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As far as I remember Germany will not accept any peace proposal... Are you planning some kind of event-triggered peace?

You seem to be right: I tried just for fun: We offered white peace, and it was rejected. So, I guess this is gonna be an endless war :( .

TigerofMalaysia: I don't think we would go as far as the Ukraine, even if we could. But I'll try to liberate Poland if I can - we owe them for the 1936 thing we did ;) .

Borna: Thanks for enlightening me about the "hrvatsko-ugarska" thing! I did not know that. The Hungarians called the kingdom simply "Magyar Királyság", without even mentioning the Croats :eek: . BTW, how come it's "ugarska" and not "madjarska"? I thought in Croatian Hungary is called "Madjarska".

Cloudyvortex: It's ok, and yes, SMEP sounds good.

Dhimmi: Thanks for the peace-keeping ;). Especially, for your suggestion in point 3. :D

Hungarian Lord and KuzuX: Thanks a lot guys!

Rensslaer: Thanks. And it's a shame BP did not fire, or at least GER did not liberate some of the countries it occupied. Currently, after loosing most of their IC, their TC is 1000+/100- :mad:. They can hardly move.

Earth's Savior: Well, Berlin is currently fortified and defended by 100-150 divisions. Would not be easy...

For the interceptor vs fighter thing, I will build both. I started with fighters, 'cause I already developed Adv Fighter.
 

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hobotnicajoe said:
Earth's Savior: Well, Berlin is currently fortified and defended by 100-150 divisions. Would not be easy...
So THAT's why the Dutch couldn't take it. 'cause nothing else can stop the Dutch. ;)
 
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For the interceptor vs fighter thing, I will build both. I started with fighters, 'cause I already developed Adv Fighter.

yes it would be a waste of time and money if you gave up on fighters, now when you already developed adv. fighters tehn........

in the next update, i whish for ic count, hmmm, manpower count, hmmm, resource situation :D
 
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Borna: Thanks for enlightening me about the "hrvatsko-ugarska" thing! I did not know that. The Hungarians called the kingdom simply "Magyar Királyság", without even mentioning the Croats :eek: . BTW, how come it's "ugarska" and not "madjarska"? I thought in Croatian Hungary is called "Madjarska".


yes thats monarchy for you, everybody has their name for it......... :rofl:

and yes its madjarska, ugarska is older name for hungary, on old croatian, which isnt used anymore, it was called actually horvatsko-ugarska monarhija...........you see we called our country also differently back then.......horvatska
 

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..horvatska
Poor Croats, it seems you were pretty much "Hungarized" at that time: "horvát" is Hungarian for "Croat"... So, if I recall, a few hundred years ago, Hungary was Germanized (by Austria), Croatia was Hungarized.... Who was Croatizied? ... Oh, maybe the Serbian minority in Lika? :D :D Nice chain... :)

For the IC thing, it's changing by the minute, but here is the status on 11th August 1944: 145K energy, 61K metal, 31K rares, 86K oil, 5K supplies, 300 money, 128 manpower, 403/283 TC, and 126/87 IC. I'll give the precise values in the end of year summary, when things settle a bit.

Snake IV: Yep, Berlin seems impossible to take. Btw, thanks for voting for my AAR in the poll ;). I'm glad you like the stuff.
 

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War with the Axis: The Axis Counter-Offensive (1st – 11th August 1944)


The Liberation of Bulgaria (1st-4th August)

The Hungarians knew that the fortified provinces of former Czechoslovakia must be secured before the Germans re-organize their forces to be able to counter-attack. So, on 1st August, at dawn, the XVI. Mechanized Corps launched and attack on Usti. The defenders gave up after 8 hours of fighting. In the meanwhile, in Bessarabia, the 17th Mountain Division gained victory in Chisinev.

On 2nd August, the III. Infantry and VIII. Panzer Corps attacked Friedrischhafen. The 5 defending divisions decided to retreat after 5 hours of fighting.

On 3rd August, the 63rd Mechanized Division occupied the undefended Oppeln, and the XVI. Mechanized Corps arrived in Usti. In the east, the 17th Mountain Division captured Chisinev and the Hungarian Air Force destroyed a retreating infantry division in Iasi.

