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As the title suggests, this AAR is an attempt to describe the history of an EU3 game with minimal player intervention. Unfortunately, EU3 does not have an "observe" cheat like CK2 does, so my "strategy" for this AAR will be to bounce around between minor countries and watch the action, while playing as passively as possible. A second problem that I am aware of is that I won't be able to see the entire world at the inception of the game,which will hamper my description of events in parts of the world where I'm not playing. There are cheats to reveal provinces, but I discovered that using them causes other countries in the same culture group as me to be able to see them after 50 years, which can result in peculiar things. So I'm not going to use them; I'll just rely on save games to trace the action in other parts o the world. If anybody has better suggestions as to how to play a minimal impact EU3 game, please feel free to offer them.

The discerning reader will also have noted the "part two" in the title. This is, in fact, a continuation of a Crusader Kings 2 game. I have used raziot's conver to port my "hands-off" CK2 game into EU3, so I must thank him for the work he has put into developing this tool. I did some editing of the save game (mostly using EU3 save suite) after conversion. The most important changes I made were to fix the membership of the Holy Roman Empire, and restore the Kingdom of Burgundy, which got merged with the realm of the HRE. I also decided to modify the province populations, incomes and so on so that they now fall somewhere in between the CK2-based conversion and the "historical" EU3-1452 start, and performed a sort of crude normalization on the data so that the overall range of province values, technologies, etc. in Europe was comparable to what it would be in a vanilla EU3 game with a December 31, 1452 start. Those joining me on this journey now but with an interest in knowing what has gone before, may wish to view this thread:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...he-World-According-to-Paradox-a-Hands-Off-AAR

Since this world's history diverged slightly from ours between 1066 and 1452 and is therefore an unconventional EU3 starting position, I am going to spend the first few updates showing Europe in December 1452.

Northwestern Europe looks like this:
Northwest_1452.jpg


The major players in northwestern Europe, listed below by the number of provinces in their realms. Note that I have included both parts of personal unions in the figures for number of provinces, but have not included the provinces owned by the vassal states. I have listed the names and the CK2 titles of the major rulers and their vassals, as well as their EU3 names as defined by the Papal Pronouncement of 1452.

FRANCE (FRA) – King Guillaume van Vlaanderen of France – 43
Vassals – AMG - Duke Renaud d’Ivrea of Valois, Flanders and Castille

NORWAY (NOR) – King Erlend Ylving of Norway – 30

DENMARK (DAN) – Queen Ragnhild de Boulogne of Denmark – 26

FRANKFURT & BRUNSWICK (FRN/BRU) – Duke Humbert von Voghiera of Franconia, Brunswick and Samogitia – 19

SWEDEN (SWE) – King Mats Galta of Sweden – 12
Vassals: GOT – Duke Valdemar Galta of Ostergotland

ENGLAND & IRELAND (ENG/IRE) – King Ontfroy van Vlaanderen of England and Ireland – 11
Vassals: LAN – Duke Edmund of Hwicce of Lancaster and Leinster; NOL - Duke Pierre d’Askeaton of Northumberland; MNS – Duke Mathieu de Vendome of Kent

BURGUNDY & RUSSIA (BUR/RUS) – Kaiser Bernard von Lenzburg, Holy Roman Emperor, Duke of Upper Burgundy and Cheremisa - 11

BOHEMIA (BOH) – King Philipp de Boulogne of Bohemia – 9
Vassals: KOL – Duke Luitpold von Eppenstein of Koln; LOR – Duchess Christine von Joudreville of Lower Lorraine, Holland and Brabant; LUX – Duchess Mathilde Flamens of Luxembourg

POLAND (POL) - King Pawel Hagalin of Poland – 8

LEINSTER (LEI) – Doge Dabid de Carrickfergus of Ulster, Moray, Gwynedd, Deheubarth, Galloway, the Isles, Lothian, Cornwall, Connacht and Meath – 7

