lifeless said:
Yep, great progress for us in 1941 so far. I hope it won't go the wrong way from here. Though, I'm concerned about the high manpower loss the Hungarians have. Maybe I was too suicidal.
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Yep, great progress for us in 1941 so far. I hope it won't go the wrong way from here. Though, I'm concerned about the high manpower loss the Hungarians have. Maybe I was too suicidal.
I like your AAR very much.
I have something to say about other posts people made here. Maybe someone already said some of this stuff I hastly looked through the last few pages.
This is the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia
Try this link
AFAIK, we didn't like Hungary very much in the 19th century they tried to "Hungarize" (I don't know if this is the right word) us. After Károly Khuen Héderváry was made "ban" of Croatia there was actually some revolts in Croatia. Hungarian flag was burned at the opening of the theather that Héderváry built. In Zapresic some protesters got killed because of burning of the Hungarian flag and breaking the windows on the newly built train station. One time while Héderváry was leaving the parliament he got kicked in the ass by a Croatian politician. So actually we didn't like Hungary very much back then.
Sorry for the off topic post.
I love your AAR keep up the good work.
I have something to say about other posts people made here. Maybe someone already said some of this stuff I hastly looked through the last few pages.
Singleton Mosby said:Let loose Hungars
This is the coat of arms of the Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia
Try this link
Brownbeard said:
AFAIK, we didn't like Hungary very much in the 19th century they tried to "Hungarize" (I don't know if this is the right word) us. After Károly Khuen Héderváry was made "ban" of Croatia there was actually some revolts in Croatia. Hungarian flag was burned at the opening of the theather that Héderváry built. In Zapresic some protesters got killed because of burning of the Hungarian flag and breaking the windows on the newly built train station. One time while Héderváry was leaving the parliament he got kicked in the ass by a Croatian politician. So actually we didn't like Hungary very much back then.
Sorry for the off topic post.
I love your AAR keep up the good work.
Markusw7 said:
Only two wars are going on in the world in 1941 spring: Axis-Commitern and Japan-China. I never exactly understood the real conditions of Bitter Peace, a read a lot of different descriptions, but if it won't fire, we'll pull our troops out at a certain moment. I don't want my soldiers to march to Vladivostok, I'll let the Germans cope with that alone
.kramari:
Hvala ljepo! Glad you like the AAR. And thanks for your "off-topic" post. I like posts, which I can learn from. And I always was curious about how a Croat sees the historical relationship between Hungary and Croatia. As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, I thought the relations weren't that good during the 19th century. And it was the same for all non-Hungarian ethnics living in the territory of Hungary. The forced "hungarization", of course, wasn't very popular amongst them.
About the coat of arms, I was not sure, but I guessed it's some kind of Croatian symbol: the "sahovnica" is a pretty unique identifier. However, the yellow star in the middle and the Hungarian Holy Crown on the top confused me a bit.
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great AAR, U really Own!
Again offtop.
Okay,
Here is a Hungarian's opinion:
Sorry for my bad English.
In 1000 the Christian Hungarian Kingdom was founded under the rule of Stephen the 1st (Saint), (Szent István). He was a great ruler. He knew that there are many little nations living in the territory of Pannonia, where the Hungarians were the most powerful. It was in every nations (include the Hungarians) interst to live in peace and in union, against the surrounding great powers: Germans, Russians, and Turks. He showed tolerance to little nations, let them keep their national traditons, naitonal celebrates, cultural independence. That time Hungary was somelike a little European Union amongst the Carpatian Mountains. In proof of this traditon of tolerance:
In the 16th century, a bunch of religions colud be found in Hungary: Catholicism, Protestant, Reformed, Orthodox. After all there were never happened religion wars !! The society showed mutual respect.
This way the Kings of the Arpad House kept Hungary a prospering and powerful kingdom for houndreds of years. Barbarian Mongol hordes swept across the county killing half of the Hungarian population (1241-42). And the Hungarians started to be minority in its own country. After that foreign kings of Anjou kings ruled greatly. And come the Hunyadi's great years.
