A map mod for The Enhanced Common Proposal in under development right now
COMMON PROPOSALS FOR IBERIA
Enhanced Common Proposal
I've talking with @Thrudgelmir2333 and we've done a new proposal based of Ultimate Iberia, but much more refined. We call it "ENHANCED COMMON PROPOSAL"
It would include all the provinces from 1.28, the Regular Common Iberia proposal and 3 new ones: Tudela (Navarre) Angra do Heroismo (new provinces in the Azores) and Castelo Branco (Portugal). More info below:
With city placement corrections and city placement for new provinces (Blue dots) and trade goods to new provinces
Regions and Province Changes by 1444 tags:
Portugal (+6 from Dharma):
Douro: Minho, Porto, Bragança, Aveiro, Guarda;
Tagus: Lisbon, Coimbra, Ribatejo, Beira;
Alentejo: Setubal, Evora, Beja, Algarve;
Açores & Madeira: Angra do Heroismo, Ponta Delgada, Madeira;
Léon (+3 from Dharma):
Léon: Asturias, Léon, Zamora, Salamanca;
Extremadura: Plasencia, Cáceres, Trujillo, Badajoz;
Castille (+11 from Dharma):
North Castille: Cantabria, Burgos, Palencia, Rioja;
South Castille: Valladolid, Segovia, Avila, Soria;
New Castille: Madrid, Toledo, Guadalajara, Talavera de la Reina
La Mancha & Murcia: Murcia, Cuenca, La Mancha, Albacete
Canaries: Lanzarote, Tenerife, La Palma;
Lower Andalusia: Huelva, Seville, Cádiz, Jáen, Cordoba;
Granada (+1 from Dharma):
Upper Andalusia: Granada, Malaga, Marriya, Gibraltar
Navarre (+1 from Dharma):
Vasconia: Viscaya, Pamplona, Tudela;
Aragon (+1 from Dharma):
Aragon: Calatayud, Pirineo, Zaragoza, Teruel;
Valencia (+2 from Dharma)
Valencia: Valencia, Xátiva, Alicant, Castelló;
Total Addition to Dharma: 25 new provinces
Strategic Aspects, Corrections & Additions
(Portugal):
1. Strait between Lisbon and Setúbal, both separated by Ribatejo;
2. LVL2 Forts in Évora (elvas) and Bragança (replacing Lisbon);
3. 'Gulf of Cadiz' renamed to 'Cape St.Vicent’;
(Castille & Aragon):
1. Badajoz borders drawn to prevent border gore when annexed by either Léon or Portugal without Mérida or, alternatively, when annexed with Huelva instead;
2. Xátiva and Valencia now directly bordered by the river;
3. Estuary in Seville renamed to "Guadalquivir;
4. Lvl2 Forts in Xátiva and Calatayud;
5. Strait between Cádiz and Tangiers;
Trade Zone & Trade Modifiers:
1. Murcia has now the same shape as the Kingdom of Murcia (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Corona_de_Castilla_1400_es.svg)
2. I moved Ávila to the North so its Southern Border matches the Gredos Range (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_de_Gredos). Now it looks more similiar to both the current and the old provinces of Ávila
3. I made Zaragoza cover the entire River Ebro in Aragon so it has a direct border with Navarre (it is quite easy to from Navarre to Zaragoza in real life)
4. Although Albacete was in Murcia (at the very border with La Mancha), I decided to make it an independent province covering East La Mancha. If you don't think that was a good idea, I can change the name to Alcañiz, an important town there.
5. Based on @fender proposals for Valencia on the dev diary, the provinces in Valencia have been redrawn so they are more similar to the historical governorates;
I used this source from the Royal Academy of History of Spain:
I am going to quote one my messages from the Dev Diary where I show how unbalanced province and population distribution are going to be after the patch.
Temperature map of Iberia, provided by @Naranjito :
I modified the map made by @Bandua_of_Gallaecia to suggest the winters in Iberia:
The proposal of @BalticM about centers of trade is interesting:
I would also add Valladolid. There's a city there called Medina del Campo that was one of the most important cities in Europe when it comes to wool trade. In fact, that was one of the largest cities of Spain too.
