A Federation of "Equals" - A Danubian Federation Interative AAR

[Tapscott]

Encouraging foreign trade through low tariffs and open is not the same as reckless overconfidence in our industry. Again, I must remind you that unless concessions are made we will see a migration of the working class from Danubia. You are no slave owner, and when the worker's choices are leave or starve as the cost of living rises, I doubt they will have the same loyalty to Danubia or our Industry that we do.

And please, the Austrian Army attacked Prague to liberate it from the Royalist forces. If you believe we are unscathed, then I think you are becoming forgetful in your age. The Bohemian Arms industry was established and created from nothing in the last few years since the Revolutions, if I may add. But this is not an issue of state industrial superiority, as much as you may try to make it so through absurd filibuster.

- Petr Šik, Czech councillor for Bohemia,


((I love the word "filibuster", don't you?))

((sums me up nicely ))

Well Councillor Šik I suppose we must agree to disagree on this issue. I feel that we will never reach an agreement that either one of us would agree with. You have your views on industry, and I have mine. I suppose we must divert our attention, as Officer Masaryk suggested earlier, to more pressing, international, matters. What is your stance on the Russian subjugation of Krakow?

~ Victor Kraus, CSN

 

[Plank of Wood]

The Prussian? You said it yourself, last time they fought Russia they lost.

The last time they were merely Prussia on their own. With the Danubian alliance, it is the full force of almost all of Central Europe.

 

[Tapscott]

The Prussian? You said it yourself, last time they fought Russia they lost.

And as such, revanchism would be high within their state. They would easily be lead into following us against the Russians, especially with an ally (us) on their side.

~ Victor Kraus, CSN

 

[Plank of Wood]

((sums me up nicely ))

Well Councillor Šik I suppose we must agree to disagree on this issue. I feel that we will never reach an agreement that either one of us would agree with. You have your views on industry, and I have mine. I suppose we must divert our attention, as Officer Masaryk suggested earlier, to more pressing, international, matters. What is your stance on the Russian subjugation of Krakow?

~ Victor Kraus, CSN

The Tsar is the aggressor against our Integrity as a state, and his recent actions of expelling our ambassadors further shows his inability to recognise us as a Nation. We must invoke our defence pact with Prussia, whose revanchism will force their hand to reclaim their lost lands. Krakow will not fall.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

Would it be far from the minds of France and the United Kingdom that Russia is obviously attempting to upset the carefully crafted balance of power in Europe? Even if they wouldn't side with us now they must realize that the integrity of their own nation's place in Europe is at risk by an unchecked and aggressive bear to the east.

-H. Mueller

 

[Tapscott]

The Tsar is the aggressor against our Integrity as a state, and his recent actions of expelling our ambassadors further shows his inability to recognise us as a Nation. We must invoke our defence pact with Prussia, whose revanchism will force their hand to reclaim their lost lands. Krakow will not fall.

Ah, I am glad to see there is an issue we finally agree upon! The Russians must be defeated, and using the Prussians as a means to an end is an excellent way of doing this.

~ Victor Kraus, CSN

 

[Ab Ovo]

The Prussian? You said it yourself, last time they fought Russia they lost.

Conte, I believe it is safe to say you have been outvoted.

 

[Tapscott]

Would it be far from the minds of France and the United Kingdom that Russia is obviously attempting to upset the carefully crafted balance of power in Europe? Even if they wouldn't side with us now they must realize that the integrity of their own nation's place in Europe is at risk by an unchecked and aggressive bear to the east.

-H. Mueller

Well said Herr Mueller. The Powers that be will recognize Russian aggression and belligerence, especially due to tense Anglo-Russian relations. I am confident that the other states in Europe, provided that they don't have a formal alliance with Russia, will remain offically neutral if war broke out between our two nations.

~ Victor Kraus, CSN

 

[Guilu]

As for your second point, in many areas the local industrialists have monopoly on work. I must admit that in Morovia the Arms industry is especially powerful, and work outside of this in Morovia is difficult to find. Therefore, for many the doctrine is not "Freedom to Work", but "Work or Starve".

