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Difficult decision you had to make there. On one hand, Stalin won't attack right now, if he ever will by the way..... but that's on a side note. On the other hand, now you have a line in the east leading to the border with Lithuania. If the SU is posing to be a threat, keep in mind that the Baltic states will probably Russian territory and you will have a rather large gap in the north.

Great update though :).
 

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It's... a little painful, watching this, imagining all the efforts and sacrifices, and knowing that they are most likely in vain (again), because the Allies just won't move, no matter what.

Let's hope the M-R Pact event chain has been interrupted and Mr. Stalin doesn't get to annex the Baltic States. This way, even if the USSR dows, they won't be able to reach Poland thanks to the nice German insulation layer. :p
 

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The Allies won't do anything :(
You could try giving them to you via expeditionary and actually push Germany yourself, I suppose. Hopefully the Germans won't attrition you, now that you've lost a lot of manpower gain to the German advances.
 

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To be fair, the Allies not doing anything is fairly accurate, for once.
 

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just tried playing poland myself without any pre-war conquests. built roughly 50 divisions of inf/inf/at/art,10 divisions of larm/larm/larm and 20 ints. after taking out königsberg the front pretty much completly stalled. its now 1941 and the last german attack (or bombing run) happened a year ago.

edit: 1st january 1942 soviets dow. i assume its scripted to happen in '42
 
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just tried playing poland myself without any pre-war conquests. built roughly 50 divisions of inf/inf/at/art,10 divisions of larm/larm/larm and 20 ints. after taking out königsberg the front pretty much completly stalled. its now 1941 and the last german attack (or bombing run) happened a year ago.

edit: 1st january 1942 soviets dow. i assume its scripted to happen in '42

It shouldn't be, really. They should jump in a few weeks afterwards if Germany is doing well, and a bit later if they are not, but not that much later.
 

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just tried playing poland myself without any pre-war conquests. built roughly 50 divisions of inf/inf/at/art,10 divisions of larm/larm/larm and 20 ints. after taking out königsberg the front pretty much completly stalled. its now 1941 and the last german attack (or bombing run) happened a year ago.

edit: 1st january 1942 soviets dow. i assume its scripted to happen in '42

Good Luck! Hopefully you survive the Red Army.

This way, even if the USSR dows, they won't be able to reach Poland thanks to the nice German insulation layer. :p

Yes, haha. I admit this is one of the small gamey things I'm doing.


Well, I'm working on the next update. Truth is not much has happened and I got a bit bored, and I don't want to spoil too much, but something interesting is finally happening. Most likely a not good interesting thing.
 

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Well... Even if it's bad, we still want to see it. :D

edit: 1st january 1942 soviets dow. i assume its scripted to happen in '42
Depends on what forces you have at the border. The Soviets won't dow before 1 Jan 42, but if you have enough troops, the AI doesn't feel confident enough and won't do it at all (happened to me; I once waited till mid 1944 before finally dowing them myself).
 

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No one would call Rydz-Śmigły’s gamble to abandon most of Poland a success, but for the time being Germany seemed reluctant to make an offensive. The Field Marshall’s plan was to keep the Polish army intact. If the army was still standing, Germany would have to contend with it while Poland’s Allies geared up. Moreover, Germany had more than doubled the amount of territory it would have to occupy, and unlike Austria and Czechoslovakia, the only Polish land under actual German control was the mud caked beneath Wehrmacht boots.

It was a heavy weight to ask the people to bear, but the Polish nation was united under the cause of Polish sovereignty. The Sejm, however, was not. After years of near dictatorial abuse of the Polish legislature by Pilsudski and Rydz-Śmigły after him, the politicians finally had their ammunition to bring down the Paternity.

Rydz-Śmigły became the man who lost Poland, instead of the man who saved it. The Field Marshall himself was too busy with army affairs to keep his influence in the Sejm intact, and moreover he feared what dismantling the Polish government might do both to national unity and international support for Polish sovereignty. The Allies were doing surprisingly little on the battlefield, and Rydz-Śmigły was concerned that Hitler might convince Britain and France to consent to a revised German-Polish border.

Rydz-Śmigły left the politicians alone and kept his attention to the front line. There was little to do but lay new fortifications. This was made possible by the Royal Navy. Much of Polish industry was in German hands now, forcing Poland to rely on Allied lend-lease. The North Sea became a graveyard for the Kriegsmarine, but shipping was under constant threat from German U-boats.

