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Today it's our sad duty to inform you that it has been decided to cancel the game "East vs West". We at Paradox Interactive have the utmost respect for BL Logic and this is not a decision that has been taken lightly—quite the contrary—but ultimately we are a publisher and our actions and decisions must reflect that.

As the project has been severly delayed we dont think that open beta / early acccess could, within our desired timeline, meet the set criteria.

It has been a journey of ups and downs since we started the development of East Vs West back in May 2011. We wish each other nothing but the best with future endeavors.

We also would like to thank the developers for their hard work and their tremendous effort, as well as the fans for their long term commitment and their never ending support.

Yours sincerely
Fredrik Wester, Lennart Berg, Gellert Keresztes
 
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Please note that any comments about this happening due to HOI4 will be considered as trolling, and acted upon as such!
(this assumption is just plain silly. I won't even bother with going into more details about that)

FAQ!

- Why did you not tell us about the cancellation sooner?
: We really struggled to the last to make this game happen. Sadly it reached a point where it was no longer possible. This decision is fresh, and you were told pretty much immediately.

- Why not release what you got as an open beta as said before?
: Revised information due to bad communication: So what is said in the initial post - As the project has been severly delayed we dont think that open beta / early acccess could, within our desired timeline, meet the set criteria.

- Why not release the game to be finished by the community?
: Releasing the source code would mean releasing the source code for Clausewitz. And I hope you understand why this is not something we could do.


***** ABOUT THE EDIT ******

The revision of the FAQ was made by me who wrote it at first. In my feeble attempts to actually give you some of the answers you seek I misunderstood a piece of information. There is no conspiracy in the works. The decision was simply made that it would not be possible to produce a satisfactory version to release.
 
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Game is cancelled i thing NDA is useless now
The game being cancelled does not affect the NDA, unless the NDA specified that it'd end if the game was cancelled.
 

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I understand people want more details about exactly what went wrong. I will however re-iterate what I said a while back in the "About the future..."-thread. There are hard decisions that has to be made. They are hard enough to make without having to first convince 200 forumites of why some things has to be.

And what exactly would a detailed list of "what went wrong" do? I have a feeling that such a list would not end up with this entire thread going: "Aha! That makes sense..." and then go about their daily lives. Fingers would be pointed, people would have twice the amount of follow up questions and a whole debate should ensue about the "what if"'s, "why"'s etc.

We are as sorry as you guys are about this. We would not have invested years and lots of money in something we did not want and believe in, but sadly things did not go as planned.

Thank you for your tremendous support over the years. You guys are great, despite some of the less flattering things said today. I can understand your frustration, which is the product of your passion which is what we appreciate.

I would also like to ask you kindly to refrain from attacking each other.
 

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This thread is seriously derailing into personal attacks both on other users and developers etc, as well as the more and more frequent foul language.

If you don't start behaving and showing that you are able to keep a civil discussion and respect for other users, the banhammer is going to be wielded en masse and this thread and forum will be shut down completely!


It's okay to be frustrated and angry over what happened and express your disappointment in a civilized way. This does not mean you are allowed to behave like that!
 

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The revision of the FAQ was made by me who wrote it at first. In my feeble attempts to actually give you some of the answers you seek I misunderstood a piece of information. There is no conspiracy in the works. The decision was simply made that it would not be possible to produce a satisfactory version to release.
 

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Unfortunately, BjornB, things like this are what conspiracy theorists feed on. Years from now there will still be folk trying to use the unitentional mixed messaging as evidence that Paradox cancelled EvW because of the illuminati or some other nonsense.
Yeah I know. Another problem with giving out information. Everything is analyzed, and everything not fitting the conspiracy is ignored... :/

We will not point fingers however. No matter how much some people seek a scapegoat in here.
 

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So we get yet another WW2 game instead, version four. In vanilla needing years of polish a la version three.

You've lost a fan here PI, if you care. Trust takes a long time to build, such a short time to lose completely.
You are not getting HOI4 instead of EvW. You were supposed to get both, but now one fell through to all our dismay.
 

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Releasing a Beta would imply the game was still being developed.

Releasing it as non beta would make everyone else consider it to be a full game from Paradox and BL-logic and it would be considered as such by everyone besides a few hundreds in these forums. That's just how it is...

How many games have you seen being released with "This game is not finished, and we won't be finishing it either"?
 

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Could you just answer a small question please, why cannot the community fund development if we don't mind playing a buggy early access game via steam? If PI does not have to fund the project what would there be to loose? BL gets to keep working and PI doesn't have to foot the bill. Please just asking for some clarity as I believe this is why people are upset by not being given the opportunity to support a project we believe in.
That was the plan up until a day ago... But for reasons not shared with me it was decided by Paradox and BL-logic that it was not possible after all. And to why it is so I refer to my previous statements on why we can not give out all the details. I am truly sorry. I wish we lived in a world where it would actually be possible to share all information and everyone would benefit from it. Sadly, this is not the case.
 

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What about releasing it in Alpha (like DayZ) with a huge warning and disclaimer and left the BL-Logic and other modders help improve it without a time limit? Because if time was the problem, we could still wait, even if that means missing all the "release slots" of 2014. But throwing it away completely is a total waste of time and effort.
I can not give you more details other than that at this time it's not possible. I'm sorry.
 

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I hope people higher up who make these decisions realise what a PR disaster this has been and how it will affect their generally loyal consumers.
We are certainly aware of this and a lot more. But the best thing you can do in situations like this is to try and learn and improve.
 

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Just checking in to see if we should keep this thread open, have we as a community fulfilled our catharsis?

Although I have not posted my own thoughts, reading the whole thread has been interesting for me as well (even some of the more "out there" conspiracy theories proved entertaining and imaginative), I know it was a sad announcement for me and my forum staff that had put a lot of effort into the forum side of things. These decisions are never easy and how we deal with adversity is telling of our character. Want to thank all the PDS, PI and Bl-Logic personnel for their professionalism during this time.

Points I have taken from the thread:

A) Some Member are upset and angry at the cancellation.
B) Some Member feel greater communication is needed in the future.
C) Some Members would like a Cold War game in the future.
D) Some Members want it released in its current state/crowd source funding.

Did I miss any major points raised?

Comments on those points
A) We feel the pain, and are disappointed things did not work out as well.
B) This is definitely something that we will look at going forward.
C) Which games get developed is out of my purview but I will pass it on.
D) I will not explain the realities of the gamming market to explain why the last point is very unlikely to happen although many posters have touched on it, I know it will disappoint but I can only refer you back to Fred's announcement in the first post of this thread.

If I do decide to leave the thread open longer, going forth, I will expect the following:

Keep the language and images work safe.
No external links.
No personal attacks.
Keep to the topic at hand.

Thanks for the input and for participating in the discussion.
 

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Perhaps some of you missed my other post.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...teractive!&p=17031248&viewfull=1#post17031248

If you have not already done so read it.
I am now forced to add some things on the end of it.

No Nazi stuff.
Idle speculation of things you know nothing about and we cannot talk about, that is just trolling.

In an effort to save this thread for people to have their say, I must resort to upping the ante.
I will therefore be handing out bans and not just infractions for major breaches of rules now.
Consider this fair warning to consider if you really want to say what you are posting.
 
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