But the Hungarian aristocracy was always busy with their own internal wars, and in 1526 Hungarians and their allies suffered a great loss in the battle of Mohacs, and got under the Sultan's Empire. The Habsburgs "Liberated" the country, inculding Hungary and Croatia. The Habsburg emperor always played Croatians' ambition to be independent of the Hungarian Crown against the Hungarians' ambition to keep Croatia. Sadly, the era of the Nationalism and cultural intolerance arrived in the 19th century. After the end of Hungary's war of independence against Austria (1849), these two got together in a compromise (1867). A short, but great and prospering era was beginned, till the Great war. But under the surface, internal conflicts, pointless manufactured forced "hungarization" started to crack Austria-Hungary into parts. Hungary's governors wanted to do reforms to solve these problems and wanted to evade the great war, none the less, the nations of the dual empire were driven to a mindless war.
The ruling dinasties were crushed in Versailles, new states born in the heart of Europe which were totally incapable of living. Hungary lost nerly 70% of its former territory, and 30% of its Hungarian citizens!!!!
The treaty of Trianon was totally bad not just for the Hungarians but for surrounding nations too. Did the french in Versailles asked the Czech if they want to live with the Slovaks in the same country? For 4 years of the Great War the Croatians fought bravely against the Serbs, and after the war the great western empires merged them into a South-Slav-Kingdom. Did Clemencau ask the Croatians if they want to live together with Serbs? Nobody asked them. The masssacres in the early '90-s showed it.
The treaty caused deep hate amongst the nations which lived in peace for many years before.
Still today, the pain caused by Trianon is living in the hearts of the older hungarians. But the new generations (as me), forgot this tortures, one of my favorite country is Croatia (Split and Dubrovnik are beautiful), the people living there are very kind. We should have keep the good relation, to kick sum Turkish and Austrian ass.
Respect.
Again sorry for teh bad english, im just learing iz.
Ahh and btw. That picture! That crown on teh top of teh croatian shield. That was the crown of Szent István. U can see it the Naitonal Museum of Budapest. Its interesting feature of the crown, the cross on it is sloped.
Sorry for the off, i can delete it if y want
Again offtop.
Okay,
Here is a Hungarian's opinion:
Sorry for my bad English.
In 1000 the Christian Hungarian Kingdom was founded under the rule of Stephen the 1st (Saint), (Szent István). He was a great ruler. He knew that there are many little nations living in the territory of Pannonia, where the Hungarians were the most powerful. It was in every nations (include the Hungarians) interst to live in peace and in union, against the surrounding great powers: Germans, Russians, and Turks. He showed tolerance to little nations, let them keep their national traditons, naitonal celebrates, cultural independence. That time Hungary was somelike a little European Union amongst the Carpatian Mountains. In proof of this traditon of tolerance:
In the 16th century, a bunch of religions colud be found in Hungary: Catholicism, Protestant, Reformed, Orthodox. After all there were never happened religion wars !! The society showed mutual respect.
This way the Kings of the Arpad House kept Hungary a prospering and powerful kingdom for houndreds of years. Barbarian Mongol hordes swept across the county killing half of the Hungarian population (1241-42). And the Hungarians started to be minority in its own country. After that foreign kings of Anjou kings ruled greatly. And come the Hunyadi's great years.
But the Hungarian aristocracy was always busy with their own internal wars, and in 1526 Hungarians and their allies suffered a great loss in the battle of Mohacs, and got under the Sultan's Empire. The Habsburgs "Liberated" the country, inculding Hungary and Croatia. The Habsburg emperor always played Croatians' ambition to be independent of the Hungarian Crown against the Hungarians' ambition to keep Croatia. Sadly, the era of the Nationalism and cultural intolerance arrived in the 19th century. After the end of Hungary's war of independence against Austria (1849), these two got together in a compromise (1867). A short, but great and prospering era was beginned, till the Great war. But under the surface, internal conflicts, pointless manufactured forced "hungarization" started to crack Austria-Hungary into parts. Hungary's governors wanted to do reforms to solve these problems and wanted to evade the great war, none the less, the nations of the dual empire were driven to a mindless war.
