A Federation of "Equals" - A Danubian Federation Interative AAR

[theAhawk]

((Haha never! Jk but I was worrying someone will think of this, Ill edit it, I've decided I'll only build the transylvania parts of the railroads. With the help of dadarian I think that ok right?))

((I don't really know how much you would have had to have relative to its cost, so I can't really say, but so long as it sounds reasonable it's fine by me [unless someone wants to look into how railways were actually funded and what the relative costs were...]))

((Is other currently a limit to the number of terms a President can serve?))

((No))

 

[Guilu]

Take a look! As you can see, I have made no changes to the existing lines but I have added new track to the East to better connect our Federation economically. This rail would not only link the coal mines of Galicia to the factories of Bohemia, but would also, through Transylvania, connect the entire East with Hungary. I urge my fellow councillors to either directly invest in this new comprehensive line, the Red ((I can't remember if that's been used already but it makes historical sense to call this one the Red line because Galicia is also referred to historically as "Red Ruthenia")) or, failing that, the Beige Line!

While I wholeheartedly support the extension of a line to Lemberg, I would like to remind you that the Carpathians prevent any connections not running through the Sudets.

((I don't really know how much you would have had to have relative to its cost, so I can't really say, but so long as it sounds reasonable it's fine by me [unless someone wants to look into how railways were actually funded and what the relative costs were...]))

((The data is pretty easily accessible, but the problem is finding what the heck it means with inflation and all that stuff. From the looks of it however, it's not the kind of things one guy can do on his own, especially not somebody who is responsible with his money.))

 

[Xenophon13]

((Work has been a pain lately, so very inactive.))

Due to current stress levels in my personal life I would like to appoint Kostantyn Arkyakevitch acting Deputy Minister of War; and Generals Božidar Skala and Edvard Francois Masaryk as my staff for the time being. If Fausto Barsetti and Konrad Egeler would be willing, I'd also like to allow them onto the staff as to ensure the diversity of the military command.

-H. Mueller

I will gladly accept your offer, and, should war come, I will give everything I have into bringing about victory for our glorious Federation.

- Konrad Egeler

 

[Thoctar]

((We actually have a surprising amount of people willing to work together in this thing. Weird.))

((No one wants another civil war))

 

[Thoctar]

(( I don't see myself as that much of a radical. ))

((Compared to some of these people you're a Bolshevik Revolutionary ))

 

[MrMan95]

I assume that the war minister's changes do not affect my command of the second southern army?

 

[Jako473]

While I wholeheartedly support the extension of a line to Lemberg, I would like to remind you that the Carpathians prevent any connections not running through the Sudets.

((The data is pretty easily accessible, but the problem is finding what the heck it means with inflation and all that stuff. From the looks of it however, it's not the kind of things one guy can do on his own, especially not somebody who is responsible with his money.))

((well seeing as my guy is one of the only aristocrats I think i'm speaking for a share of them, plus theres dadarian and one of the only capitalist victor is also an ally of mine. I also started my own railroad bureau so I can make the railroads whenever I want I'm merely just bying the land around the proposed railroad lines ))

 

[Thoctar]

I should probably oppose it, my constituents are not going to like seeing their jobs destroyed by trains.))

((It will help my industrial workers and gives them a convenient and important industry to shut down just in case anyone decides to be a really big jerk ))

 

[Ab Ovo]

((Mocenigo is funding the entire Water Line, and partially funding the Blue Line, but I wouldn't say he's irresponsible with his wealth; he's just fabulously wealthy. I hope it won't be sabotaged by anti-Venetian Croats resenting the Condominium...))

 

[Thoctar]

I have another proposal to add to this divvying up of our country's railways. I would like to direct the workers I represent to pool their resources and form a co-operative to run/operate, and/or own some of the railways of the Federation, at least the portions that go through our fine Croatia and Dalmatia. Would this be acceptable?

 

[Jako473]

((Mocenigo is funding the entire Water Line, and partially funding the Blue Line, but I wouldn't say he's irresponsible with his wealth; he's just fabulously wealthy. I hope it won't be sabotaged by anti-Venetian Croats resenting the Condominium...))

((That's what I was trying to say, I do have an entire region named after me!!! So does this mean its justified if i fund the entire beige line?))