In the beginning of August the Hungarian diplomacy decided to liberate Bulgaria and set up a friendly government. The Bulgarians joined a military alliance with Hungaro-Croatia, and joined the war against the Axis. Additionally, Croatia got Sarajevo and Uzice. In return, both Bulgaria and Croatia accepted that they would allow the Hungarians use up to 30% of their land forces for anti-partisan duties.



The independent Bulgaria and the new Croatian borders – 3rd August, 1944


Germany Counter-Attacks (5th- 8th August)

On 5th August, the Hungarians launched a few attacks against Axis forces in Poznan and Lvov, without having intention to actually occupy the provinces. As soon as the Germans retreated, the Hungarian Air Force was assigned to bomb the retreating divisions. This tactics was widely used throughout the campaign, and caused the destruction of several Axis units.

The same day, at dawn, the Germans counter-attacked Strakovnice from Nuremberg. The single Hungarian defender division was outnumbered 11 to 1. The XIV., VIII., and XVI. Corps tried to flank the attacker, but in vain. Around noon, the Hungarians retreated. An important point of the planned defensive line, Strakovnice was lost.

On 6th August, in Bessarabia, as soon as the V. Mountaineers occupied Beltsy, they faced a heavy German counter-attack. 10 German divisions fought against the two weakened Hungarian. Only after 4 hours of fighting the Hungarians had to retreat towards Stryj.

On 7th August, the III. Infantry Corps arrived in Friedrichshafen. Just a few hours later, 14 German divisions counter-attacked the province. The Germans knew that getting hold of the province is crucial, not to lose the surrounded forces of Freiburg. The 3 defending Hungarian units decided to retreat towards Munich.

The next day, the Germans attacked Oppeln. The exhausted 2 Hungarian divisions fought bravely and repelled the attack of the 3 German units. To battle lasted for 4 hours. Unfortunately, the Axis repeated the attack by the end of the day, and they were victorious. The 63rd and 64th Mechanized Divisions retreated towards Cracow.

In the meantime, the Supreme Command recognized that the Axis defenders in Poland are relatively weak, so it decided to try to liberate Poland to cut off the Germans eastern forces from the capital. The VII. Motorized Corps attempted an attack on Kielice, but they failed poorly: the attack was broken-up. Luckily, the forces on the Polish front got re-enforced when the I. Infantry Corps arrived in Przemysl.



The front after the first Axis counter-attacks – 8th August, 1944


France to the Rescue (9th- 11th August)

France saved the southern Hungarian forces, when they attacked the surrounded German forces of Freiburg. The battle started on the evening of 8th August, and lasted for 3 full days. Finally, the defending 10-15 German divisions surrendered on 11th August.

On 10th August, the Hungarians attempted yet another attack on Kielice. This time it involved bigger forces: the I., and XV. Infantry and the VII. Motorized Corps. Victory came after 10 hours of fighting.

On 11th August, the Germans liberated Oppeln and attacked Szombathelyi’s HQ that arrived in Strakovice. The HQ retreated towards Pilsen.

Luckily, the Axis forces did not actually occupy neither Strakovnice in the west, nor Beltsy in the east – two important provinces of the defensive line – only forced the Hungarian forces to retreat. Even though the Germans achieved a few victories in some provinces, the defensive line was not broken.

The Hungarians lost 22.420 soldiers since the campaign started.



The front after the destruction of the German forces of Freiburg – 11th August, 1944
 
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UPDATE! Awsome, this is my absolute favorite AAR!

What are you going to do against the stretching out of your forces? You really need to shorten the front, more pockets in the west possible? I'm really curious where this will lead especially because of the massive amount of land that the allies will have to capture to finish of germany.
How many troops do the germans have?
 
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hobotnicajoe said:
PWho was Croatizied? ... Oh, maybe the Serbian minority in Lika? :D :D Nice chain... :)

well, lika was part of croatia, and they came to us, running from turks, so they during time, blended with the locals, natives, Croatization would imply that we tried to change culture of other nation, unwillingly, in their country thus trying to annex their land.......this isnt the case..........
 
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For the IC thing, it's changing by the minute, but here is the status on 11th August 1944: 145K energy, 61K metal, 31K rares, 86K oil, 5K supplies, 300 money, 128 manpower, 403/283 TC, and 126/87 IC. I'll give the precise values in the end of year summary, when things settle a bit.

nice :D

well tc, could be better
 
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i dont think you can hold on to the whole front your too spread out
 

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yeah plus the Germans have extended all the way to siberia. I doubt that will help ur war with the Germans much. Oh and does the Germany surrenders event happen if you take Germany or do you have to completly annex them ?
 