Changes in the Canaries:
After seeing when was conquered each island, The Canaries could be were divided into Western Canaries (La Gomera, El Hierro and La Palma), Central Canaries (Tenerife and Gran Canaria) and Eastern Canaries (Fuerteventura and Lanzarote)
Both Western and Eastern Canaries were already occupied by 1418 (with the exception of La Palma, but this island has to be somewhere) while Central Canaries were the last ones to be conquered (along with the aforementioned La Palma).
Besides, from a landscape/geographic perspective this would be good too.
These are very interesting threads about the Canary Islands, if anyone is interested in the History of the Canaries before the Castillian Conquest:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...slands-and-the-tribe-of-the-guanches.1123364/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/canary-islands-the-kingdom-of-taoro-on-tenerife-kingdom-of-gáldar-on-gran-canaria.1125566/
NOTES ON NAVARRE
1.28 is going to make Navarre lose its coastline, turning it into a much more difficult country.
That's why I propose giving Navarre a new province, to counter their increased difficulty.
My criteria to split Navarre is based both in geographical and cultural characteristics.
The red line is the approximate boundary of the Basque Speaking region in 1500.
As the map shows, the Southern half of Navarre was not basque-speaking, instead the language spoken there was Romance (mostly Aragonese and a also bit of Castilian).
From a geographical point of view, both halves of Navarre are very different:
The Northern Part is mountainous and wet:
While the Southern Half is flatter and dryer
This is how the revamped Navarre could look:
I also redrew the Western Border of Navarre so it's more similar to how it was (and still is) in real life.
New & modified tags
I don't think Iberia can have as many tags as the devs would want to, but one the best (and also more appropiate than Asturias IMO) would be Murcia, it could be a nice addition.
Originally it was a moorish kingdom that became a Castillian protectorate until a rebellion sponsored by Granada and North African volunteers expelled the Castillians. However, their success was short-lived and a Castillian-Aragonese alliance took Murcia again.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudéjar_revolt_of_1264–1266)
This tag could have Murcia and Orihuela (Alacant) as cores
Kingdom of Taoro: a Canarian native kingdom. More info in this thread created by @Aramenian :
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/canary-islands-the-kingdom-of-taoro-on-tenerife-kingdom-of-gáldar-on-gran-canaria.1125566/
I also think Mallorca could have a core on Rosellò and Montpellier, as they used to be part of the Kingdom of Mallorca:
NORTH MOROCCO REWORK
A few fixes in North Morocco based on the thread created by @Mingmung:
Ceuta and Melilla should be smaller, much smaller. Those cities were Iberian for most of the Eu4 time, but not the surrounding areas. It's very weird conquering Melilla as Spain and locking half of the Mediterranean coast of Morocco. It shouldn't be like that, Melilla is just a small city.
Tetouan was also misplaced, I moved it a bit so it is in its right position. I also tired to make the new province resemble the Principalities of Tetouan and Chefchaouen:
I also added Rif to cover the void left by the shrinking of Melilla and the displacement of Tetouan
New provinces for Southern France
To add more detail and also counter the increase of provinces in Iberia, I also suggest adding the following provinces to Southern France:
COMMON PROPOSALS FOR IBERIA
Enhanced Common Proposal
I've talking with @Thrudgelmir2333 and we've done a new proposal based of Ultimate Iberia, but much more refined. We call it "ENHANCED COMMON PROPOSAL"
It would include all the provinces from 1.28, the Regular Common Iberia proposal and 3 new ones: Tudela (Navarre) Angra do Heroismo (new provinces in the Azores) and Castelo Branco (Portugal). More info below:
With city placement corrections and city placement for new provinces (Blue dots) and trade goods to new provinces
Regions and Province Changes by 1444 tags:
Portugal (+6 from Dharma):
