A Federation of "Equals" - A Danubian Federation Interative AAR

[Plank of Wood]

My theory going into this war is that we can withstand a defensive war. With the Galacian mountains at our back, we can withstand much. Russia wins wars not from their own prowess on the field, but from their enemies ego getting the best of them. They chase phantoms of victory out into the mud and snow and there they starve and die. We must understand: this is a war not be to be won but one where Russia must be denied their own victory. I see no scenario where we walk away with too much territory. We cannot get greedy, we cannot fight forever. We must win a few key victories in Poland and Ukraine, and we must stop there.

Russia losing is enough for our victory, I suppose. Only a madman would expect to see our armies drinking coffee in Moscow let alone Vladivostok.

-H. Mueller

I concur. The plan of landing an army in the Baltic through the Prussian navy is sheer folly, and greatly overestimates our military capabilities. We must hold the line and, if possible, encircle large portions of the army, but go no further than Poland. Leave that to the Prussians.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

We're talking about Russia, not Great Britain. It's the greatest land Empire in existence! you do not simply "blockade" it with a few ships! And I doubt our warships, which are not numerous enough to fight the russians' in the first place, could navigate the Volga or the Dniestr.

Despite agreeing with you that a blockage might do little: I do think you over-estimate the blood flow from Russia's colonies throughout Siberia and the heartland west of the Urals.

-H. Mueller

 

[Guilu]

Despite agreeing with you that a blockage might do little: I do think you over-estimate the blood flow from Russia's colonies throughout Siberia and the heartland west of the Urals.

-H. Mueller

That would be saying I over-estimate our military's abilities; I concur with your plan, we indeed cannot afford going into Russia itself. That will leave us far, far from even thinking about hypothetical supply lines from Siberia; I would think they go the other way in fact.

 

[Jako473]

Fredrick.. have you ever looked at a map before ? The russian capital is St-Petersburg, not Sebastopol. Blockading the Black Sea is an option, though one our military staff prefers not to take and I will trust their judgement, but the Baltic is entirely out of our reach! Leave it to the Prussians you so love.

We're talking about Russia, not Great Britain. It's the greatest land empire in existence! you do not simply "blockade" it with a few ships! And I doubt our warships, which are not numerous enough to fight the russians' in the first place, could navigate the Volga or the Dniestr.

I never said we would blockade st.petersburg I said earlier that infact the prussians should blockade it! How valuable do you think krakow is to them? They will most definitely be fighting only for one reason: To fight!

 

[Jako473]

I concur. The plan of landing an army in the Baltic through the Prussian navy is sheer folly, and greatly overestimates our military capabilities. We must hold the line and, if possible, encircle large portions of the army, but go no further than Poland. Leave that to the Prussians.

Who ever said landing an army through the baltic? ((how can you know what the prussians are doing?! ))

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

That would be saying I over-estimate our military's abilities; I concur with your plan, we indeed cannot afford going into Russia itself. That will leave us far, far from even thinking about hypothetical supply lines from Siberia; I would think they go the other way in fact.

I think we are on two different pages: what I mean is that we can run under the assumption that the Baltic and Black Seas are Russia's only coasts. The icy Arctic and distant Pacific are of little use given that they must ship things over mountains and across vast steppes with little else but horses and carts.

-H. Mueller

 

[Guilu]

I think we are on two different pages

Indeed, it seems we are. Carry on
Mr. Von Salzburg, if you're going to say what you think the Prussians should do.. you may want to be in the court of the Kaïser, and not the Congress of the Danube. The Prussians will do as they see fit, and I dare say it is their right as an autonomous nation. *Janos smiles, chuckling slightly*

 

[Jako473]

I think we are on two different pages: what I mean is that we can run under the assumption that the Baltic and Black Seas are Russia's only coasts. The icy Arctic and distant Pacific are of little use given that they must ship things over mountains and across vast steppes with little else but horses and carts.

-H. Mueller

((I'm a little confused, do you support my plan of a naval blockade?))

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

((I'm a little confused, do you support my plan of a naval blockade?))

((I support winning the war, and I think a blockade in the Baltic/Black seas would have been effective IRL but not in the game. Just trying not to meta game.))

 

[Jako473]

Indeed, it seems we are. Carry on
Mr. Von Salzburg, if you're going to say what you think the Prussians should do.. you may want to be in the court of the Kaïser, and not the Congress of the Danube. The Prussians will do as they see fit, and I dare say it is their right as an autonomous nation. *Janos smiles, chuckling slightly*

This plan still hasn't been approved by the council, janos I think the minister of war should go to prussia with our official plans before individual Representatives start telling what the kaiser should do!

 

[Jako473]

((I support winning the war, and I think a blockade in the Baltic/Black seas would have been effective IRL but not in the game. Just trying not to meta game.))

