgundian tags for the Franco-Burgundian monarchs.
I have the solution.
Use 049500 range. Don't renumber existing French monarchs but consider existing monarchs will start at 049500. Count the number of existing monarchs and start alternative burgundian monarchs with this number.
For example, if there are 53 (I can't check actually the right number) monarchs in monarchs.fra, start your new monarchs with id 049553. Don't forget to add the 0 at the beginning (and make them dormant, of course).

Don't forget to post here the new monarchs and the modification to the event to sleep "regular French monarchs" and activate this alternative dynasty.

:)
 

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Wouldn't it be possible, for simplicity, to change it to overall RR, or is that permanent province badly RR needed?
No idea but it seems to be wiser because we can define the number of months for global revoltrisk. I can't check right now if the involved provinces are not only the French ones and not Burgundy itself.

EDIT: when Aegnor's proposal for "automatic" comments in events for provinces names could be very helpful...
 
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Well, I am going to work on some fantasy Franco-Burgundian monarchs and what not, and maybe fool around with some events.

However, I would like to comment about lowering the RR of the provinces. Considering that making an event for each province to keep track if Burgundy owned then when the +RR event would be too complicated, maybe the RR should just end in 1461 when Charles VII dies, or in 1462, when Burgundy can finally become France. The event in which this extra RR gets added is in the later part of 1422 (see, events/AGCEEP_HYW_Burgundy-1000018 and events/AGCEEP_HYW_France-1000017). I do believe that if the Burgundians can finally 'legitimately' become French kings after the Dauphine Charles dies, that the French provinces would be a little less rebellious after the Dauphine passes away.

Anyway, what about the events in which we get left with Mary as Charles' only heir. Although there are fantasy Burgundian monarchs, the ones I plan on using for France, I'm rather curious how we'd go from Charles VII le Temerarie to Philippe VIII. Or, will we have a succession crisis, to flavor things up a bit? :D

PS- Is it even possible to time limit the province revoltrisk? Or will we need to go blindly, with the risk of having a negative RR modifier in some lucky province? :confused:
 
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I thought I'd show you the monarch list I made and the event, just for some more tweaking and expanding. I did take the time to change the monarchs' names to French names, such as from Philippe III (Burgundian) to Philippe VIII (French).

Monarch list:
Code:
# Si Les Bourgogne s'emparent de la couronne de france à la guerre de cent ans.

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19992 }
	name = "Philippe VII le Bon"
	startdate = {
		day = 10
		month = september
		year = 1443
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 15
		month = june
		year = 1467
	}
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 8
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 19993 }
	name = "Charles VII le Teméraire"
	startdate = {
		day = 15
		month = june
		year = 1467
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1486
	}
	DIP = 2
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 7
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049541 }
	name = "Philippe VIII"
	startdate = {
		year = 1486
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1526
	}
	DIP = 6
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 5
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049542 }
	name = "Charles VIII"
	startdate = {
		year = 1526
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1560
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 5
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049543 }
	name = "Jean III Roi de Lune"
	startdate = {
		year = 1560
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1598
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 7
	MIL = 8
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049544 }
	name = "Henri II *"
	startdate = {
		year = 1598
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1631
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 4
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049545 }
	name = "Charles IX"
	startdate = {
		year = 1631
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1661
	}
	DIP = 7
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 4
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049546 }
	name = "Philippe IX"
	startdate = {
		year = 1661
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1702
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 6
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049547 }
	name = "Marie I"
	startdate = {
		year = 1702
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1730
	}
	DIP = 7
	ADM = 7
	MIL = 3
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049548 }
	name = "Charles X"
	startdate = {
		year = 1730
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1769
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 6
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049549 }
	name = "Jean IV"
	startdate = {
		year = 1769
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1787
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 4
	dormant = yes
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049550 }
	name = "Henri III"
	startdate = {
		year = 1787
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1820
	}
	DIP = 3
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 4
	dormant = yes
}

and the event:

Code:
#Fantasy Burgundian Monarchs#
event = {
	id = 20017 #Triggered by 20100 -> Burgundy#
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "Burgundian Monarchs"
	desc = "EVENTHIST3589"
	style = 1
	action_a = {
		name = "The French throne is ours"
		command = { type = setflag which = Franco_Burgundian } #Might be needed# 
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19992 } #Burgundian Monarchs#
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 19993 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 049541 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 049542 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 049543 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 049544 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 049545 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 049546 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 049547 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 049548 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 049549 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 049550 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04003 } #Regular French Monarchs#
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04000 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04004 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04005 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04006 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04007 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04008 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 19995 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04009 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04010 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04011 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 19996 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04012 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 19997 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04013 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 19998 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04014 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04015 }
		command = { type = sleepmonarch which = 04019 }
	}
}

And the RR reduction event, taking the exact same provinces and RR as in the the event 10000018 - Choice B (AGCEEP_HYW_Burgundy), however, with a negative.

Code:
#Provincal Revolt Risk Reduction#
event = {
	id = 20018
	trigger = { event = 20100 }
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "Acceptance of the French population"
	desc = "In order for the Burgundians to gain control of the French throne, they could not allow either the English or the Dauphine to gain the throne. Not only did the Burgundian Duke, Philippe 'The Good' prevent the English from acquiring the throne, but when after Charles VI died, the Duke blocked the Dauphine, Charles, from being crowned king. Instead, he confiscated the remaining territory under French rule. However, this showed the Burgundian's true ambitions, and the French populace grew uneasy. However, once the French crown was finally gained by the Burgundian Dukes, the populations in and around Ile de France felt less threatened, and less rebellious."
	style = 1
	action_a = {
		name = "Finally, less trouble in the North"
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 383 value = -5 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 384 value = -5 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 385 value = -5 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 386 value = -5 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 376 value = -5 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 413 value = -5 }
	}
}

I just read that the province RR can't be lower than 0, so in provinces that Burgundy might not own, it won't create an advantage.

However, I am curious if people have any better ideas for the description, considering my writing and storytelling skills aren't the best... :D

PS- I seem to suffering from a mismatch error for both new events, 20017 and 20018. However, I looked at the list free IDs at the AGCEEP repository. Seems to me these two IDs are already used. I think someone should update the repository so folks like me don't need to sort through the allegedly free and really free IDs. ;)
 
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I think it would be nice to have bourbons appear and take over at some stage, simply to have those revolution sequences etc. fire properly. And furtermore, with all those fantasy monarchs, how do we have those wars of religion in 16th century?
 

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almoravid said:
I think it would be nice to have bourbons appear and take over at some stage, simply to have those revolution sequences etc. fire properly. And furtermore, with all those fantasy monarchs, how do we have those wars of religion in 16th century?

We could always make it so that its possible for the Bourbons to appear through event. We could just do another wakemonarch/sleepmonarch event, and an event chain, in order to allow the player to choose Bourbons. Its already possible for the Guise monarchs of Lorraine to become the French monarchs, so I don't see why we must be limited to only the Bourbons for the later game.
 

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War of Religion and French Revolution are not tied to monarchs in triggers but we could have strange description for events... I checked monarchs.fra, for example with Burgundy, we have already 2 dormant monarchs but after "Charles le Téméraire" (in French) death, historical monarchs come back...
 

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YodaMaster said:
War of Religion and French Revolution are not tied to monarchs in triggers but we could have strange description for events... I checked monarchs.fra, for example with Burgundy, we have already 2 dormant monarchs but after "Charles le Téméraire" (in French) death, historical monarchs come back...

Which is why we can create a seperate sequence for the Burgundian monarchs. All we need is a flag for the Burgundian monarchs, and a sleepevent for the normal events. Anyway, as for the the missing Burgundian monarchs, I already created a bunch of fantasy Franco-Burgundian monarchs as seen above.