The ruling dinasties were crushed in Versailles, new states born in the heart of Europe which were totally incapable of living. Hungary lost nerly 70% of its former territory, and 30% of its Hungarian citizens!!!!
The treaty of Trianon was totally bad not just for the Hungarians but for surrounding nations too. Did the french in Versailles asked the Czech if they want to live with the Slovaks in the same country? For 4 years of the Great War the Croatians fought bravely against the Serbs, and after the war the great western empires merged them into a South-Slav-Kingdom. Did Clemencau ask the Croatians if they want to live together with Serbs? Nobody asked them. The masssacres in the early '90-s showed it.
The treaty caused deep hate amongst the nations which lived in peace for many years before.
Still today, the pain caused by Trianon is living in the hearts of the older hungarians. But the new generations (as me), forgot this tortures, one of my favorite country is Croatia (Split and Dubrovnik are beautiful), the people living there are very kind. We should have keep the good relation, to kick sum Turkish and Austrian ass.
Respect.
Again sorry for teh bad english, im just learing iz.
Ahh and btw. That picture! That crown on teh top of teh croatian shield. That was the crown of Szent István. U can see it the Naitonal Museum of Budapest. Its interesting feature of the crown, the cross on it is sloped.
Sorry for the off, i can delete it if y want
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i like the fact that there is an indie slovakia centered around zilina
but seriously, do you think the soviets can still not loose the war? i think theyre pretty much dead
how about dowing the western allies to bring some spice into the game? of course i dont think they would do it in real life, sinc e germany has been turning only east and fighting the bolsheviks so they should be (w.allies) really happy with hitler now
but seriously, do you think the soviets can still not loose the war? i think theyre pretty much dead
how about dowing the western allies to bring some spice into the game?
of course i dont think they would do it in real life, sinc e germany has been turning only east and fighting the bolsheviks so they should be (w.allies) really happy with hitler now
ACME said:
Actually our own politics is to blame for that. Before Croatia entered the Kingdom of Slovenes, Croatians and Serbs, they were in a state called State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs. They wanted to Join Serbia because they were threatened by Italy who wanted Dalmatia for themselves. State of SCS sent a delegation, demanding autonomy and some other stuff too (i'm not quite sure what). Serbs rejected that and the head of the delegation a Serbian Svetozar Pribičević changed the offer without the approval of other politicans and offered to join without any demands. Thus the Kingdom of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs later call the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was created.
Sorry for the off-topic post again.
kramari said:Actually our own politics is to blame for that. Before Croatia entered the Kingdom of Slovenes, Croatians and Serbs, they were in a state called State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs. They wanted to Join Serbia because they were threatened by Italy who wanted Dalmatia for themselves. State of SCS sent a delegation, demanding autonomy and some other stuff too (i'm not quite sure what). Serbs rejected that and the head of the delegation a Serbian Svetozar Pribičević changed the offer without the approval of other politicans and offered to join without any demands. Thus the Kingdom of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs later call the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was created.
Sorry for the off-topic post again.
Thx. Its a new information for me.
ACME, no need to apologize for your English; that was quite well written. I have beaten my head against the wall that is the German language for many years, and doubt I would have done as well posting in that language.
Sorry for the off-topic post, Hobot. Still reading and loving your AAR. Please keep it going!
Vann
Sorry for the off-topic post, Hobot. Still reading and loving your AAR. Please keep it going!
Vann
Ladislav said:i like the fact that there is an indie slovakia centered around zilina
but seriously, do you think the soviets can still not loose the war? i think theyre pretty much dead
how about dowing the western allies to bring some spice into the game?
I can assure you, that I won't sit and do nothing after the SU is defeated. But until it's done I won't start a war with the Allies just for fun. Actually, I noticed that the French are more and more busy along the Maginot. Are they up to something?