((well isnt these type of aars supposed to picture what that type of RL would have been if the danubian federation got formed? I'm thinking in a real life point of view rather than a game point of veiw. If I was thinking like that then I would propose the military be entirely composed of artillery XD))

 

[theAhawk]

((Voting update:

The Federal Army of the Danube Bill is passing; 133-37 for, 14-8 for
The Federal Protection of the Danube Bill is failing; 133-33 against, 14-6 against
Slovak Nationality Act is failing; 96-79 against, 16-5 against
Szekely National Act is failing; 138-22 against, 19-2 against
Territorial Integrity of the States Act is failing; 113-78 for, 16-7 for (lacking 2/3rds in the Assembly)
Private Militias Act is passing; 174-16 for, 22-1 for
Statistical Representation Act is failing; 118-77 against, 17-7 against
Autonomy Act is failing; 139-51.5 against, 19-4 against
Alliance with Krakow upheld; 123-39 for, 16-6 for

((When does voting end?))

((Tomorrow (Sat) at 8pm GMT))

((Marx was 1848. Technically, we can say Communism if we wanted))

((Marx will be raised in an update when the Communist Manifesto is published in-game))

 

[unmerged(418334)]

Arkyakevitch unrolls a map

Take a look! As you can see, I have made no changes to the existing lines but I have added new track to the East to better connect our Federation economically. This rail would not only link the coal mines of Galicia to the factories of Bohemia, but would also, through Transylvania, connect the entire East with Hungary. I urge my fellow councillors to either directly invest in this new comprehensive line, the Red ((I can't remember if that's been used already but it makes historical sense to call this one the Red line because Galicia is also referred to historically as "Red Ruthenia")) or, failing that, the Beige Line!

--Arkyakevitch--

 

[Jako473]

Arkyakevitch unrolls a map

Take a look! As you can see, I have made no changes to the existing lines but I have added new track to the East to better connect our Federation economically. This rail would not only link the coal mines of Galicia to the factories of Bohemia, but would also, through Transylvania, connect the entire East with Hungary. I urge my fellow councillors to either directly invest in this new comprehensive line, the Red ((I can't remember if that's been used already but it makes historical sense to call this one the Red line because Galicia is also referred to historically as "Red Ruthenia")) or, failing that, the Beige Line!

--Arkyakevitch--

((whats that color thats running through bohemia? )) I will support the beige line! I will fund the entire line if no one else is willing ((I have some support from other aristocrats and my railroad bureau))

 

[theAhawk]

((whats that color thats running through bohemia? )) I will support the beige line! I will even buy the entire railroad if no one else is willing!

((There must be a limit to your spending...))

Federal Protection of the Danube Bill - Yes
Federal Army of the Danube Bill - No
Autonomy Act - No
Székely Nationality Act - No
Slovak Nationality Act - No
The Territorial integrity of States - Yes
Statistical Representation Act - No
Ban on Private Militias - Yes
Uphold Alliance with Krakow? - Yes
[Hungarian]

 

[unmerged(418334)]

((whats that color thats running through bohemia? )) I will support the beige line! I will even buy the entire railroad if no one else is willing!

Excellent, sir! Regarding your defensive land war policy, I hold absolutely no objections. Our first priority is naturally protect our homeland. I am willing, however, to call for a national draft (or failing that, at the very least a regional one) to defend ourselves from the Russian horde.

--Arkyakevitch--

 

[Jako473]

((There must be a limit to your spending...))

Federal Protection of the Danube Bill - Yes
Federal Army of the Danube Bill - No
Autonomy Act - No
Székely Nationality Act - No
Slovak Nationality Act - No
The Territorial integrity of States - Yes
Statistical Representation Act - No
Ban on Private Militias - Yes
Uphold Alliance with Krakow? - Yes
[Hungarian]

((Haha never! Jk but I was worrying someone will think of this, Ill edit it, I've decided I'll only build the transylvania parts of the railroads. With the help of dadarian I think that ok right?))

 

[Jako473]

Excellent, sir! Regarding your defensive land war policy, I hold absolutely no objections. Our first priority is naturally protect our homeland. I am willing, however, to call for a national draft (or failing that, at the very least a regional one) to defend ourselves from the Russian horde.

--Arkyakevitch--

As I am, but I do not wish to provoke the bear and making the russian empire to call upon there reserves! I want the russians to know that this will not be a long war that will thrive on future wargoals we only want krakow do we not? So let us not get ahead of ourselves and try to bring their full force against us.

 

[MrMan95]

((Is other currently a limit to the number of terms a President can serve?))

 

[Jako473]

((Is other currently a limit to the number of terms a President can serve?))

((No, I don't think we need one either unless someone gets too much power like FDR))