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I don't know what a sticky wicket is, but you have one. I know it's obvious, but hold in the Sudetens, if you can, and try to guess what the Allies are going to do. If you can pocket that big stack in Lusatia (I can't remember what the game name for the province is) between yourself and the Allied lines, you've probably won, for now. They've only a slight numerical advantage in the east, so superior Magyar troops should hold it and maybe advance with air support. But it doesn't look like you've much to spare. If forced with a choice, I'd take care of that western army and it's buddies before thinking about advancing into Ukraine or Poland. Once you're shaking hand with those Dutch monsters, you'll have a narrower front. You might even get to have a Zhukov-Koniev-like race with the Netherlands to see who gets to the Volga. (I got you by five province lengths. :D )
 

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UPDATE! Awsome, this is my absolute favorite AAR!

What are you going to do against the stretching out of your forces? You really need to shorten the front, more pockets in the west possible? I'm really curious where this will lead especially because of the massive amount of land that the allies will have to capture to finish of germany.
How many troops do the germans have?
Wow, thanks a lot! Great to have a satisfied reader ;)

About stetching my forces: it is a problem, however, not too big, because the AI got passive again. Check out my next update ;) . Btw, the Germans have 300-330 divisions in this period. There will be a detailed force comparison before the winter comes, on 30th October (as usual).

Borna: I'm with you on the Lika thing, I was just trying to make a joke :).

lifeless and Akaki: South-western Germany WILL be taken: check out my next update. ;)

Dhimmi: I'm lucky again: it seems I can get hold onto the front for now.

Spitfire_Pilot: Well, good question about what to do with Germany. If you look at my next update, it seems that it cannot really go wrong any more. The Germans, however, will not sign peace, and I really would not like to march till Vladivostok. So, I'm clueless.
There are two options I see currently:
1. Ending the game (and the AAR) at the end of 1944
2. Some kind of cheating: e.g. Giving independence to all the countries of German occupied Soviet Union (making up a story about how they revolted against the weakened German occupators - makes sense, right?). Then if the Allies take Berlin, push to the Volga, so Germany could be annexed. I hope this is possible :confused:. The problem is that I'll be still at war with Finland and the new Soviet countries. Another cheat could solve these. But what then? Counquer countries I don't need? Wage war with the Allies? What for?

Cloudyvortex: My next update will tell it all ;).
 

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War with the Axis: Reaching the Baltic Sea (12th August – 3rd September 1944)


Nuremberg and Dresden falls (12th – 18th August)

The increasing partisan activities on the newly occupied territories demanded the transfer of garrisons to the newly acquired the major cities. Peace-keeping troops arrived in Vienna, Bucharest and Prague.

A controversial event happened on the 12th August 1944. At 03:00 the French launched an full scaled attack against Nuremberg. The Hungarians immediately joined the assault, so the trapped 22 German divisions were attacked from the east and the west by the total of 42 units. Victory came in the afternoon. The next day the French were frustrated to see the Hungarians arrive first in the province. Tension between the Allies and Hungary grew when Horthy declared that he had no intention of giving up the newly occupied province. However, the occupation of Freiburg, the same day, gave the French a tiny fulfillment.

In the east, on 13th August, General Jány’s headquarters arrived in Stryj. From this point on Jány was responsible for the operations on the former territory of eastern Poland and Soviet Union. In the meantime, the VII. Motorized Corps captured Kielce, and won a battle against Czestochowa.

On 16th August, the IX. Mountain Corps finally arrived to Bohemia, to secure the defense of Liberec and Usti. Just a few provinces away, the X. Infantry Corps won a battle in Oppeln. The aim was to recapture the important industrial province, and to secure Breslau from the east.

The same say, at dawn, the VIII. Panzer , XIV. and XVI. Mechanized Corps launched an attack on Dresden. The defending 10 German divisions, despite the constant bombing, managed to put up a tough fight. The battle, however, was decided when the French joined the attack from the west. The defenders had no chance against the 40 assaulting units. At noon, the Allies and the Hungarians were victorious: the XVI. Motorized Corps captured Dresden two days later.

In the east, the XV. Infantry Corps occupied Czestochowa, and the VI. Mountain Corps arrived to Beltsy , to secure the defensive line. By the middle of August, the Hungarians had the initiative on all parts of the front.



