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Oh god your sig.

I think this amount of cringe is dangerous for the human brain.

Yeah. Obviously "the Market" would see nothing wrong with a house that is 85% finished, or a car that is 85% finished, or a ship that is 85% finished.

This sentence is 85% Finis . . .

The revision of the FAQ was made by me who wrote it at first. In my feeble attempts to actually give you some of the answers you seek I misunderstood a piece of information. There is no conspiracy in the works. The decision was simply made that it would not be possible to produce a satisfactory version to release.

Unfortunately, BjornB, things like this are what conspiracy theorists feed on. We saw that with the off-hand remark about how it wasn't possible to release in the pre-Christmas period - a whole bunch of commenters started banging on about how the game was "really" ready for release but it was Paradox marketing people who were holding it back. Never mind that this doesn't make any sense, there're still people here who believe it. Years from now there will still be folk trying to use the unitentional mixed messaging as evidence that Paradox cancelled EvW because of the illuminati or some other nonsense.
 

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Yeah. Obviously "the Market" would see nothing wrong with a house that is 85% finished, or a car that is 85% finished, or a ship that is 85% finished.

This sentence is 85% Finis . . .

Not only that.

Somehow he as a costumer has the right to demand that Pdox releases a product that he havent paid a cent for.

Pdox is not legaly binded to do like it customers want. They do what they believe is best for their company.
 

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i figure the convo was well suited enough to be a sig, second where is your reply it was done last nite there was no reply?

Here. You can't sig it all though, because you'd be breaking forum rules. But I personally think that "Your voice is your wallet" is quite quotable.
 

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Yeah. Obviously "the Market" would see nothing wrong with a house that is 85% finished, or a car that is 85% finished, or a ship that is 85% finished.

This sentence is 85% Finis . . .

85% is only used in the programming environment why do you think you wait until there are updates to buy something. (tho with car recalls maybe it apply's to vehicles as well lately)
 

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I doupt anyone will embargo paradox and for sure I'm following hoi4 just to see how it turns out, their ideas are promising (reminds me of something) and what I'm much more into is how good is diplomacy in Hoi4 , we got runemaster, hoi4 and project augustus(I hope for rome 2 game, I played rome mod for Europa universalis four and it was cool. Noone knows what it is.
 
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Unfortunately, BjornB, things like this are what conspiracy theorists feed on. Years from now there will still be folk trying to use the unitentional mixed messaging as evidence that Paradox cancelled EvW because of the illuminati or some other nonsense.

Yeah I know. Another problem with giving out information. Everything is analyzed, and everything not fitting the conspiracy is ignored... :/

We will not point fingers however. No matter how much some people seek a scapegoat in here.
 

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85% is only used in the programming environment why do you think you wait until there are updates to buy something. (tho with car recalls maybe it apply's to vehicles as well lately)
everyone got that 85% thing wrong, they said beta will launch when 85% is done.
 

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Yeah I know. Another problem with giving out information. Everything is analyzed, and everything not fitting the conspiracy is ignored... :/

We will not point fingers however. No matter how much some people seek a scapegoat in here.
Ah, well. You've done your best. Thanks for trying, you did a good job with what you had.
 

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So we get yet another WW2 game instead, version four. In vanilla needing years of polish a la version three.

You've lost a fan here PI, if you care. Trust takes a long time to build, such a short time to lose completely.
 

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this indiegogo thing seems legit as if it wasnt they wouldn't say their names but other than that
I doupt anyone will embargo paradox and for sure I'm following hoi4 just to see how it turns out, their ideas are promising (reminds me of something) and what I'm much more into is how good is diplomacy in Hoi4 , we got runemaster, hoi4 and project augustus(I hope for rome 2 game, I played rome mod for Europa universalis four and it was cool. Noone knows what it is.

It's not legit. Chromos speaks about it in a German forum. Alexander didn't use his real name. Alexander von Löwenstein is his artist name ("under his registered artists name"), And Chromos said Konrad didn't know anything about this project.
 

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Yeah I know. Another problem with giving out information. Everything is analyzed, and everything not fitting the conspiracy is ignored... :/

We will not point fingers however. No matter how much some people seek a scapegoat in here.

I am sorry you guys are getting so much shit flinged at you by some users.

You are a great company and I personaly trust you guys when you say that you had good reasons for pulling the plug.

And as for kids writing conspiracy theories, you can never win.
 

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everyone got that 85% thing wrong, they said beta will launch when 85% is done.

im talking about how programs are only about 85% done because if they tried going for 100% something would need to be changed or updated. Most programmers don't even create new content you constantly update old ones.
 

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So we get yet another WW2 game instead, version four. In vanilla needing years of polish a la version three.

You've lost a fan here PI, if you care. Trust takes a long time to build, such a short time to lose completely.

You are not getting HOI4 instead of EvW. You were supposed to get both, but now one fell through to all our dismay.
 

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I hope the Ukraine stuff has nothing to do with it.. just seems to be interesting timing though.
 

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Dear Paradox,

hopefully you will create HOI4 as good as it should be with finally working AI and other stuff that are not working in HOI3. into future i would like to see Cold war DLC.
Bye bye East-vs-West... :(
 

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Yeah. Obviously "the Market" would see nothing wrong with a house that is 85% finished, or a car that is 85% finished, or a ship that is 85% finished.

This sentence is 85% Finis . . .

When I moved into the home we live now we actually had to make furniture ourselves. So you might call it 85% finished.
When grandpa moved into his home, well let's say he had to BUILD it himself.
When you buy a second hand car, you have to change tires, oil, gas, battery, remove rust, weld the holes, paint again... I guess that is even less then 85% finished.

So your point is moot. There is market even for half finished products, especially if most of finishing can be done in lua or other open parts of product. Only point is to target only the part of market which will like half finished product. Think: LEGO fans.
 

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When I moved into the home we live now we actually had to make furniture ourselves. So you might call it 85% finished.
When grandpa moved into his home, well let's say he had to BUILD it himself.
When you buy a second hand car, you have to change tires, oil, gas, battery, remove rust, weld the holes, paint again... I guess that is even less then 85% finished.

So your point is moot. There is market even for half finished products, especially if most of finishing can be done in lua or other open parts of product. Only point is to target only the part of market which will like half finished product. Think: LEGO fans.

And your point is moot because Pdox is in the market for finished products.
 

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So just to clarify this ... there is absolutely no chance of east versus west, be it the beta or some sort of a full release every being playable by the public? Ever?
 

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- Why not release what you got as an open beta as said before?
: Revised information due to bad communication: So what is said in the initial post - As the project has been severly delayed we dont think that open beta / early acccess could, within our desired timeline, meet the set criteria.

This still leaves the option open for a private release to the forum users who loyally followed along for several years. Would it be possible to grant 'as is' access to the steam copy? Or is there any agreement with steam that it is only for developers? I doubt that Paradox will reverse this decision, but it really sucks for those of us who have checked the forums virtually daily so it must feel pretty bad for BL AND Paradox... Is there any hope for the unlisted (on steam) non-commercial private release idea? Can some one also clarify how the steam developer branches work as well? Will they be automatically removed?

Edit: Tone of this sounds bad, to be clear I don't think the forum users need to be rewarded or that paradox is obliged to reward them for their faith.
 
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