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In the election of 1941 Rydz-Śmigły lost almost all of his influence in the Sejm. The army was loyal to the man who had overseen its survival, and he stayed in command despite Wadyslaw Sikorski’s appointment to Chief of the Army.

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On 2 April, 1942 the arrival of the Canadian Expeditionary Force, some seven infantry divisions and a division of Canadian Marines, signified the first major Allied investment in Polish sovereignty. The British had been sending infantry and Marines from the Isles as well as commonwealth nations for nearly two years, but only one division at a time. The allied forces were promptly placed under Rydz-Śmigły’s command and ordered to fill in the gaps in Polish defenses.

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Before 1942 was over, the Japanese made an attack on the USA’s Pacific naval base, prompting Roosevelt to join the Allies. In an awkward show of faith, the American’s deployed “The Big Red One” to Danzig while neglecting to declare open war on Germany. Without consulting Poland, the British and Americans decided on a “Japan First” course of action.

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Rydz-Śmigły didn’t like it, as he knew his stalemate with the Wehrmacht could last only so long, but Japan was the weaker of the two axis powers, having blundered terribly in China.

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1943 was a year of relative quiet. Japan was stuck in China. The Americans and British were stockpiling for a Pacific campaign. The German Reich’s inaction would baffle the Polish high command until April of 1944, when it would become completely unpredictable.

When the new year arrived, the British tried again to open a new front by inviting Greece, the only balkans nation left out of the Axis, into the Allies. Greek troops quickly conquered Bulgaria, but before a British expeditionary force could be scrounged up, Yugoslavia slowly gobbled up Greece.

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April, 1944:
Since the Polish-Soviet war of 1919, Britain and France had consented to give up a portion of Poland’s eastern border to the USSR. Polish peoples still lived there, however, and maintained an intricate partisan network with the now German occupied portions of Poland. Because of this, Rydz-Śmigły had known for years that German and Soviet forces had been accumulating along eastern Poland’s border for years. But it is still unclear who fired the first shot. No doubt Stalin had his eye on bringing Europe into the Communist fold, but it would be foolish to oppose the German war machine. Conversely, it would be insane for Hitler, who could not even conquer Poland, to invade the Soviet Union. Nevertheless, in April 1944 the USSR and the German Reich went to war.

This meant surprisingly little in the European Theatre, where Stalin seemed indifferent to Poland’s plight, and would not liberate her from German occupation. Soviet forces sat on the border and fought any German forces that dared advance. Romania, neutral as ever, provided a neat stopper for the imminent flood of the Red Army.

In the Pacific the Soviets gave up territory to Manchuko and Japan, until the Red Army arrived in May and began to crush Japanese forces. This was the kick in the butt Britain and America needed. Both feared for their economies should the resources of the Pacific and Asia fall into Comintern hands and off the global market. The invasion of mainland Japan was launched at the end of May, and two months later the British had fully occupied Japan.

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The balance of power now pivoted over Poland, where a hostile Germany grew stronger every day and Soviet Russia waited silently opposing it. Polish resources dwindled and the end felt near. On 4 October 1944 the Sejm voted to call America into the war against Germany.

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Two days later Fascist Italy declared open war against the Allies and France finally went on the offensive.

To be continued... next year. Happy NYE!
 

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Nice update, what a mess is the world becoming when Poland holds the line.
 

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Nice defense you got going there. And indeed what a mess once Germany can't complete it's normal chain of sequences. Did they conquer Denmark even? Or did they think, nah f... it, we go west? :)
 

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Nice going. I must admit I didn't think you'd survive. But Germany did protect you from the Soviets after all.

Aaand, let me guess... at the same time, you're protecting Germany from the Soviets. Whenever the Russians push the Wehrmacht out from one of Polish provinces, they liberate it and can't move any further, because the USSR isn't at war with Poland, so Polish territory is neutral ground to them and you can't attack from neutral ground (and even if you technically could, you don't receive supplies there). This really is a mess...

Nice to see some serious Allied commitment to Poland. I like that South African division marked with a "?"; even the AI itself has no idea what it's built. :D

I get the feeling France is going to fall now - once they push deeper into Italy, they will either weaken their eastern border to bring more troops to the Italian front, which will enable Germany to break through, or the Germans will move some of their units to Italy and push the French back.