SCOTLAND (SCO) – King Edmund of Galloway of Scotland - 5

Crusader Kings 2

pg. 1
CHAPTER ONE: THE RISE AND FALL OF NORMAN ENGLAND 1066-1085
CHAPTER TWO: TURKISH TURMOIL, 1070-1080
CHAPTER THREE: THE FATIMID JIHADS AND THE FIRST CRUSADE (1076-1095)
CHAPTER FOUR: NORWAY AND THE NORTHERN CRUSADE, 1071-1128
pg. 2
ALL IN THE FAMILY? THE RISE OF RUS, 1069-1089
THE CHARSIANON CRISIS AND THE SICILIAN CRUSADE, 1117-1130
The Return of Al-Andalus, 1114-1133
THE PECHENEG CAMPAIGN AND THE WAR OF THE WOMEN, (1121-1146)
1143 maps
pg. 3
THE PREMYSLID DECLINE: POLAND, 1137-1159
THE BIRTH OF IRELAND, 1122-1170
THE RISE OF THE HAMMADIDS, 1139-1167
THE 2ND JERUSALEM CRUSADE AND THE FATIMID CIVIL WAR (1159-1174)
THE FALL OF BRITTANY, 1168-1181
AN ELEGY FOR ABYSSINNIA, 1175-1183.
pg. 4
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, 1145-1206
THE GENOVESE MUSLIMS AND THE ITALIAN HOLY WARS 1189-1207
THE DIVISION OF NORWAY AND THE WARS THAT FOLLOWED, 1191-1218
THE DANES IN SPAIN REIGN MAINLY ON THE PLAIN, 1198-1213
ARNULF THE TERRIBLE AND THE FRENCH CIVIL WARS, 1204-1217
1220 maps
pg. 5
MAURICE THE CRUEL AND THE ENGLISH CIVIL WAR, 1217-1233.
pg. 6
THE MONGOLS ARE COMING: IL KHANATE, 1216-1247
MORE MONGOL MADNESS: THE GOLDEN HORDE, 1231-1262
KAISER CARLO’S CHAOS: THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, 1249-1268.
BASQUING IN SUNNY SPAIN: THE RISE OF NAVARRA, 1221-1278
pg. 7
A MUIREBE MURDER MYSTERY AND A DREAM OF UNIFIED BRITAIN, 1257-1294
A MONGOL MAELSTROM AND A FLIRTATION WITH ORTHODOXY, 1274-1298
1297 maps
pg. 8 [Switch to 1.07]
HUNGARIAN EXPANSION, 1291-1321
DECADENCE, DECLINE AND DIVISION IN SELJUK PERSIA, 1290-1331
RISING MARATIME POWERS OF THE WESTERN MEDITERRANEAN: SARDINIA AND NAVARRA, 1301-1348.
pg. 9
THE FALL OF THE FATIMIDS, 1339-1351
GAUCELIN THE CRUEL AND FRENCH SUPREMACY, 1341-1363
THE DISINTEGRATION OF THE GOLDEN HORDE, 1350-1379
1375 maps
pg. 10
A NEW ROMAN GOLDEN AGE: BYZANTIUM 1377-1403
pg. 11
TIMURID TIME: TIMUR AND MUNGLIG, 1377-1403
THE COLLAPSE OF MUSLIM NORTH AFRICA, 1365-1420
KING EDMUND THE JUST AND THE SCOTTISH CIVIL WARS – 1376-1409
pg. 12
REBELLIONS AND SUCCESSION CRISES AND HOLY WARS, OH MY! – THE HRE, 1379-1409
PAVEL THE BOLD AND THE POLISH SUCCESSION WARS, 1382-1429
THE ENGLISH REVOLT AND OTHER FRENCH FRACASES, 1415-1443
pg. 13
UNREST IN THE EAST: BYZANTIUM AND THE TIMURIDS, 1422-1450
THE PAPAL PRONOUNCEMENT OF 1452
1452 maps