Uhm... Europe 1000 AD... Germans - ok. Turks... Well, rather Ottoman Empire. Few centuries later. Russians? Russians as a threat for Hungary in 1000 AD?
War with the Soviet: The Occupation of Moscow (1st – 30th May, 1941)
The Southern Front - The Victory in Enotaevka
On 6th May the III. Infantry and VI. Mountain Corps arrived in Kalach from Surovikino before the Soviets could occupy it. The 6 Hungarian divisions managed to defend the province, the Soviets gave up their attacks.
On 11th May Germany launched an attack against Frolovo just north of Kalach. With Hungarian support the Germans occupied Frolovo a few days later.
The Axis attack against Frolovo – 11th May 1941
On 12th May, after General Jány’s VI. Mountain Corps arrived in Stalingrad, an attack was launched against Cherny Yar (south of Stalingrad). Three days later the 33th Panzer Division occupied Cherny Yar.
The Soviet troops were evacuating the east side of the Volga in panic. Having occupied Stalingrad and Cherny Yar, the Hungarian Command saw an opportunity to encircle the troops in Enotaevka before they could retreat to the west side of the river. This meant that the panzers should’ve advanced through Krasnaya Sloboda and Elton. The mounteneers from Astrakhan should've supported and attack against Elton, but not move: keeping Astrakhan was more important than the encirclement.
The plan for the encirclement of Enotaevka
The operation started on 14th May. Three days later the 33rd and 35th Panzer Division and the VI. Mountain Corps occupied Krasnaya Sloboda. Now, it was race against the clock – the Hungarians had to take Elton. The first attempt to occupy Elton started on 18th May. But the 7 defending divisions turned out to be too much for the Hungarians, even though the V. Mountain Division was supporting from Astrakhan. The attack was broken-up, the encirclement failed.
On 19th May German and Hungarian forces seized victory in Kamyshin just north of Stalingrad. Kamyshin was occupied by the III. Infantry Corps two days later.
A huge battle enveloped in Krasnaya Sloboda, when the Soviets launched an attack from Enotaevka and Elton. It was 12 Soviet divisions against the defending VI. Mountain Corps, 33th and 35th Panzer Division. The V. Mountain, I. Infantry and VII. Mobile Corps flanked the attackers. The battle went on for half a day, when the Soviets gave up.
The battle of Krasnaya Sloboda – 16th May, 1941
The Red Army was now weakened in Elton, which gave chance for the divisions in Krasnaya Sloboda to counter-attack. On 22nd May the Hungarian were victorious, and two days later, with the occupation of Elton, 9 Soviet division were trapped in Enotaevka. The Soviets tried to break out, but the defenders in Elton held out. On 25th May 7 infantry and 2 militia Soviet divisions were destroyed in Enotaevka. Additional 2 Soviet retreating divisions surrendered in the same province just a few days later. Enotaevka was occupied by the VII. Mobile Corps on the last day of the month. It was a great victory for the exhausted Hungarian troops.
The encirclement of Enotaevka – 21st May, 1941
The Central and Northern Front - Moscow in German Hands
It was 12th May, 1941 when German troops marched into Moscow. The Soviet capital fell. The administration was moved to Archangelsk. Additionally, Germany occupied Vytegra, Volodga, Kostroma, Kotelnich, Yoskar Ola, Kirov, Kazan, Cherbokassy, Saransk, Kuznetsk and Ulyanovsk. In the Soviet enclave near Moscow only Noginsk and Vladimir were in Soviet hands.
The Finns gave up all their offensives, they were focusing purely on defense. Since the Soviets were very weak in the area, the Finnish front remained silent.
The occupation of Moscow – 11th May 1941
General Staff’s Report in the End of May 1941
The 6th Zubo “Stuka” air squadron and the 36th Mountain Division were deployed this month. Both of them were transferred to the Soviet Front.