 

[Thoctar]

((Voting update:

The Federal Army of the Danube Bill is passing; 133-37 for, 14-8 for
The Federal Protection of the Danube Bill is failing; 133-33 against, 14-6 against
Slovak Nationality Act is failing; 96-79 against, 16-5 against
Szekely National Act is failing; 138-22 against, 19-2 against
Territorial Integrity of the States Act is failing; 113-78 for, 16-7 for (lacking 2/3rds in the Assembly)
Private Militias Act is passing; 174-16 for, 22-1 for
Statistical Representation Act is failing; 118-77 against, 17-7 against
Autonomy Act is failing; 139-51.5 against, 19-4 against
Alliance with Krakow upheld; 123-39 for, 16-6 for



((Marx will be raised in an update when the Communist Manifesto is published in-game))

((Wow, we can't do anything. Also, yay Marx, let the fun begin :rofl)

 

[Jako473]

I have another proposal to add to this divvying up of our country's railways. I would like to direct the workers I represent to pool their resources and form a co-operative to run/operate, and/or own some of the railways of the Federation, at least the portions that go through our fine Croatia and Dalmatia. Would this be acceptable?

What if they get a splinter while on the job? Will they plea and threaten to sue if we don't give them compensation?

 

[Thoctar]

Arkyakevitch unrolls a map

Take a look! As you can see, I have made no changes to the existing lines but I have added new track to the East to better connect our Federation economically. This rail would not only link the coal mines of Galicia to the factories of Bohemia, but would also, through Transylvania, connect the entire East with Hungary. I urge my fellow councillors to either directly invest in this new comprehensive line, the Red ((I can't remember if that's been used already but it makes historical sense to call this one the Red line because Galicia is also referred to historically as "Red Ruthenia")) or, failing that, the Beige Line!

--Arkyakevitch--

Is it at all possible to connect the Zagreb portion of the orange line with the light and/or dark blue lines to make it all circle around?

 

[Thoctar]

((I don't really know how much you would have had to have relative to its cost, so I can't really say, but so long as it sounds reasonable it's fine by me [unless someone wants to look into how railways were actually funded and what the relative costs were...]))



((No))

((Railways were usually funded either by the government or through joint-stock companies, but since we don't have enough of a developed economic system to use the stock market and we've ruled out complete government intervention the current plan makes the most sense. Mine is possible, just not too common))

 

[unmerged(418334)]

Is it at all possible to connect the Zagreb portion of the orange line with the light and/or dark blue lines to make it all circle around?

Quite an easy fix to be sure.

--Arkyakevitch--

 

[Guilu]

((Mocenigo is funding the entire Water Line, and partially funding the Blue Line, but I wouldn't say he's irresponsible with his wealth; he's just fabulously wealthy. I hope it won't be sabotaged by anti-Venetian Croats resenting the Condominium...))

((We're talking dozens of millions of.. pick one among $/€/£. You could never work in your whole life with that kind of money and still live in outrageous luxury. Just think about how much it would take just to pay the workers for the years you would need to build the thing.

No guarantees on the water line; I've already mentionned croats beating on venetians, I wouldn't be surprised if it got worse once they see the compromise we got. I may have comitted political suicide signing this thing.))

 

[theAhawk]

((That's what I was trying to say, I do have an entire region named after me!!! So does this mean its justified if i fund the entire beige line?))

((Well, the Liverpool and Manchester Line in 1830 cost £637,000 (£52,680,000 today) and goes a distance of around 30 miles; Venice to Dubrovnik would be over 500 miles and hence would cost £10,000,000 ( £824,000,000 today). I'm not convinced any one person could get anywhere near that figure...))

 

[Thoctar]

What if they get a splinter while on the job? Will they plea and threaten to sue if we don't give them compensation?

What would they do, sue themselves? They'd own the portion of the railway they worked on, at least potentially, and if they operate on other railways they would be simple employees. Also, if they were injured seriously on the job, such as having their legs or arms crushed, then hopefully basic compensation would be established due to my Federal Act passing, though the co-operative would most likely offer some compensation for its workers if they are seriously injured. And before you start saying that "people will start getting hurt on purpose for the money", for one, having your arm crushed hurts, it's not pleasant, and it all but destroys your future prospects for a job. Anyways, the proposal here would be allowing the railway workers to fund the railways, just in the same capacity as you do.

 

[Plank of Wood]

What if they get a splinter while on the job? Will they plea and threaten to sue if we don't give them compensation?

I would again ask that Councillors refrain from discrediting legitimate suggestions for funding our railways with absurd conjecture.



((I need to make a Petr Sik debate bingo chart some time. Getting "Filibuster", "Conjecture" and "Royalist" in a row means you win))