I wonder if the Americans are going to make an invasion somewhere. I've never seen an actual D-Day by the AI; would be nice to see a solid American landing for once.
 

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Aaand, let me guess... at the same time, you're protecting Germany from the Soviets. Whenever the Russians push the Wehrmacht out from one of Polish provinces, they liberate it and can't move any further, because the USSR isn't at war with Poland, so Polish territory is neutral ground to them and you can't attack from neutral ground (and even if you technically could, you don't receive supplies there). This really is a mess...

Exactly. This is going to force my hand I think, in the next update. I'll try to start with the current order of battle since I have *some* excess troops. The problem is it's mostly infantry, and mostly commonwealth nations with backwards tech. The Americans sent Britain a lot of expeditionary forces, or at least some, as I saw Eisenhower under British command in Japan. The key is to somehow keep those forces from one of Britain's foolish amphibious assaults where they lose everything.
 

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Well, I've had a couple major problems which might spoil this post, so I'll put them at the end... I'm going to try to keep this short, sorry, I guess I'm just frustrated that it's sort of ruined now.

Polish OOB January 1945:

The original Polish army of 1939, to which no new Polish units have been added, is contained within the 1st and 2nd Army of the 1st Army Group under Rydz-Śmigły’s Warszawa Command, the defensive line HQ. Both Armies consist of five Corps of five divisions with some sprinkling of Allied divisions. Mostly, they are three brigade divisions of future tech’d Polish infantry.

The four brigade Polish divisions of ‘39 which were under Anders’ Prussian command, were placed into four Corps under the “Reserve Army” of the “Reserve Army Group” which is now under Rydz-Śmigły’s Warszawa Command. After the ‘39 offensive into Prussia the divisions were used to fill in gaps of the Polish defensive line.

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As the Allies brought expeditionary forces to Danzig, Rydz-Śmigły distributed them along the front until all the gaps were filled. This was achieved with seven Corps of allied divisions of mostly infantry, some marines and engineers, and even fewer artillery and armored cars.

Once the gaps were filled, new arrivals to the Polish front were placed under Ander’s Command, the offensive arm of the Polish forces to be used as a counter-attacking or exploitive asset. As well as a Lithuanian watch dog, since Lithuania gives Germany military access. Ander’s command consists of five full Corps of all Allied forces.

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1945-1947

Now his fourth year in office, Wadyslaw Sikorski understood the pressure Rydz-Śmigły had been under to do something. Poland had bought her allies time. Nearly six years they had to prepare, but now was the time to act.

Sikorski’s foreign minister, Paderewski, made the trip to London to meet with the allied heads of state. He came with an ultimatum. Sikorski had tried repeatedly to parley with Stalin, offering transit rights that were flatly refused. Since occupying Finland, which had joined the Axis after conceding territory in the Soviet-Finnish war of 1940, Stalin had made no moves against Hitler. It was clear that Stalin had no intention of assisting the allies, and only preferred to wait for Hitler to crush Poland before invading Europe himself.

Sikorski’s plan was a bluff, but he had made Paderewski believe it, and he hoped his allies would too. It was time for an open declaration of war on the Soviet Union. Since Japan’s surrender, things had been quiet in Asia, and Sikorski believed if the British were to begin operations there against the Soviets, that Stalin might be prompted to defeat Hitler before the Allies and Hitler defeated Stalin.

Paderewski issued Churchill Sikorski’s ultimatum. If he did not declare war on the Soviet Union, Sikorski would surrender Poland and all of the allied forces stationed there to Hitler.

Sikorski’s bluff was not called, and just before the Chinese new year, British forces began pushing out of Pusan. Within weeks they had gained Korea and had begun occupying Russian Manchuria. The Red Army responded by furiously pouring into German occupied Poland. Just weeks before there had been a strong concentration of Wehrmacht forces there that were now on their way to assist Italy. France had blitzed into Genoa on New Years Day and were driving towards Venice.

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Once again the German high command showed it could not handle so many fronts at once. The Wehrmacht seemed to disappear overnight, tied up in redeployment somewhere, but nowhere on the front lines. French divisions of the Maginot Line pushed north in hopes of liberating Holland, and for just a moment the world held its breath while it looked as if Hitler’s thousand year Reich were about to collapse. Instead, it had only stumbled.