The front after the occupation of Nuremberg and Dresden – 18th August, 1944


Advance in Poland (19th – 25th August)

From the middle of August, the Hungarians became superior on the Polish front. On 19th August the I., and VII. Corps were victorious in Zamosc, and the XII. and VI. Corps won a battle in Stanislawow. The latter was captured a day later. In the meantime, the XII. Motorized Corps occupied the key province of Lvov.

On 22nd August the X. Infantry Corps captured Oppeln, and they were immediately counter-attacked by 5 German divisions from Küstrin. The Hungarians managed to hold the province during the 14 hours of fierce fighting.

On 23rd August, the I. Infantry Corps arrived to Zamosc, and turned against Lublin together with the VII. Motorized Corps. The same day, the 63rd Mechanized Division occupied the undefended Kowel.

On 24th August, the Hungarians launched one of their biggest offensives: 18 divisions attacked Cottbus. The assault included the I., IX., VIII., XIV., XVI. And XIII. Corps. But after the German re-enforcements arrived from Berlin, the total of 41 defending divisions could easily hold the province. The Hungarian attack was broken-up in the afternoon. After this fiasco, the High Command decided to give up on Cottbus, move some divisions to the Polish front and concentrate only on defense in the Cottbus area. The same day, in the east, victory was achieved in Lublin, and the 64th Mechanized Division occupied the undefended Brest-Litovsk.

On 25th August the western front remained silent. In the east, however, the I. Infantry Corps captured Lublin, and Jány’s headquarters was the first to arrive in Tarnopol. In the meanwhile, the XV. and VII. Corps won a battle in Radom. The province was occupied a day later.



The front after the Hungarian advance in Poland – 25th August, 1944


The capture of Danzig (26th August – 3rd September)

The Hungarian Command realized that capturing provinces in the neighborhood of Berlin is impossible due to the high number of defenders. So, the Hungarians decided to move some forces to the other side of the Elbe and try to capture Danzig, so the Germans troops in the east are cut off from the capital.



The plan to capture Danzig – 27th August, 1944

On 27th August, the XII., XIV. and VIII. Corps launched a joint attack on Poznan. Victory came fast, as the single defending division retreated. That same day, Jány’s headquarters reached Rowne.

On 28th August, the XV. Infantry Corps won a battle in Lodz. The next day Poznan was captured. The former Polish capital fell, when the I. Infantry Corps occupied Warsaw. In the meantime, Jány’s headquarters arrived in Pinsk.

The first days of September brought further victories against the weak German forces in Poland. The VII. and XII. Corps occupied Bydgoszcz, the I. Infantry Corps Lomza, the XV. Infantry Corps Lodz, the 64th Mechanized Division Bielsk, and finally the XIII. Mechanized captured the port of Danzig. The German units in the east were now cut off from the capital.



The front after the occupation of Danzig – 3rd September, 1944


General Staff’s Report on the 3rd September

During August, the 64th Mechanized, the 65th Garrison, and the 66th Infantry Divisions were deployed. Additionally, production of fighters started. During the month the Hungarian base IC reached 100. The TC was 408/327.

By the middle of August, the Germans were forced to give up their counter-attack, the Allies and the Hungarians took the initiative throughout the front. The German divisions were facing major supply problems and were constantly being destroyed from the air.

Most of the Wehrmacht was concentrated in the Berlin area, which prevented the Allies to try to capture the capital, and allowed the Hungarians to advance rapidly in the territory of former Poland.

The Hungarian Supreme Command decided to try to liberate Poland and push until the Dniepr River in the east. Capturing territory beyond the Dniepr was dismissed, due to the problems of maintaining the partisans on a huge land mass.

The partisan activities were tackled by moving garrisons to the major cities in occupied territories and assigning newly deployed units to anti-partisan duties. Additionally, 2 Croatian militia units were transferred to Romania for peace-keeping purposes.

The Hungarians lost 40.120 men since the start of the offensive.
 

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Wow. Good progress.
 

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Great Update, it's funny to see, that the hungarian - german border (frontline) almost looks like the one germany had with the soviet unions, not too long ago :D
 

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what is the AI doing, stettin is only defended by a few frenchies???

he can break-out easy... oh well the AI isnt reacting well on this scenario :(

good progress tough