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I hope people higher up who make these decisions realise what a PR disaster this has been and how it will affect their generally loyal consumers.

I really want to read those sources on how this is a PR disaster

A bunch of entitled kids changing their avatars isn't a PR disaster.
 

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Okay guys, FYI. I will disappear now, in case you try to ask me things directly. I'm not ignoring you. Internet shall be taken from me momentarily :(

See you later!
 

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Why does there have to be a compromise position when we were giving our work for free and Paradox were funding the project? They don't have to compromise with anyone.

Because the same thing happened with Mass Effect 3 so Paradox has to do over again.....maybe they can use some features from EvW combined with Victoria II and push for a timetable ahead of time. Not to mention the fact that Chris Avallone always gets extensions for some reason.
 

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I can not give you more details other than that at this time it's not possible. I'm sorry.

Thanks. All the best, but please make sure the overlords hear about the various (alternative) solutions us members have proposed including:

  • releasing it in Alpha with a huge disclaimer and without any "Paradox" insignia so your brandname cannot suffer
  • publishing the various DDs that were probably blocked, including the one about Tech and Economy to help future modders attempt an EvW for HOI4
  • taking advantage of the various techs developed and solutions implemented including the Lua Rucksack in other titles

All the best for the future! :)
 

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Thanks. All the best, but please make sure the overlords hear about the various (alternative) solutions us members have proposed including:

  • releasing it in Alpha with a huge disclaimer and without any "Paradox" insignia so your brandname cannot suffer
  • publishing the various DDs that were probably blocked, including the one about Tech and Economy to help future modders attempt an EvW for HOI4
  • taking advantage of the various techs developed and solutions implemented including the Lua Rucksack.

Something like that.
 

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I really want to read those sources on how this is a PR disaster

A bunch of entitled kids changing their avatars isn't a PR disaster.
It was a disaster, you can't seriously say that you were happy with the way marketing was done. It was quite good in the beginning with numerous articles and so on, it was even acceptable up until after the stream.
 

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Just wondering, because so many people are pissed, do you have any more plans to make another CW game, perhaps after HOI4 is done. Because there really needs to be a compromise situation, this is getting worse than the ME3 ending, and at least there we at least had a game that was epic for 95% of the time that WAS released. This should not be one-sided and at least with ME3 we had an extended cut that somewhat allivated the situation and the Citadel DLC. While we can see why you can't release it through Steam or anything like that, you should maybe make your own CW game with some of the files and ideas that they have even if from scratch.

So my idea is to do the whole thing over with Victoria II-style gameplay, maybe keep some of the HOS and HOG if you are intrested so our contributions through WATW would not be ignored.
The "many pissed people" are just a little group of entitled brats and drama queens, they are as few as they are harmless. This is not even a controversy, let alone a ME3-ending situation.
 

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With good communication, and a project pretty well beggined ... yes it would have passed. 100 000 could have been done at minimum

Maybe if they had done this from the beginning they could have raised that much, though that would have required a big publicity campaign and a lot of luck - and 100,000 is still not enough (according to Wiki the average game dev budget for a multi-platform release is in the 20 million USD range, indie games cost a lot less, but even then you're still talking on the order of a million USD). Given the amount of buzz this game actually attracted, and given how it had already been delayed by more than a year, having been in development since May 2011, how likely was it to get even that much?

releasing it in Alpha with a huge disclaimer and without any "Paradox" insignia so your brandname cannot suffer

As BjornB pointed out, their brand would still suffer from this kind of step.

publishing the various DDs that were probably blocked, including the one about Tech and Economy to help future modders attempt an EvW for HOI4

Better they keep their ideas secret and do it themselves.

taking advantage of the various techs developed and solutions implemented including the Lua Rucksack in other titles

They'll no doubt do this anyway.

Because the same thing happened with Mass Effect 3 so Paradox has to do over again.....

And this has what exactly to do with the present situation?

What does that have to do with my post? Bjorn works for PI.....what do you expect him to say?

Do you really want to carry on try to push these nonsensical conspiracy theories? Fred Wester's message was clear - the game was way, way past its deadline and stood no chance of ever being finished.
 
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I really want to read those sources on how this is a PR disaster

A bunch of entitled kids changing their avatars isn't a PR disaster.

Oh please, stop your condescending talk. There is people who are honestly sad about the cancellation of the game. They have a right to be mad at this.
You are just being the boy that every hates, who try to seem smarter than everyone.
You must be a Paradox hidden agent, because now I'm almost more irritated by your arrogant behavior that by the cancellation.
Still won't buy Paradox games until they improve their communication.
 

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Oh please, stop your condescending talk. There is people who are honestly sad about the cancellation of the game. They have a right to be mad at this.
You are just being the boy that every hates, who try to seem smarter than everyone.
You must be a Paradox hidden agent, because now I'm almost more irritated by your arrogant behavior that by the cancellation.
Still won't buy Paradox games until they improve their communication.

Agree 1000% with this.
 

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Damnit Paradox, why won't you let me love you?

Another disappointment largely due to piss poor communication and broken promises. Why do you have to act like every other gaming company? Why can't you be different and make good games? Why do you have to do this again?

This is very disheartening and sometimes I force myself to believe paradox does things different and better than other companies(Just because I like some of their games I reckon). Well the truth is they are all the same, the jokes on me in the end.

It's odd how there is no news of this anywhere else than on this forums? They be scared to communicate on social medias? Oh crap there is me thinking they are better than the rest again.
 