Slowly the Red Army’s drive was brought to a halt, while France’s offensive in Germany was beat back to the Maginot Line. Italy, however, was left alone to deal with France. By the end of February France had severed Northern Italy from Rome. A British task force lead by Eisenhower, the veteran of the invasion of Japan, had landed in Italian Albania in order to tie down Italian forces in the Balkans, which enabled France to quickly occupy the lightly defended Italian peninsula.

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Poland had survived on its own for nearly six years. Italy didn’t even last six months. On 27 May, 1945, the fascist Italian government surrendered, agreeing to stand down and make way for new democratic elections. Italy severed ties with the Axis, and Hitler could not spare the forces to keep Italy from going.

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By July, things were once again at a stand still. Britain’s Manchurian offensive had ground to a halt, while Stalin’s had done the same in central Poland. The Red Army seemed as reluctant to take on the Polish fortifications as the Wehrmacht had been.

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The sleeping giant, however, was showing signs of waking earlier that year, as an American task force had arrived in Britain. All through August the allies debated what should be done with this task force. Churchill wanted another amphibious assault, while Roosevelt was apprehensive after Eisenhower had been interned with the failed balkans invasion during the Italian campaign.

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Instead, it was Hitler who would decide where the GI’s would go. In September he launched a winter offensive deep into the Ukraine towards Crimea. In three short months the Wehrmacht had occupied more territory than it had all through the war. By December the Soviet’s had lost their Black Sea Naval Base, Sevastopol.

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Berlin was only 329 Km from Danzig, where the American task force arrived on 4 December 1945. An early Christmas gift. It was Poland’s turn to play Stalin’s game. The Allies would use the Red Army as their hammer to destroy the Wehrmacht. Once the Red Army occupied Germany, Poland would drive south with Anders’ Army until it once again shared borders with neutral Romania. Trapped, the Red Army would then be destroyed. Or, at least that was the plan.

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But right now, the Red Army needed help. Anders’ pleaded for a drive to Berlin. With the American Task Force, his army group had grown twice its size and now contained ten corps. Rydz-Śmigły gave him the green light, and the bloodiest phase of the war for Poland began on December 6th, 1945.

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It was clear that Poland had a local numerical superiority near Danzig, but it still took nearly a month for German defenses to crack. By the end of February Rydz-Śmigły knew Anders offensive had been a success. The Red Army had cut the Wehrmacht’s line of retreat and trapped them in Crimea. France made a few sorties along the Maginot Line to keep German honest. March 10th, Allied forces were only miles from Berlin, but by then Germany had redeployed its force and halted Anders offensive. On 15 April, with the Red Army approaching Warsaw, Rydz-Śmigły ordered a full retreat to Poland’s fortified line.

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The Red Army would not step foot onto German soil until July, 1946. The Wehrmacht made the Red Army bleed for every foot of Germany until on 7 February, 1947, Hitler surrendered to Stalin.

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Hopefully to be continued.

Problems
1st: Everything that happened in 1947 I have lost the screenshots of. Can you only hold 120 screen shots in your HoI III screenshots folder? For some reason it just stopped recording them after the 120th.

2nd: And I should have seen this coming, but since I've never made it this far its never been a problem. The game ends in 1948. But I'm not dead yet! Is there any way to extend a savegame after the end date?
 

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Huh, well at least you survived :D

Yes, there's a way. From the HoI3 unofficial FAQ:

The end date is found in common/defines.lua. Simply change it from 1948.1.1 to whatever you want it to be. Don't forget to back up defines.lua!
 

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Great update, I like it
Interesting way to make one enemy work to defeat the other, then make "creative use of the supply mechanics" to take the other out. It's a shame, but if the AI refuses to attack, you are left with little choice.
 

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Well you should have let France push the germans from the south, leaving Italy occupied.

I was worried the French wouldn't be able to handle the extra front. Their push towards the Netherlands had started getting repulsed, not to mention keeping Italy meant more than just having Germany to the North of it, but all of the Balkans to the East as well, and with the numerous attempts by Britain to liberate Greece there had certainly been no shortage of Axis armies there.

Huh, well at least you survived :D

Yes, there's a way. From the HoI3 unofficial FAQ:

I've tried that, but it didn't work. I'm not sure if it only takes effect in a new game. I'll try again.

EDIT: Success! I had to change it from the TFH sub-directory.
 
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Holy cow, that went fast :D. And to be honest, I did not think you would survive so big thumbs up to you! Typical the Soviets did not give you your territory back....
 

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And now, World War 3 :p