Europa Universalis 3 

pg. 1
Northwestern Europe
Northeastern Europe
Eastern Mediterranean and Middle East
pg. 2
Western Mediterranean
HRE map
1455 Stats
pg. 3
THE WESTERN MEDITERRANEAN, 1453-1483.
THE BRITISH ISLES, 1462-1489.
pg. 4
THE MIDDLE EAST, 1453-1498
THE HINDU RECONQUISTA, 1455-1476.
pg. 5
East Asia, 1453-1480.
NORTH AMERICA, 1463-1480
SWEDEN, 1486-1493
CENTRAL EUROPE AND THE REFORMATION, 1486-1512
pg. 6
EASTERN EUROPE, 1478-1514.
ITALY 1496-1525
WEST AFRICA, 1465-1519
pg. 8
CENTRAL ASIA 1488-1521
THE WORLD, 1518
pg. 9
THE FRENCH EXCOMMUNICATION WARS AND ‘LA TOURMENTE’, 1503-1586.
pg. 11
CENTRAL EUROPE 1513-1546
pg. 12
EASTERN EUROPE, 1525-1549
pg. 13
WESTERN MEDITERRANEAN, 1527-1568
THE FALL OF SWAHILI, 1533-1558.
pg. 14
India, 1499-1548.
pg. 16
SOUTHEAST ASIA, 1512-1571.
THE RISE OF SHAWNEE, 1542-1577.
THE HUNDRED YEARS WAR AND THE FALL OF THE MONGOLS, 1503-1625
pg. 17
1581 maps and stats
THE VOYAGES OF GODOFREDO DE YANGUAS AND THE NEW WORLD, 1574-1591
pg. 18
CENTRAL AND EASTERN EUROPE, 1569-1622
pg. 19
WESTERN MEDITERRANEAN, 1574-1626.
pg. 20
FOREIGNERS IN AFRICA, 1609-1616.
pg. 21
THE NEW WORLD, 1597-1648
pg. 23
SOUTHEAST ASIA, 1576-1607
pg. 24
INDIA, 1584-1644
BYZANTIUM, 1625-1647.
pg. 25
EUROPEANS IN WEST AFRICA, 1630-1652.
pg. 26
1645 maps and stats
pg. 27
CENTRAL EUROPE, 1634-1668
THE NEW WORLD, 1646-1678.
pg. 28
EAST AFRICA, 1650-1681
BYZANTINE CONSOLIDATION AND THE PUNITIVE WARS, 1648-1695
pg. 29
EAST ASIA 1632-1669
THE VOYAGE OF ALBERT SUFFOLK, 1694-1696
pg. 30
CENTRAL EUROPE, 1685-1695
pg. 31
West Africa 1654-1700
THE FALL OF MESOAMERICA (1674-1709)
pg. 32
NORTH AMERICA, 1683-1708
pg. 33
BYZANTIUM, 1696-1709.
1706 maps and stats
pg. 34
BRITISH ISLES, 1708-1732.
p. 35
CENTRAL AND EASTERN EUROPE, 1708-1737.
p. 36
THE MIDDLE EAST, 1709-1759
p. 37
EAST ASIA, 1696-1754
p. 38
JAPAN, 1711-1751
THE ENGLISH IN THE PACIFIC, 1705-1769
AFRICA AND THE WESTERN MEDITERRANEAN, 1714-1772.
p. 39
THE NEW WORLD, 1718-1767
THE BRITISH ISLES AND THE GREAT WESTERN WAR, 1748-1773
p.40
1769 World Maps & Stats
p. 41
INDIA AND SOUTHEAST ASIA, 1769-1790.
p. 42
THE MIDDLE EAST AND CENTRAL ASIA, 1765-1790.
p.43
THE COLONIAL REVOLUTIONS CONTINUE, 1775-1800
THE DANISH REVOLUTION, 1774-1807.
p.44
THE BRITISH ISLES, 1778-1809.
CENTRAL EUROPE, 1799-1816
p.48
JAPAN, 1767-1821
p. 49
THE FINAL FRONTIER, 1769-1814
1821 GLOBAL UPDATE, PART 1
p. 50
1821 GLOBAL UPDATE, PART 2: THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE
1821 GLOBAL UPDATE, PART 3: THE MAJOR PLAYERS
p. 51
1821 GLOBAL UPDATE PART 4: RELIGION AND CULTURE
p. 52
1821 GLOBAL UPDATE PART 5: RELIGION AND CULTURE
1821 GLOBAL UPDATE PART 6: TRADE
p. 53
1821 GLOBAL UPDATE PART 7: THE ECONOMY
1821 GLOBAL UPDATE PART 8: MILITARY
p. 54
1821 GLOBAL UPDATE PART 9: POLITICS, AND THE GREAT THINKERS OF THE PAST
THE BEGINNING OF THE LONG PEACE, 1821
 
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I can't wait to see how much insanity is inflicted upon your world as a result of EU3. :)
 
I hadn't read the CKII AAR, but may well do now. Very interesting Europe, particularly the strong Frankfurt in the HRE, somewhat compensating for the lack of a Bohemia or Austria. Bohemia especially is usually a major player in central Europe at the start of EU3 games, so it will be interesting to see what happens in their absence.

Ominous that Castille is a French vassal, I look forward to seeing the state of play in Iberia!
 
Thanks for all the kind comments and interest. As far as Pierre d'Askeaton, he was a humble baron in Ireland that was appointed Duke of Northumberland after the old Duke's title was revoked by the King of France, England and Ireland following the Great English Revolt of 1415. With respect to the HRE, Bohemia is actually fairly strong, it's just that its main focus is in the low countries and Rhineland. However, neither Bohemia nor Frankfurt are HRE members. The HRE is mostly in Russia!

As to Castille, although France is a presence in Iberia, it's not as much of one as that might suggest. As you will see, most of Iberia has been ruled by Denmark since the Andalusian crusade of the early 13th century, and much of the north is ruled by Navarra.

Quick comment: I'd prefer to deal with "historical" questions in the CK2 thread and keep this one for discussions of the conversion and Europe's future.
 
The Northeastern quadrant is in a state of flux. The collapse of the Golden Horde in the 14th century led to a massive land grab by Norway, the Byzantine Empire, the Timurids and the Holy Roman Empire. Most of the small states in the are HRE members, even as far east as Astrkahan and Sibir.

Northeastern Europe in December 1452:
Northeast.jpg


Below are listed the largest realms in the area in order of number of provinces. Note that I'm not listing states like Norway and Byzantium that have capitals outside this area.

