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Attack someone and you should be able to offer them a removal of imperial reform. Just to be sure attack someone small so you can 100% them and force them if they arent interested in revoking a reform.
 

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How do you do it that quickly? Kill the colonizers and micromanage exploration to protectorate the American natives before CN's form? And how to prevent the Asians/Africans from westernizing?
So I don't think I will make 1650 based on mistakes I made (basically, if you allow Scotland to get full annexed by England, you've screwed up - no-CB scotland to get a foothold if you must, it saves you the hassle of building a bunch of heavies), but Austria should be able to kill Castile/Portugal/England before they get too out of hand, and France can be beaten later as they tend to pick exploration 3rd.

The reason why I say it is ruler dependent is you want a high admin king around 1600s so you can power through expansion (I would suggest diplo-influence-exploration-expansion).

The faster you act, the less time people have to Westernize. Asia shouldn't be a problem - if you're taken out all the colonizers than there is no one to westernize off of. I use horde vassals to hold Asian lands to avoid Western borders.

Let's hear it :)
Still in brainstorming phase but fundamentally - hordes can be annex released as HRE princes. However they don't become horde governments afterwards (meaning no delicious tribal feud CB). This is mostly a problem due to the diplo cost of provinces pre-imperialism - 25 per adds up but there are well-documented workarounds used in other WCs.
 

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England was really not a problem in my run, the problem in my run is that by the time you can do anything about castile and portugal they have already colonised shit loads so the world was filled up
 

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I just tried it this afternoon, it's so easy.

I revoked with all the HRE becoming vassals in 1473 on my first attempt. The WC is now sooo easy, plse paradox fix it fast.
 

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So how soon do you get the Burgundian event? I've tried a few times but they always start with a heir that has a strong claim.

The burgundian event is an option , i did it without the burgundian event pretty easily.
The Heir is not really preventing the burgundian event to trigger, the most important thing is burgundy prestige.
 

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So I don't think I will make 1650 based on mistakes I made (basically, if you allow Scotland to get full annexed by England, you've screwed up - no-CB scotland to get a foothold if you must, it saves you the hassle of building a bunch of heavies),
ORK Invasion

What worked in my game where Scotland is a vassal of England is Orkney Islands held by Norway
Yes a fleet can block it but I managed to find a time where no fleet was around and then walked my army onto mainland scotland
 

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I finally vassalized the HRE, in 1483! England is split up, and there has been no colonization besides Portugal in Africa. Should I just go and landlock Castile/Portugal now? If I feed my vassals via transfer occupation, so I get the AE and DIP costs?

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If I feed my vassals via transfer occupation, so I get the AE and DIP costs?
yes, you always get the AE costs, and furthermore vassal reconquest does not give AE discount as far as I can tell. However, since people can't join coalition when they are in truce with you, that is not a problem once you are strong enough.

As far as DIP costs:
-Vassal reconquest CB make ceding vassal cores free (but not other provinces)
-Your (not vassal) conquest CB makes all claimed province transfers free (whether you take them yourself or give to vassals)

I haven't used other CBs, but I imagine your deus vult would allow you to transfer all occupations for free. However, if your goal is to finish as quickly as possible, then there are better idea groups (in my opinion). Later on you can pick up imperialism which is also free dip on all provinces.
 

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yes, you always get the AE costs, and furthermore vassal reconquest does not give AE discount as far as I can tell. However, since people can't join coalition when they are in truce with you, that is not a problem once you are strong enough.

As far as DIP costs:
-Vassal reconquest CB make ceding vassal cores free (but not other provinces)
-Your (not vassal) conquest CB makes all claimed province transfers free (whether you take them yourself or give to vassals)

I haven't used other CBs, but I imagine your deus vult would allow you to transfer all occupations for free. However, if your goal is to finish as quickly as possible, then there are better idea groups (in my opinion). Later on you can pick up imperialism which is also free dip on all provinces.

Hmm, okay. I'm leaning toward giving the provinces to my vassals instead of taking them myself, to at least save ADM points. Is this a good idea? Also, if I do this, I guess I won't need to take the Administrative Idea group for the -25% coring cost?
 

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Self-coring is generally only needed if you plan to annex-release HRE princes, since you need them to be your cores to add to HRE.

It's a quite useful trick but you won't be doing a lot of manual coring. In my Austria game I am close to the 200 year mark and I have less than 600 base tax of provinces myself.
 

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Self-coring is generally only needed if you plan to annex-release HRE princes, since you need them to be your cores to add to HRE.

It's a quite useful trick but you won't be doing a lot of manual coring. In my Austria game I am close to the 200 year mark and I have less than 600 base tax of provinces myself.

I see. So what do you think I should focus on in the next few years? Killing the Iberians and England?
 

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Wingfoot said that he did it in 13 years, so that must have been 1457. But he also stated that he couldn't repeat it.
There is a factor of luck in there as well.

In his reddit thread about the 13 years run he said it may be possible to do it in even less than 10 years with a little more luck, did he later come back on that?
 

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