That's Codrinaru if I ever heard him!
I think we've all heard enough venom for today Obradovic.
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Explain to me, how am I more nationalist than you are? Be specific. Perhaps you are not wrong, but if I am to determine that I must hear your reasoning. Unless there is none?
The respective military units of the Federation are more than capable of defending the Federation from enemies both foreign and domestic, as it was recently proved during the war against Russia. Their capabilities cannot be underestimated.
((Yup, I might invent Codrinaruism, or the ideology of moderatism))
I thank you for the compliment Herr Papp
Mocenigo chuckles
A part of the Consiglio did advocate secession, that is true, but such sentiments are largely dead.
I am not an unreasonable, unyielding madman who refuses all compromise to the point of belligerence and completely disregards any other issue issue within these chambers.
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Mm. Madman, is it? This ridiculous waste of time that we call a plebiscite is not a compromise, then? Would you accept less than statehood if Venice were a part of Lombardy, then? Would you compromise? The two states certainly have closer cultural and linguistic ties than do Hungary and Slovakia.
There capibilites are there but, are they strong enough to fight an offensive war into russia? We cant sit forever russia will eventualy get another powerful ally or its army will get strong enough that we could stop them. Not to be pesimistic but how can we hope to beat the russian in a prolonged war? There manpower reserve is absolutly massive. How big is ours, or are our troops good enough to fight back massive numbers? Now my familys back ground may have you cast doubt on my abilities to predict military but, I can tell you something for certain, if russia gains an ally that can open up another flank we are screwed. That is what happened to my father (voice shakes abit) in ostprussen.
~ Otto von Tirpitz
Mr. Papp seems to know my name. I wonder if there is some point that he wishes to make?
Who would the Russian's ally with Councillor? It's old enemy, the Turk? Us, or Prussia, Russia's most recent enemies? France, our ally? The UK, who Russia has successfully antagonized recently? I understand your concern, but we are not about to be politically outflanked by the Bear. As for dealing with their armies, I suggest bringing our military up to full strength, and to strenghting the border.
~ Victor Kraus, GCM
Your uncompromising and quite frankly ignorant attitude must have gotten to him, Councillor.
~ Victor Kraus, GCM
Ignorant of what? I really am quite curious. And actually, I am quite curious as to what your answer to my question would be as well. Would you compromise for less than statehood if Austria were made part of another state, Mr. Kraus?
The Federation - and the Empire before it - are both home to Archduke Charles, the archenemy of Napoleon himself, and General Skala, who gave his life alongside his men defending democracy from the autocratic and imperialistic Russian Czar that dared to test the mettle of Danubian men in the field. With determination and skill, we could easily hold our own against the enemies of the Federation.
However, I believe that the Federally maintained field armies must be expanded in size and scope, as, before the war, the largest independent field army under the banner of the Federation numbered just 18,000 strong. Either these armies must be expanded themselves, or the commands of several generals can be fused with each other to form fewer, but much larger - and, theoretically, much more capable - independent units that could deal with another invasion from Russia should it occur yet again.
We could also - possibly in combination with the above consideration - reform the hierarchy and organization of the Federal Army into a Napoleon-era French-style army, with an Army divided into several successive smaller corps which have the ability of operating independently should the situation call for it. Of course, this system could be refined and tweaked to fit the needs - strategically and logistically - of the Federation and the geopolitical situation of this Continent, but the suggestion stands.
However, I believe that the Federally maintained field armies must be expanded in size and scope, as, before the war, the largest independent field army under the banner of the Federation numbered just 18,000 strong. Either these armies must be expanded themselves, or the commands of several generals can be fused with each other to form fewer, but much larger - and, theoretically, much more capable - independent units that could deal with another invasion from Russia should it occur yet again.
We could also - possibly in combination with the above consideration - reform the hierarchy and organization of the Federal Army into a Napoleon-era French-style army, with an Army divided into several successive smaller corps which have the ability of operating independently should the situation call for it. Of course, this system could be refined and tweaked to fit the needs - strategically and logistically - of the Federation and the geopolitical situation of this Continent, but the suggestion stands.
Ignorant of the many differences between Lombardy and Venice. They have been independent of each other for a very long time. The same cannot be said of the Slovaks and Hungarians. As for Austria being part of another state, I would accept it if I deemed it correct. Better to benefit my people from within, to have them alienated and reviled by hindering them from without.
~ Victor Kraus, GCM
You, then, are just as ignorant of the differences between Slovaks and Hungarians. We have completely different languages and cultures and we live apart in distinct homelands in which we form national majorities. The difference between us is that I do not advocate shackling two very different groups together against the will of at least one of them, as you seem to in the case of Slovakia.
Haha, don't try and make me enter a state-only issue Councillor! You should be trying to get concessions for your representatives, not trying for full independence with no compromise. That said, you should be debating with your Hungarian colleagues, not a humble Austrian Councillor.
~ Victor Kraus, GCM
Humble? Right.
What does independence with compromises look like, then? A pointless non-binding plebiscite where the result is both sure and sure to be ignored would fit the bill, would it not? If not, what else?
Kraus grins
Oh your words. Why must you hurt me so? Haha, well in all seriousness I trust our Hungarian colleagues to honour any agreement reached. You should do the same. Mayhaps if you argued for a moderate and gradual form of independence, then you would gather the support needed.
~ Victor Kraus, GCM
I asked you a question. It was not a rhetorical question. You did not answer, so I will assume you did not hear. Would you compromise for less than statehood if Venice were a part of Lombardy?
What, exactly, is moderate independence? Gradual independence is something that I understand, at least, and that is why it is the basis of all my proposals. Read my legislation before criticizing it.
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