Douro: Minho, Porto, Bragança, Aveiro, Guarda;
Tagus: Lisbon, Coimbra, Ribatejo, Beira;
Alentejo: Setubal, Evora, Beja, Algarve;
Açores & Madeira: Angra do Heroismo, Ponta Delgada, Madeira;
Léon (+3 from Dharma):
Léon: Asturias, Léon, Zamora, Salamanca;
Extremadura: Plasencia, Cáceres, Trujillo, Badajoz;
Castille (+11 from Dharma):
North Castille: Cantabria, Burgos, Palencia, Rioja;
South Castille: Valladolid, Segovia, Avila, Soria;
New Castille: Madrid, Toledo, Guadalajara, Talavera de la Reina
La Mancha & Murcia: Murcia, Cuenca, La Mancha, Albacete
Canaries: Lanzarote, Tenerife, La Palma;
Lower Andalusia: Huelva, Seville, Cádiz, Jáen, Cordoba;
Granada (+1 from Dharma):
Upper Andalusia: Granada, Malaga, Marriya, Gibraltar
Navarre (+1 from Dharma):
Vasconia: Viscaya, Pamplona, Tudela;
Aragon (+1 from Dharma):
Aragon: Calatayud, Pirineo, Zaragoza, Teruel;
Valencia (+2 from Dharma)
Valencia: Valencia, Xátiva, Alicant, Castelló;
Total Addition to Dharma: 25 new provinces
Strategic Aspects, Corrections & Additions
(Portugal):
1. Strait between Lisbon and Setúbal, both separated by Ribatejo;
2. LVL2 Forts in Évora (elvas) and Bragança (replacing Lisbon);
3. 'Gulf of Cadiz' renamed to 'Cape St.Vicent’;
(Castille & Aragon):
1. Badajoz borders drawn to prevent border gore when annexed by either Léon or Portugal without Mérida or, alternatively, when annexed with Huelva instead;
2. Xátiva and Valencia now directly bordered by the river;
3. Estuary in Seville renamed to "Guadalquivir;
4. Lvl2 Forts in Xátiva and Calatayud;
5. Strait between Cádiz and Tangiers;
Trade Zone & Trade Modifiers:
- Shared Guadiana modifier between Huelva and Algarve (5 points for each);
- Chesapeake Bay forwards to Seville;
- Talavera: The city itself with around 5000 inhabitants was one the largest in the Kingdom of Toledo and had a very important pottery industry;
- Guadalajara: As @perp22 said, "was one of the most important Renaissance cities in Spain (mainly in XV and XVI century) and the main home of the powerful Mendozas family with their famous palace called “Palacio del Infantado” (one of the first Renaissance buildings built in Spain). Mendozas was one of the main supporters of Isabela and Ferdinand." It's population was also around 5000;
- Segovia: the city had 15000 inhabitants. I'll also quote @perp22 "Segovia was one of the most important cities in Spain in XV and XVI centuries too. Trastamaras Dinasty spend a lot of time there and was the political capital for many times (Isabella and Ferdinand lived there for long periods)." It was almost as populated as Barcelona (that had 20000 inhabitants at the time, although its population later expanded considerably);
- Plasencia: Plasencia was a very important city in the Crown and responsible for creating the region of Extremadura. It was also a historic province of Extremadura. Aproximate province population: >50000
- Trujillo. Pizarro's hometown. Capital of a Castillian province that covered most of current Extremadura. The capital "only" (it was not that low for the time) had 3000, but with the nearby villages under their jurisdiction it was 46,000.
- Minho: It's capital is Braga, a very important city during the Reconquista that had a great role in creating Portugal. The province encapsulates the densest region in the territory, including significant towns like Guimarães and "Viana do Castelo", and the region famous for producing "Green Wine" since the 11th century. In-game it also delays, like it did in real life, immediate military invasion from Galicia into Porto;
- Setubal: South of Lisboa. An important city during the Reconquista and of the most important ports of Portugal, with the Sado's estuary forming a major local bay for the Alentejo region. The region also produced a lot of salt that was historically exported in large quantities to Northern Europe; http://ler.letras.up.pt/uploads/ficheiros/7978.pdf
- Ribatejo: it contains a very relevant city called Santarém. It was the third most populated city at the beginning of the game's timespan. The province allows the strait crossing from Setúbal to Lisbon to be blockable by sea, an important historical strategic aspect of the wide Tagus River's mouth.