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I would have pre-ordered this. It would have been the only game ever to receive that honor. Now? Now I feel extremely disappointed. Oh well.
 

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Lets gather a group and make EvsW as a mod for HoI3 or Vicky 2 maybe? Ex-devs i think would be intrested too.

OMG people what's wrong with you all who keep saying about modding HoI or Vici? Don't you really understand that EvsW was meant to be a standalone game with all meanings of that word? Developers have had an access to source code, they could not only mod but change any aspect they wished and the limitiation was only the engine itself. And as EvsW was meant to be grand strategy in general it could not be modded in HoI due to diplomacy limitations as well as in Vici due to wafare limitations. You have all seen what DDs and gameplay video. You have seen all those great features. Most of them can't be simply moded but have to be made from scratch.

And as it was previously said by others all this campaign with your funny "uprising", "joining the oposition" is just ridiculous. You want to put pressure on Paradox? Write it and DO it. Someone is saying about "embargo"-fair enough. Don't buy more new titles then but stop writing those childfish protests. Words must be followed by deeds. You have the right to feel unhappy and deceived but changing you funny avatar won't do much. Believe me.

And the last word from me is targeted to Paradox. After the hypocritical change in FAQ regarding Steam issue I'm really loosing faith in you as the company. For the long time I truly believed that you are uniqe in gaming industry but changing the reason for not releasing beta just to fit user's feedback is... don't know what to say. It seems that money really change all people. Just think carefully whoever is there reading it if in you path of career you haven't give up passion and respect to end-users in exchange for money. (This is my extension to what I've previously said here)
 

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Could you just answer a small question please, why cannot the community fund development if we don't mind playing a buggy early access game via steam? If PI does not have to fund the project what would there be to loose? BL gets to keep working and PI doesn't have to foot the bill. Please just asking for some clarity as I believe this is why people are upset by not being given the opportunity to support a project we believe in.

I think - and I want to stress that I'm just speculating here - that this option is not really considered to protect the Paradox brand name. PI had the image of releasing (initially) broken products for years and achieved the almost impossible by getting rid of that image after their more recent releases.
An image like that has the potential to severely hurt a company, f.ex. by decreasing day-one-purchases and, like a self-fullfilling prophecy, increase reviewer focus on existing bugs (and lets face it, every game as complex as a Paradox game will have some bugs at release). Just ask Obsidian, who have a similiar image of releasing bugridden games, for that matter: New Vegas was a lot more polished than Fallout 3, which it was based on, but Obsidian got a lot more criticism about bugs than Bethesda did earlier. Additionally the very polished state of their recent releases is mostly ignored - they're still waiting for their own CK2 to turn things around.
Releasing the game as early access wouldn't change much either IMO; I'm convinced that no matter how much PI would emphasise that the game is unfinished, still in development and not made by themselves, every flaw the game might have would still stick to Paradox anyway. Just take a look in any random early access forum on Steam, they're full of costumers whining about how they "know that the game is still in alpha but feature X is broken and therefore they want their money back and won't ever buy from the devs again!!!111!!".
Take also into consideration that the last announcement about an open beta release said that it's not even sure the game will, at one time, be finsihed at all - I know this scenario seems to be impossible for many people around here but just imagine the game not selling enough copies to actually finish it; that would be a total PR disaster for Paradox.
So while I'm not exactly happy about it myself, I can understand that for Paradox trying to get something out of the project after investing money over several years is not worth the potential risk to their image.

In the end it was unfortunate for BL Logic that the foundation they had to work with was one of the most broken products Paradox has ever released (before the more recent addons) and that PI's shift in game development that resulted in some of the most polished products they ever released occured during their own development time, thus raising the bar for future releases by quite a bit.
 

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Oh please, stop your condescending talk. There is people who are honestly sad about the cancellation of the game. They have a right to be mad at this.
You are just being the boy that every hates, who try to seem smarter than everyone.
You must be a Paradox hidden agent, because now I'm almost more irritated by your arrogant behavior that by the cancellation.
Still won't buy Paradox games until they improve their communication.

Yup I am a paid shill spending my time trying to save Pdox face on their forums.

Grow up and leave your moms basement, you and the other kids who are getting butt mad about this need it.

It is a game.
 
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As BjornB pointed out, their brand would still suffer from this kind of step.
Better they keep their ideas secret and do it themselves.
They'll no doubt do this anyway.
Bjorn can speak for himself so please shut up line-quoting me. As if the infraction you got was not enough. :)
No, better open up their cards and help the community of modders (BL-Logic after all was that when it started) get the 3-years work and use it for an EvW for HOI4, possibly.
Regarding your last remark, thanks, but I don't need your cajoling.
 

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BTW - this thread is now,as far as I can see, the quickest growing thread ever to appear on Paradox forums. Even the Sunset Invasions FUBAR didn't blow up as quickly as this thread did, and the MM cancellation thread took the best part of a week to get this long.

The butt-hurt is strong in this one.
 

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Bjorn can speak for himself so please shut up line-quoting me. As if the infraction you got was not enough. :)
No, better open up their cards and help the community of modders (BL-Logic after all was that when it started) get the 3-years work and use it for an EvW for HOI4, possibly.
Regarding your last remark, thanks, but I don't need your cajoling.

Didn't we dunk you into the ground? You came back for more?

But then again, I am probably autistic because I quote line by line. What could I possible know about all this.
 
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