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While the discussion about more or less successful invasions of Britain in pre-EU3 times is interresting and all, it had absolutely nothing to do with EU3, and definitely nothing to do with the EU3 AI. Please refrain from hijacking threads, and likewise - don't follow the hijacks...
 

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Wtbrg said:
Let's not even get in to alliance members first deciding they won't join in a war, then rejoining the alliance. They have to decide whether they will be at war with this country, learning of it if they did not know before, and maintain this position until the end of that war unless a special event dictates otherwise. After the war is over, perhaps they can rejoin the alliance, but they are (typically) hardly providing assistance (material, but in EUII it's chiefly military access to the alliance enemies) when they engage in wars they have no business in.
I always conceptualized that as the alliance member deciding against it, then you sending over diplomats to convince/coerce them into helping.
 

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My only concern with AI war aims is that they be dynamic enough to handle a situation where:

AI goal - conquer province X from country Y

war starts

county Z takes province X and the AI is not at war with country Z and does not wish to go to war, however, they are winning the war. They also now have no seconardy goal either (or one that is achieveable).


That means that the war aims must be dynamic enough to respond to situations if they are implimented or the AI must always have some base-interest, outside money (since coffers can only be filled up so much) that it wishes to take or else it would lead to more of the same.
 

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Indeed, there is already such a crude mechanism in place: AI declared war on you for this national province you hold and did well, capturing that province. Then it decided to continue besieging your various unrelated provinces in the same war. There's greed.

Also consider AI to AI wars. I do not know much about them because I have not studied this with the map visible. The English have endless wars with the Indians. The Portuguese et al have wars with Zimbabwe and so on. These are weak opponents. The motives for such wars must be greed rather than any specific casus belli. Despite this, the AI is not ably equipped to fight over such distances. In a way this simulates the historical relationships of those nations to natives: Good some times, bad at others with many 'skirmishes' over the years. In a way it's just a flaw in AI logic that despite their previous 4 difficult, inconclusive wars with Lenape, in which ducats and WE were expended, another war has a real purpose and a reasonable chance of success. Attrition decides those wars. This is asking too much from the AI - there are more serious logical flaws which EUIII will surely attempt to address.

When the AI is in contact with itself, it is much better able to manage war. Military access can cause awkward situations, but other than that you can basically buy your way a path across Europe to your liking. The AI does not do this...but they love their ships. :) Any way, France and Spain are now at war. So they have a border and send their armies in to their enemies' provinces. The war rages for years. The nations drain their treasuries and capture a few provinces. The war is a stalemate. Then, they with whatever irrelevant allies they may have, reach a peace settlement. France pays 17 ducats to Spain as a war indemnity. Now, I do not know exactly how this would work, but in my way of thinking 17 ducats is a deeply symbolic, even insulting sum, because the war clearly cost hundreds if not thousands of ducats to wage. Never mind that it is all France has right now - Spain gains nothing from 17 duats but victory points. Give these two guys a generation or so, and they'll be at each other's throats again. That's fine...but they have to accomplish some thing in these wars. The hundred years war, a good example, would not have lasted 100 years if the English were never able to gain any thing in peace treaties. They persisted in their claims, made progress, and influenced history. Eventually France and England figured out their priorities and did not war randomly. "Relations" at -200 could mean almost any thing. This is highly symbolic. I do not think we will see any changes in such relationships for EUIII, unfortunately.
 

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Wtbrg said:
Indeed, there is already such a crude mechanism in place: AI declared war on you for this national province you hold and did well, capturing that province. Then it decided to continue besieging your various unrelated provinces in the same war. There's greed.

Also consider AI to AI wars. I do not know much about them because I have not studied this with the map visible. The English have endless wars with the Indians. The Portuguese et al have wars with Zimbabwe and so on. These are weak opponents. The motives for such wars must be greed rather than any specific casus belli. Despite this, the AI is not ably equipped to fight over such distances. In a way this simulates the historical relationships of those nations to natives: Good some times, bad at others with many 'skirmishes' over the years. In a way it's just a flaw in AI logic that despite their previous 4 difficult, inconclusive wars with Lenape, in which ducats and WE were expended, another war has a real purpose and a reasonable chance of success. Attrition decides those wars. This is asking too much from the AI - there are more serious logical flaws which EUIII will surely attempt to address.
I dont think its greed so much as the national AIs are perhaps coded to war with certain nonEuro countries. The reason the wars go on for ever is simple - the 50,000 INdian quickly beat the 1,000 English/Portugues etc conquistador and then occupy the unfortified colonies. The AI cant coordinate armies and fleets to transport a decent army over and the Indians dont have enough WS to force a peace from just occupying a few colonies. At the end of it you often see IRoquis holding a 600 anglo/prot colony that it cannot develop. Its also the English/ French/ Dutch who get into INdian wars. I have never seen Sweden or Denmark having such wars despite colonies on the US east coast, which is why I would guess its coded into the national AIs and not greed as such.

The reason you would want AI war ams is so that the AI doesnt needlessly loses armies through massive attrition besiegin Tyrol with all the allaince troops and let everything go to whatever. And mainly so that it wont accept (or offer) retarded peace deals like Spain getting Narvik or France getting landlocked Kalmuk (FRA/GEO/POL v TUR/CRI).

The end result may be accurate but its not because that was the intent, but because the AI is stupid and cant corodinate its armies (which is a matter for another thread).
 

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Oh, come on! I have already cleaned out one OT discussion about invasions of Britain from this thread. Is that warning I posted yesterday really that hard to see?

(thread will be reopened tomorrow, when people hopefully will have seen this notice...)
 
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