- Guarda: While unremarkable compared to Viseu, the city of Guarda is centered on the border against Léon, is the highest city in Portugal and makes a balanced final addition to the Douro area as a low-development defensive buffer.
- Angra do Heroismo: The westernmost island group in Azores, and Portugal’s westernmost territory as well. The Azores islands were colonized in stages, much like the Canaries, and the territory included in this province should be uncolonised at the start of the game (it was only historically settled in the early 1500s);
1. Murcia has now the same shape as the Kingdom of Murcia (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Corona_de_Castilla_1400_es.svg)
2. I moved Ávila to the North so its Southern Border matches the Gredos Range (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_de_Gredos). Now it looks more similiar to both the current and the old provinces of Ávila
3. I made Zaragoza cover the entire River Ebro in Aragon so it has a direct border with Navarre (it is quite easy to from Navarre to Zaragoza in real life)
4. Although Albacete was in Murcia (at the very border with La Mancha), I decided to make it an independent province covering East La Mancha. If you don't think that was a good idea, I can change the name to Alcañiz, an important town there.
5. Based on @fender proposals for Valencia on the dev diary, the provinces in Valencia have been redrawn so they are more similar to the historical governorates;
CONSERVATIVE COMMON PROPOSAL
Old update (version 1.3.5): We have an ongoing joint project and this is how it looks:
Map by Thrudgelmir2333
Murcia has now the same shape as the Kingdom of Murcia (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Corona_de_Castilla_1400_es.svg)
I moved Ávila to the North so its Southern Border matches the Gredos Range (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_de_Gredos). Now it looks more similiar to both the current and the old provinces of Ávila
I made Zaragoza cover the entire River Ebro in Aragon so it has a direct border with Navarre (it is quite easy to from Navarre to Zaragoza in real life)
Although Albacete was in Murcia (at the very border with La Mancha), I decided to make it an independent province covering East La Mancha. If you don't think that was a good idea, I can change the name to Alcañiz, an important town there.
Based on @fender proposals for Valencia on the dev diary, the provinces in Valencia have been redrawn so they are more similar to the historical governorates:
Other provinces have also been changed slightly so they are more similiar to historic divisions instead of modern provinces.
Old update (version 1.3.5): We have an ongoing joint project and this is how it looks:
Map by Thrudgelmir2333
New provinces:
- Talavera: The city itself with around 5000 inhabitants was one the largest in the Kingdom of Toledo and had a very important pottery industry.
- Guadalajara: As @perp22 said, "was one of the most important Renaissance cities in Spain (mainly in XV and XVI century) and the main home of the powerfull Mendozas family with their famous palace called Palacio del Infantado (one of the first Renaissance buildings built in Spain). Mendozas was one of the main suporters of Isabela and Ferdinand." It's population was also around 5000.
- Segovia: the city had 15000 inhabitants. I'll also quote @perp22 "Segovia was one of the most important cities in Spain in XV and XVI centuries too. Trastamaras Dinasty spend a lot of time there and was the political capital for many times (Isabella and Ferdinand lived there for long periods)." It was almost as populated as Barcelona (that had 20000 inhabitants at the time, although its population later expanded considerably)
- Plasencia: Plasencia was a very important city in the Crown and responsible for creating the region of Extremadura. It was also a historic province of Extremadura. Aproximate province population: >50000
- Trujillo. Pizarro's hometown. Capital of a Castillian province that covered most of current Extremadura. The capital "only" (it was not that low for the time) had 3000, but with the nearby villages under their jurisdiction it was 46000.
- Minho: it's capital is Braga, a very important city during the Reconquista that had a great role in creating Portugal. The province encapsulates the most dense region in the territory, including significant towns like Guimarães and "Viana do Castelo", and the region famous for producing "Green Wine" since the 11th century. It also delays, like it did in real life, immediate military invasion from Galicia into Porto;
- Setubal: South of Lisboa. An important city during the Reconquista and of the most important ports of Portugal, with the Sado's estuary forming a major local bay for the Alentejo region. The region also produced a lot of salt that was historically exported in large quantities to Northern Europe; http://ler.letras.up.pt/uploads/ficheiros/7978.pdf
- Ribatejo: it contains a very relevant city called Santarém. It was the third most populated city at the beginning of the game's timespan. The province allows the strait crossing from Setúbal to Lisbon to be blockable by sea, an important historical strategic aspect of the wide Tagus River's mouth.