The “Stuka” close air support aircraft*
The flow of battles needed a slight re-organization of the Hungarian Royal Army. MajGen Farkas took over the lead of the 5th Infantry Division, MajGen Náday the 8th Infantry, MajGen R-Rüdiger the 29th Motorized and MajGen Henneyey the 35th Panzer Division. Von Stromm was promoted LtGen to be able to lauch joint panzer attacks. Additionally, the VI. Mountain Corps was strengthened with two extra divisions. General Jány himself was leading these extra units. The new order of battle was the following:
1. Magyar Királyi Hadsereg - Szovjetunió - General Jány (skill 2/exp 10)
I. Gyalogos hadtest – LtGen Feketehalmy-Cz. (2/39)
1. Gyalogos hadosztály ('39 Infantry + Field Artillery) - LtGen Feketehalmy-Cz.
2. Gyalogos hadosztály ('39 Infantry + AT Artillery) - MjGen. László (2/96)
3. Gyalogos hadosztály ('39 Infantry + AA Artillery) - MjGen. de Dálnok (2/90)
II. Gyalogos hadtest - LtGen. Bajnóczy (3/8)
4. Gyalogos hadosztály ('39 Infantry + Engineer) - LtGen. Bajnóczy
5. Gyalogos hadosztály ('39 Infantry + Engineer) - MjGen. Farkas (2/75)
6. Gyalogos hadosztály ('39 Infantry + Engineer) - MjGen. Kolthay (2/43)
III. Gyalogos hadtest - LtGen. Nagy (2/35)
7. Gyalogos hadosztály ('39 Infantry) - LtGen. Nagy
8. Gyalogos hadosztály ('39 Infantry) - MjGen. Náday (2/69)
9. Gyalogos hadosztály ('39 Infantry) - MjGen. Sztojay (2/56)
V. Hegyi hadtest - LtGen. Maguarosy (2/96)
13. Hegyi hadosztály ('39 Mountain + Engineer) - LtGen. Maguarosy
15. Hegyi hadosztály ('39 Mountain + Engineer) - MjGen. Lakatos (3/31)
34. Hegyi hadosztály ('39 Mountain + Engineer) - MjGen. Algya-Pap (2/20)
VI. Hegyi hadtest - General Jány
14. Hegyi hadosztály ('39 Mountain + Engineer) - General Jány
16. Hegyi hadosztály ('39 Mountain + Engineer) - General Jány
36. Hegyi hadosztály ('39 Mountain + Engineer) - General Jány
17. Hegyi hadosztály ('39 Mountain + Engineer) - MjGen. Tapody (2/87)
18. Hegyi hadosztály ('39 Mountain + Engineer) - MjGen. Beregffy (3/34)
VII. Motorizált hadtest - LtGen. Szombathelyi (3/2)
19. Motorizált hadosztály ('40 Mot Infantry + Engineer) - LtGen. Szombathelyi
20. Motorizált hadosztály ('40 Mot Infantry + Engineer) - MjGen. Heszlényi (2/92)
29. Motorizált hadosztály ('40 Mot Infantry + Engineer) - MjGen. R.-Rüdiger (3/1)
28. Páncélos hadosztály (Bas Med Tank + Engineer) - MjGen. Veress (3/64)
33. Páncélos hadosztály (Bas Med Tank + Engineer) - LtGen. Von Stromm (1/18)
35. Páncélos hadosztály (Bas Med Tank + Engineer) - MjGen. Henneyey (3/18)
2. Magyar Királyi Hadsereg - Balkán - General Sonyi (skill 1/exp 4)
IV. Huszár hadtest - General Sonyi
10. Huszár hadosztály (SM Cavalry) - General Sonyi
11. Huszár hadosztály (SM Cavalry) - LtGen. Werth (2/0)
12. Huszár hadosztály (SM Cavalry) - MjGen. de Kolozsvár (1/0)
The Air Force: Magyar Királyi Légierő
I. Bombazó század - Air MjGen. Rapaich (4/93)
1. Vadászbombázó osztály (Bas Tac Bomber)
2. Vadászosztály (Bas Interceptor)
II. Vadász század - Air MjGen. Justy (3/46)
3. Vadászosztály (Bas Interceptor)
4. Vadászosztály (Bas Interceptor)
III. Zubo század - Air MjGen Újszászy (2/72)
5. Vadászosztály (Bas Interceptor)
6. Zubo osztály (Impr CAS)
The weather was finally dry this month, which allowed the Axis to achieve a significant advance towards the east. The capital was occupied and German troops were way over the Volga, rushing deep inside Russia. The enclave south of Moscow did not seem threatening since the Soviets were out of supply.
