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Could you just answer a small question please, why cannot the community fund development if we don't mind playing a buggy early access game via steam? If PI does not have to fund the project what would there be to loose? BL gets to keep working and PI doesn't have to foot the bill. Please just asking for some clarity as I believe this is why people are upset by not being given the opportunity to support a project we believe in.

That was the plan up until a day ago... But for reasons not shared with me it was decided by Paradox and BL-logic that it was not possible after all. And to why it is so I refer to my previous statements on why we can not give out all the details. I am truly sorry. I wish we lived in a world where it would actually be possible to share all information and everyone would benefit from it. Sadly, this is not the case.
 

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Releasing a Beta would imply the game was still being developed.

Releasing it as non beta would make everyone else consider it to be a full game from Paradox and BL-logic and it would be considered as such by everyone besides a few hundreds in these forums. That's just how it is...

How many games have you seen being released with "This game is not finished, and we won't be finishing it either"?

A few companies have released their failed prototypes/tech demos on humble bundle IIRC. But I understand Paradox's decision not to release this :(.
 

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Would be better for me to cancel HoI 4 and send all resources to EvW development. =P

I believe in the world of military strategy they would call this "reinforcing failure".

B..But cancelled means that if I change my avatar to a rebel flag and put some words in my sit that Johan and Pdox are all literally Hitler/EA/Putin they will release it right?

Right?

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Yes, one can imagine the scene in the Paradoxbunker -

Wester: Aha! We have succeeded in our evil plot to cancel EvW and lose money for no reason! No-one can stop us now!

*Johan moves uneasily from one foot to the other*

Johan: But, mein fuhrer . . .

*BjornB knows he has to step in*

BjornB: A hand-full of people on the Paradox forum have changed their avatars and signatures and are demanding that we release the game regardless of its current status . . .

(I think you can fill in the rest)
 
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Could you just answer a small question please, why cannot the community fund development if we don't mind playing a buggy early access game via steam? If PI does not have to fund the project what would there be to loose? BL gets to keep working and PI doesn't have to foot the bill. Please just asking for some clarity as I believe this is why people are upset by not being given the opportunity to support a project we believe in.
+1 Please
 

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Releasing a Beta would imply the game was still being developed.

Releasing it as non beta would make everyone else consider it to be a full game from Paradox and BL-logic and it would be considered as such by everyone besides a few hundreds in these forums. That's just how it is...

How many games have you seen being released with "This game is not finished, and we won't be finishing it either"?

What about releasing it in Alpha (like DayZ) with a huge warning and disclaimer and left the BL-Logic and other modders help improve it without a time limit? Because if time was the problem, we could still wait, even if that means missing all the "release slots" of 2014. But throwing it away completely is a total waste of time and effort.
 

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What about releasing it in Alpha (like DayZ) with a huge warning and disclaimer and left the BL-Logic and other modders help improve it without a time limit? Because if time was the problem, we could still wait, even if that means missing all the "release slots" of 2014. But throwing it away completely is a total waste of time and effort.

I can not give you more details other than that at this time it's not possible. I'm sorry.
 

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I don't think Bjorn is equipped to answer your questions beyond how he has already, guys. His reply certainly resonated with me on a empathetic level.
 

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I hope people higher up who make these decisions realise what a PR disaster this has been and how it will affect their generally loyal consumers.
 

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This was going to happen sooner or later, once paradox said they were making HoI4.
 

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I hope people higher up who make these decisions realise what a PR disaster this has been and how it will affect their generally loyal consumers.

We are certainly aware of this and a lot more. But the best thing you can do in situations like this is to try and learn and improve.
 

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Lets gather a group and make EvsW as a mod for HoI3 or Vicky 2 maybe? Ex-devs i think would be intrested too.
 

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Lets gather a group and make EvsW as a mod for HoI3 or Vicky 2 maybe? Ex-devs i think would be intrested too.

HOI3 already has a Cold War Mod. I think it might be better to wait for HOI4 to start modding, and it may be that we'll have heard some new news in the meantime.
 

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Releasing a Beta would imply the game was still being developed.

Releasing it as non beta would make everyone else consider it to be a full game from Paradox and BL-logic and it would be considered as such by everyone besides a few hundreds in these forums. That's just how it is...

How many games have you seen being released with "This game is not finished, and we won't be finishing it either"?

And why no kickstarter campaign without beta ? If the goal was reached the dev could have continued.
 

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Could you just answer a small question please, why cannot the community fund development if we don't mind playing a buggy early access game via steam? If PI does not have to fund the project what would there be to loose? BL gets to keep working and PI doesn't have to foot the bill. Please just asking for some clarity as I believe this is why people are upset by not being given the opportunity to support a project we believe in.

I don't know the facts of the matter, but I can say that some back-of-an-envelope calculations I did a while back showed that an attempt to crowd-fund from the community was unlikely to raise much more than about 10-20K USD, which would be not even nearly enough to fund development.

And why no kickstarter campaign without beta ? If the goal was reached the dev could have continued.

How much money, realistically, could they have raised that way? Not enough as far as I can see.
 
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I'll repeat what I said yesterday, before my post(s) were deleted. The statement: "producing a non-Steam version would be time consuming
and costly" isn't true. A non-Steam version of the game does exist....was used for testing. I was on the beta test team and I can tell you that I played many different countries, for 30+ years in some cases, without a problem. So saying that this was not ready for an open beta is
simply not true. It could have been released for open beta in it's current state. It probably wasn't releasable in it's current state.....you could still crash the game by doing certain things (that a normal player wouldn't have done).....but going to open beta, in my mind, was to push it
over the top, with more testers available. I will support BL to the end, they're not the bad guys here. PI, for their own reasons, saw fit to
drop the project. It's their decision. But don't be surprised to see some of the items BL developed for EvW in HOI4, which I will not be
purchasing.......had enough of WW2.
 

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Just wondering, because so many people are pissed, do you have any more plans to make another CW game, perhaps after HOI4 is done. Because there really needs to be a compromise situation, this is getting worse than the ME3 ending, and at least there we at least had a game that was epic for 95% of the time that WAS released. This should not be one-sided and at least with ME3 we had an extended cut that somewhat allivated the situation and the Citadel DLC. While we can see why you can't release it through Steam or anything like that, you should maybe make your own CW game with some of the files and ideas that they have even if from scratch.

So my idea is to do the whole thing over with Victoria II-style gameplay, maybe keep some of the HOS and HOG if you are intrested so our contributions through WATW would not be ignored.
 

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Mixed message which BjornB has already corrected - go look at the first page.

Because there really needs to be a compromise situation,

Why does there have to be a compromise position when we were giving our work for free and Paradox were funding the project? They don't have to compromise with anyone.
 

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You are not getting HOI4 instead of EvW. You were supposed to get both, but now one fell through to all our dismay.
I just hope that you see that there is a market for a cold war game and use some of the fine concepts/features of EvW to make a cold war game.
 

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How much money, realistically, could they have raised that way? Not enough as far as I can see.
With good communication, and a project pretty well beggined ... yes it would have passed. 100 000 could have been done at minimum
 
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