Murcia has now the same shape as the Kingdom of Murcia (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Corona_de_Castilla_1400_es.svg)
I moved Ávila to the North so its Southern Border matches the Gredos Range (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_de_Gredos). Now it looks more similiar to both the current and the old provinces of Ávila
I made Zaragoza cover the entire River Ebro in Aragon so it has a direct border with Navarre (it is quite easy to from Navarre to Zaragoza in real life)
Although Albacete was in Murcia (at the very border with La Mancha), I decided to make it an independent province covering East La Mancha. If you don't think that was a good idea, I can change the name to Alcañiz, an important town there.
Based on @fender proposals for Valencia on the dev diary, the provinces in Valencia have been redrawn so they are more similar to the historical governorates:
Other provinces have also been changed slightly so they are more similiar to historic divisions instead of modern provinces.
I used this source from the Royal Academy of History of Spain:
[/SPOILER]
I am going to quote one my messages from the Dev Diary where I show how unbalanced province and population distribution are going to be after the patch.
I also found these maps (that were posted in an older thread) very useful:
Precipitation map
Topographic map
Topographic map
Temperature map of Iberia, provided by @Naranjito :
I modified the map made by @Bandua_of_Gallaecia to suggest the winters in Iberia:
The proposal of @BalticM about centers of trade is interesting:
I would also add Valladolid. There's a city there called Medina del Campo that was one of the most important cities in Europe when it comes to wool trade. In fact, that was one of the largest cities of Spain too.
Changes in the Canaries:
After seeing when was conquered each island, The Canaries could be were divided into Western Canaries (La Gomera, El Hierro and La Palma), Central Canaries (Tenerife and Gran Canaria) and Eastern Canaries (Fuerteventura and Lanzarote)
Both Western and Eastern Canaries were already occupied by 1418 (with the exception of La Palma, but this island has to be somewhere) while Central Canaries were the last ones to be conquered (along with the aforementioned La Palma).
Besides, from a landscape/geographic perspective this would be good too.
- Fuerteventura and Lanzarote are volcanic wastelands
- Gran Canaria and Tenerife are the largest and most diverse. Well, technically Gran Canaria is the third largest, but you know what I mean. Occupied by Taoro (a native Canarian potential new tag, credit to @Aramenian )
- El Hierro, La Gomera and La Palma are the most leafy and wet islands. They are also the smallest.
These are very interesting threads about the Canary Islands, if anyone is interested in the History of the Canaries before the Castillian Conquest:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...slands-and-the-tribe-of-the-guanches.1123364/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/canary-islands-the-kingdom-of-taoro-on-tenerife-kingdom-of-gáldar-on-gran-canaria.1125566/
NOTES ON NAVARRE
1.28 is going to make Navarre lose its coastline, turning it into a much more difficult country.
That's why I propose giving Navarre a new province, to counter their increased difficulty.
My criteria to split Navarre is based both in geographical and cultural characteristics.
The red line is the approximate boundary of the Basque Speaking region in 1500.
From a geographical point of view, both halves of Navarre are very different:
The Northern Part is mountainous and wet:
While the Southern Half is flatter and dryer
This is how the revamped Navarre could look:
- Pamplona. Culture: Basque. Terrain: Highlands. Trade good: Iron
- Tudela: Culture: Aragonese. Terrain: Drylands. Trade good: Wine
I also redrew the Western Border of Navarre so it's more similar to how it was (and still is) in real life.
New & modified tags
I don't think Iberia can have as many tags as the devs would want to, but one the best (and also more appropiate than Asturias IMO) would be Murcia, it could be a nice addition.