How does implementing workers' councils solve this in any way ? If anything, it will encourage investors to stay away from Bohemia, as they have chosen to stay away from Zadar following the strikes. We should encourage investment, not discourage it, especially if there is a lack of work in your state. If not, it will be our whole industry who will take the boat to the Americas.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

Well said Herr Mueller. The Powers that be will recognize Russian aggression and belligerence, especially due to tense Anglo-Russian relations. I am confident that the other states in Europe, provided that they don't have a formal alliance with Russia, will remain offically neutral if war broke out between our two nations.

~ Victor Kraus, CSN

"Neutral" is fine, it is better than the British fleet seizing Venice. What we need is a diplomatic coup if you will: We need to remind the UK on which side of the line that stand on when it comes to democratic states. We should try to goad them into an alliance either now or after the war... but the sooner the better.

-H. Mueller

 

[Tapscott]

"Neutral" is fine, it is better than the British fleet seizing Venice. What we need is a diplomatic coup if you will: We need to remind the UK on which side of the line that stand on when it comes to democratic states. We should try to goad them into an alliance either now or after the war... but the sooner the better.

-H. Mueller

A good plan Herr Mueller; but from what I have understood the British are currently unwilling to formally side with us. An alliance with the British Empire should be a priority for us though.

~ Victor Kraus, CSN

 

[Plank of Wood]

How does implementing workers' councils solve this in any way ? If anything, it will encourage investors to stay away from Bohemia, as they have chosen to stay away from Zadar following the strikes. We should encourage investment, not discourage it, especially if there is a lack of work in your state. If not, it will be our whole industry who will take the boat to the Americas.

You are diverting from the issue being debated here, which is the inability for some workers to maintain the cost of living and the minimum wage to solve this. Furthermore, a State-run council with limited power, ensuring that those who keep the wheels of the Federation spinning are treated like workers instead of Serfs, will do little to drive away honest, responsible investment. However in the context of the topic being discussed, it is a baseless point.

 

[Ab Ovo]

Councillor Mueller makes an excellent point in that, with the freeze coming out of St Petersburg; how can we be sure of her relations with states such as Britain. I would hate to see the Union Jack over the Piazza San Marco.

 

[yourworstnightm]

The last time they were merely Prussia on their own. With the Danubian alliance, it is the full force of almost all of Central Europe.

And our force is still weaker than the Habsburg army was. We would be depending entirely on Prussia, and they just might see that as a liability more than a partnership. We are not a militarily strong power, get that through your heads. The army need reform and modernisation, things that take years. Right now our armed forces are a House of Cards ready to collapse in first contact with a professional force.

 

[yourworstnightm]

Councillor Mueller makes an excellent point in that, with the freeze coming out of St Petersburg; how can we be sure of her relations with states such as Britain. I would hate to see the Union Jack over the Piazza San Marco.

Another valid point, Russia might not come alone. Two front war, good luck with that.

 

[Tapscott]

And our force is still weaker than the Habsburg army was. We would be depending entirely on Prussia, and they just might see that as a liability more than a partnership. We are not a militarily strong power, get that through your heads. The army need reform and modernisation, things that take years. Right now our armed forces are a House of Cards ready to collapse in first contact with a professional force.

While I army is weaker when compared to the Russians, I believe a skillful commander would be able to outmanover and destroy the Russian armies. The Prussians would bear most of the Bear's focus, and do not forget the astounding jumps in military technology that the Prussians have made.

~ Victor Kraus, CSN

 

[Plank of Wood]

((Weird, this seems to be going down at the same time that the Crimean war happened...))

 

[Tapscott]

((Weird, this seems to be going down at the same time that the Crimean war happened...))

((Weird right? I had to check the date to see if the Brits had already been at war with the Russians, but unfortunatly not))

 

[Ab Ovo]

Another valid point, Russia might not come alone. Two front war, good luck with that.

Please do not use my statements of justified concern for my constituency as talking points for your petty unpatriotic cowardice; Councillor.

 

[Plank of Wood]

Please do not use my statements of justified concern for my constituency as talking points for your petty unpatriotic cowardice; Councillor.

Hurrah!