I don't know, but I get massive revolutions every couple years in China. Some of them have up to several hundred thousand people involved. A lot more soldiers than the confederates get in the civil war.
A House Divided: Why No Taiping Rebellion?
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Some people are just mad that such a serious event got overlooked there are other events that should have been included aswell. Also why do people assume America was some big deterent? Both Britiain and Germany could have beaten America during most of the time period. Had the South won the Europeans wouldn't have just started colonizing the Carribean. The nationalisim was too deep for that to happen again. Also look at the combatants. In the American civil war it was Union vs slightly decenterlized union. In the Taiping rebellion we have western style christian reformists going up against feudal style eastern religion manchus. Its alot easier to llok at the American civil war and go well x would have happened if the Confederates won but, because the Taiping rebellion is so overlooked their isn't as much disscussion.
Yea I wish the least they could do was have accurate start dates with countries etc. Like 1836 Improved, New NAtion Mod, and PDM did. Many countries missing from the start, bad borders, unhistorical ethnicites etc.
See, I can understand borders and ethnicities being off, because they're at least vaguely right and I understand the amount of work that would go into making everything PERFECT, for very little gain. What I can't understand is either going "you know what, let's not include the taiping rebellion," OR failing to so much as look at the wikipedia page for the year 1861
1861 on Wikipedia is a complete mess. It looks like it'd be more appropriate for a "Timeline of the ACW" section than in a Year-article, where it's less confusing to just list what events start and end. Not every event during a historic event, I mean it even talks about individual forts surrendering.
And how is "Not enough people in the Anglo-sphere care about China to flood it with links" an argument at all?
It was a reply to the guy who said they should have read the wiki page for 1861...
Am I arguing that they shouldn't have included the civil war? No. But the fact is that it IS mentioned, and if I were doing research on the start date, I would have looked at it to see what was up. I mean it got french troops revolved, so it must have been at least a LITTLE important.
Oh, so you were only talking about the last third of a sentence. Alrighty. Consider my post to be in response to the attitude potentially displayed by such a statement, then, rather than you as the actual person quoted.
How can they forget the Taiping Rebellion? Something so important in Chinese history gets left out, when the ACW was majorly focused on? I'm an American and I find that offending. I mean it's a sandbox game, they add in Tripoli and it almost always gets obliterated in just the first couple of months. Than why not just through in Taiping, it cant be that hard.
Here is the deal. For those of you who are keen followers of Paradox games will know that our fans have made it clear to us that they would like our games to be of higher quality on release. We, of course, listen to our fans and take this challange very seriously. Our solution is more tight focus on what we have said we will deliver and less feature creep. Things will get missed, I freely admit this, but what you must consider is what would we have not done for every feature you like us to add? Essentially we would have to have either cut another feature or reduced the ammount of bug fixing time at the end of the project. Neither of these we felt was an option so the Taiping rebellion is not it.
Thank you for adding support for multiple scenarios, but why include a new start date at all if you aren't going to make it at least workable, with the CSA not having every single army tech, and a bunch of countries having no prestige or half finished OOB's?
Yeah, patches. This is paradox, remember. They make the best games in the world but they're entirely dependent on the free DLC that is patches.
I can see the reason as simply being we already have it via mods. There's no point in Paradox doing stuff that's already been modded in and will probably be readded to AHD in under a month. That frees up time for them to either work on stuff that can't be modded (like the AI) or add in new tools for modders (like the cb changes, I love you for that Paradox by the way.)
By that logic, Paradox should have only added the ability to HAVE different scenarios and not bothered making one at all.
indeed. I agree with this.
Like it or not. Call it laziness or not. I don't care. Paradox has a loyal following and an excellent community of modders.
What this means is that historical details are, and should be, largely ignored and they concentrate on adding futures (and making them moddable, obviously)
If we got a taiping rebellion, which will be added by PDM in a week anyway, we wouldn't get subsidize/unsibsidize all button. Do you really want to make that sacrifice for 1 week worth of waiting?
to be honest, that would be equally good to me.
Think about the market Paradox serves in order to get an idea of where their development budget is used. I truly doubt they are making a fortune on these games so they work the most on what is important to the majority of their buyers. It is good that the modding community can fill in the holes.
I agree the new start date is very lacking, but Victoria II is more of a game engine then a fully fleshed out game. This is a good thing. Paradox could never have built as good of an engine as they did and got all the details of the world right. I'm sure PDM and many other mods will have the world cleaned up fairly soon.
I think that leaving out the Taiping Rebellion was a major oversight but I would rather Paradox spend time making the game engine better(something that is hard for modders to do) then spend the time getting the details right(something that is easy for modders to do).
Agreed. The 1861 is hardly the focus of AHD though (in gameplay terms, marketing terms may be different), there are many great new start date agnostic features included.