HUNGARY (HUN) – King Kristof von Lenzburg of Hungary – 16

RYAZAN (RYA) – Duke Leopold von Rheinfelden of Vitebsk – 8

SILESIA (SIL) – Duchess Kunagunda Hagalin of Silesia and Greater Poland – 5

CRIMEA (CRI) – High Chief Guyug Timurid of Itil – 4

ASTRAKHAN (AST) – Duke Eckhard von Lenzburg of Bulgar – 3

FINLAND (FIN) – King Filip Sjoblad of Finland – 3

GOLDEN HORDE (GOL) – High Chief Nogai Aguchu of Aktobe – 3

KAZAKHSTAN (KAZ) – Duchess Eufemia Doukas of Sarkel – 3

NOVGOROD (NOV) – Duchess Maria Lodehat of Novgorod – 3

NIZHNY NOVGOROD (NZH) – Duke Norbert von Rheinfelden of Novgorod-Seversk and Smolensk – 3

YAROSLAVL (YAR) – High Chief Kachigun Yabin of Tumen – 3

ZAPAROZHE (ZAZ) – Duke Erich von Rheinfelden of Ryazan – 3
 
You could mod in Hawaii or some similar state, with a unique culture, and then watch the game after revealing the world map.

In any case, I'm really looking forward to this AAR!
 
yeah , but he'd be known by anyone in his group , and give neighbour bonus for all countries in his group

a starting HRE map could be nice , too.

with that map , I guess we'll see the return of the BBB.
 
but I discovered that using them causes other countries in the same culture group as me to be able to see them after 50 years, which can result in peculiar things. So I'm not going to use them; I'll just rely on save games to trace the action in other parts o the world.
What about creating some country in the middle of North America with all provinces discovered and modded new culture or somthing like that?
 
And catching up with part 2 :)
 
I too would like to see an Imperial map, the emperor could be getting a massive manpower boost. Hopefully some depict wars between France the the HRE in store.
 
The Southwest is much less complicated than it initially appears, as it is dominated by two large, very decentralized empires. The Byzantine Empire is so vast it spawned 17 vassal states and is still the realm with the most provinces.

The Eastern Mediterranean and Middle East, December 1452:
EU3_4.jpg


BYZANTIUM (BYZ) – Basileus Isaias Doukas of the Byzantine Empire- 49
Vassals: ACH – Doux Dionysios Melissenos of Athens and Achaia; ATH – Countess Ioulia Skleropoulos of Hellas; EPI Doux Hippolytos Palaiologos of Epirus; NAX – Doux Belisarios Gavras of the Aegean Islands; ARM – Doux Kyrillos Charitopoulos of Armenia and Mosul; GEO – Duchess Romane of Derbent; KAZ – Duchess Euphemia Doukas of Sarkel; ALH – Doux Sirhan of Lezhnovo of Sinai; NAJ – Doux Alexandros of Ha’il of Nefoud; HED – Doux Kallistos of Al Tamimi of Medina; AKK – Doux Makarios of Cetin of Mesopotamia; DUL – Doux Narses Panaretos of Trebizond; KAR – Doux Methodios of Djav of Edessa; TRE – Doux Ioulianios Doukas of Paphylagonia and Armenia; MAM – Doux Antonios of Buhairya of Alexandria; TRP - Doux Ioannikos of Tobruk of Cyrenaica; NUB – Despot Eustratios Ouranos of Nubia

TIMURIDS (TIM) – Khagan Boroghul Boroghulid of the Timurids – 11
Vassals: CRI – High Chief Guyug Timurid of Itil; GOL – High Chief Nogai Aguchu of Aktobe; QAS – High Chief Buri Batbayarid of Esfahan; YAR – High Chief Khachigun Yabin of Tyumen; CND – High Chief Arkhai Akhutai of Kermanshah; AYD – Chief Narin Timurid of Khiva; KHI – Khan Belgunutei Timurid of Khiva; PER – Khan Barghujin Barghujinid of Khwarizm

DURRANI (DUR) – High Chief Chiledu Ganbold of Birjand – 6

SYRIA (SYR) – Despot Maurikios Argyros of Syria – 5
Vassals: TUR – Duchess Epiphania Bryennios of Syria; ALB – Count Gabriel Argryos of Karin and Hama

KHORASAN (KHO) - High Chief Chulgutei Nayagid of Khorasan – 3

SICILY (SIC) – Sultan Sharif Thughrid of Sicily and Anatolia - 3
 
Wow, Nubia's big. Is there actually a Nubia tag that he got?
Byzantium's at a new height, bigger than before the Arab invasions. That's... huge.
Also, I am quite amused by the fact that Sicily owns part of Tripolitania and Oman and no part of Sicily itself.