Originally it was a moorish kingdom that became a Castillian protectorate until a rebellion sponsored by Granada and North African volunteers expelled the Castillians. However, their success was short-lived and a Castillian-Aragonese alliance took Murcia again.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudéjar_revolt_of_1264–1266)
This tag could have Murcia and Orihuela (Alacant) as cores
Kingdom of Taoro: a Canarian native kingdom. More info in this thread created by @Aramenian :
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/canary-islands-the-kingdom-of-taoro-on-tenerife-kingdom-of-gáldar-on-gran-canaria.1125566/
I also think Mallorca could have a core on Rosellò and Montpellier, as they used to be part of the Kingdom of Mallorca:
NORTH MOROCCO REWORK
A few fixes in North Morocco based on the thread created by @Mingmung:
Ceuta and Melilla should be smaller, much smaller. Those cities were Iberian for most of the Eu4 time, but not the surrounding areas. It's very weird conquering Melilla as Spain and locking half of the Mediterranean coast of Morocco. It shouldn't be like that, Melilla is just a small city.
Tetouan was also misplaced, I moved it a bit so it is in its right position. I also tired to make the new province resemble the Principalities of Tetouan and Chefchaouen:
I also added Rif to cover the void left by the shrinking of Melilla and the displacement of Tetouan
New provinces for Southern France
To add more detail and also counter the increase of provinces in Iberia, I also suggest adding the following provinces to Southern France:
- Toulon: one of the most important French military ports, build with the purpose of making France a Mediterranean power. It also became a royalist stronghold during the French Revolution.
- Marseille: a very important city since Roman times and also currently the second most populated city of France. It was one of the birthplaces of the French Revolution, giving name to the national anthem of France.
- Carcassone: a very impressive fortress town (the largest in Europe) and a World Heritage site. This fortress was used to protect France from Aragon, and later Spain, until Rousillion became part of the French Kingdom.
- Foix: one of the most necessary additions in my opinion as there's already a releasable tag called Foix, but it's oddly placed in Béarn. This place saw some action during the French Wars of religion.
- Bigorre: Béarn was too big and covered too much area, so I splitted its eastern half. From a historical perspective they also funnily stroved to be a separate deparment from Bearn during the French Revolution and actually succeded, creating the department of Hautes-Pyrénées (along with nearby Quatre-Vallées).
- Albret: Labourd is now too big so I separated its Northern Gascon-speaking part (that roughly corresponds to the current department of Landes) from the Southern Basque-speaking part (that is actually Labourd).
- Gévaudan: currently occupied by Lozére department, it was a very rich region until the Religious Wars ruined it. It is also where the beast of Gévaudan lived, an unidentified animal that killed dozens of people and greatly inspired our current depictions of Werewolves.
- Forez: nowadays in the central part of Loire department. A medieval County that became a royal domain.
- La Marche: a historic county and later province of France until the Revolution. It is also a transition region between the oil and oc languages.
- Draguignan: the so-called capital of the Artillery. This city suffered several battle during the Spanish and Austrian succesion wars.
- Bourg (en Bresse): a city with an important citadel cedded by Savoy to France in 1600 after a 6-month siege.
- Île-de-France (Paris)
- Berry (Bourges)
- Orléanais (Orléans)
- Normandy (Rouen)
- Languedoc (Toulouse)
- Lyonnais (Lyon)
- Dauphiné (Grenoble)
- Champagne (Troyes)
- Aunis (La Rochelle)
- Saintonge (Saintes)
- Poitou (Poitiers)
- Guyenne and Gascony (Bordeaux)
- Burgundy (Dijon)
- Picardy (Amiens)
- Anjou (Angers)
- Provence (Aix-en-Provence)
- Angoumois (Angoulême)
- Bourbonnais (Moulins)
- Marche (Guéret)
- Brittany (Rennes)
- Maine (Le Mans)
- Touraine (Tours)
- Limousin (Limoges)
- Foix (Foix)
- Auvergne (Clermont-Ferrand)
- Béarn (Pau)
- Alsace (Strasbourg, conseils souverains in Colmar)
- Artois (Arras)
- Roussillon (Perpignan)
- Flanders and Hainaut (Lille, conseils souverains in Douai)
- Franche-Comté (Besançon)
- Lorraine (Nancy); Trois-Évêchés (Three Bishoprics within Lorraine): Metz, Toul and Verdun
- Corsica (Ajaccio, conseils souverains in Bastia)
- Nivernais (Nevers)
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