The destruction of 11 Soviet divisions in the battle of Enotaevka and crossing the Volga in the south this month were huge achievements of the Hungarian Royal Army. In just two months the Hungarians turned over the situation on the Southern Front and seized the initiative for the time to come.
The Hungarians suffered an enormous loss rate: this month brought 23.830** causalities. This gave a total of loss of 116.250** Hungarians since the break out of the Soviet war. The Hungarian Command considered the war won, and decided not to attempt any risky operations any more - preserving lives was the highest priority.
The map of Europe and the Soviet Front – 30th May, 1941
* photo borrowed from www.2worldwar2.com
** counting 1 manpower = 1000 men
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that's it, the russians are defeated.
if the western allies dont step in very soon, this war is already decided
if the western allies dont step in very soon, this war is already decided
Great progress!
What about the western powers, Italy, and Japan?
Can u pls do scshots of the military (mainly the naval) comparison tables?
How many Divs the French have?
And where is the new Hungarian fleet?
What are your further goals, after the commys got beaten?
Loving it. Keep it up!
What about the western powers, Italy, and Japan?
Can u pls do scshots of the military (mainly the naval) comparison tables?
How many Divs the French have?
And where is the new Hungarian fleet?
What are your further goals, after the commys got beaten?
Loving it. Keep it up!
Really great job!
Maybe you should redeploy Hungarian forces to defend the western front if French forces try to attack.
Maybe you should redeploy Hungarian forces to defend the western front if French forces try to attack.
Ladislav said:
not if the russian ai pulls its hold out in the special moscow pocket crap
ACME said:Great progress!
What about the western powers, Italy, and Japan?
Can u pls do scshots of the military (mainly the naval) comparison tables?
How many Divs the French have?
And where is the new Hungarian fleet?
What are your further goals, after the commys got beaten?
Loving it. Keep it up!
Thanks, and wow, a lot of questions...
The Western powers and Italy are sitting, doing nothing, Japan is fighting the Chinese. I noticed that instead of the normal 2-3 divisions on the French side of the Maginot line now there's 8-9 per province. The Germans don't seem to be too concerned about it, their side still has 1-2 divisions per province.
Forces:
FRA: 120 land, 22 air, 80 naval units
UK: 115 land (1/3 of them garrisons), 34 air, 190 naval units
USA: 113 land (1/3 of them garrisons), 29 air, 276 naval units
ITA: 97 land, 23 air, 110 naval units
I'll show the Axis and Commitern force comparison in my next update.
The Hungarian Fleet...... well... khm... currently consists of 0 vessels
. I guess we're a little behind here. The reason is, that we did not research any naval techs, and building obsolete ships do not seem to be a good idea. So, the fleet building is definitely behind schedule After the commies are beaten there are several options I can choose from:
- first of all to decide whether to remain in the Axis, or leave
- DOW France (only if I stay with the Axis, of course)
- DOW Romania, if we or it leaves the Axis
- DOW Italy - would be fun: actually I've already found a reason for it
I'll decide when the Bitter Peace fires. According to the Wiki, it fires when we conquer 25% of the Soviet national provinces - we're not at war with the Allies. I hope it's correct.
kramari: Thanks! And I don't think we're gonna guard the German border for Germany. We're helping them in the war against the SU, but will not necessarily help them no matter what. Hungary is not a puppet, but an ally.
lifeless: Thanks! And in my production queue there are mainly aircrafts (CAS and fighters).
Darks63 and Ladislav: My next update will say it all...