A Catholic Iraq thats a vassal of Burgundy.

[Gratak]

Well it makes sense why they would, but not that they're able to at all

Would they?

After the conquest of Constantinople, Mehmed claimed the title "Caesar" of the Roman Empire (Qayser-i Rûm), based on the assertion that Constantinople had been the seat and capital of the Roman Empire since 330 A.D.; and whoever possessed the Imperial capital was the ruler of the Empire.[13] The contemporary scholar George of Trebizond supported his claim.[14][15] The claim was recognized by the Eastern Orthodox Church, but not by the Catholic Church and most of, if not all, Western Europe.

Mehmed II introduced the word Politics into Arabic "Siyasah" from a book he published and claimed to be the collection of Politics doctrines of the Byzantine Caesars before him. He gathered Italian artists, humanists and Greek scholars at his court, allowed the Byzantine Church to continue functioning, ordered the patriarch Gennadius to translate Christian doctrine into Turkish, and called Gentile Bellini from Venice to paint his portrait.

Mehmed II allowed his subjects a considerable degree of religious freedom, provided they were obedient to his rule. After his conquest of Bosnia in 1463 he issued a firman to the Bosnian Franciscans, granting them freedom to move freely within the Empire, offer worship in their churches and monasteries, and to practice their religion free from official and unofficial persecution, insult or disturbance.[72][73] His standing army was recruited from the Devshirme, a group that took first-born Christian subjects at a young age and destined them for the sultan's court. The less able, but physically strong, were instead put into the army or the sultan's personal guard, the Janissaries.

Within Constantinople, Mehmed established a millet or an autonomous religious community, and appointed the former Patriarch Gennadius Scholarius as religious leader for the Orthodox Christians[74] of the city. His authority extended to all Ottoman Orthodox Christians, and this excluded the Genoese and Venetian settlements in the suburbs, and excluded Muslim and Jewish settlers entirely. This method allowed for an indirect rule of the Christian Byzantines and allowed the occupants to feel relatively autonomous even as Mehmed II began the Turkish remodeling of the city, turning it into the Turkish capital, which it remained until the 1920s.

 

[A_Dane]

Oh, I'm not saying they would want to force it, but people following your religion will, all things equal of course, give you less problems than them following a different one.

My point with it was simply that while they might have welcomed it, it would probably have been more problem than it was worth it to simply let them keep their faith

 

[Stolen Rutters]

Oh, I'm not saying they would want to force it, but people following your religion will, all things equal of course, give you less problems than them following a different one.

My point with it was simply that while they might have welcomed it, it would probably have been more problem than it was worth it to simply let them keep their faith

They might give you less problems, but also they give you less money.

Peculiarly, because Muslims were (and are) entirely exempt from taxes in many Muslim countries, many rulers recognized that if too many people convert, those rulers would lose their tax base. So conversion wasn't pushed as uniformly or aggressively as we would assume when looking back through the lens of today. (Today we assume all things are equal for some reason, when they weren't at all equal.)

 

[A_Dane]

They might give you less problems, but also they give you less money.

Peculiarly, because Muslims were (and are) entirely exempt from taxes in many Muslim countries, many rulers recognized that if too many people convert, those rulers would lose their tax base. So conversion wasn't pushed as uniformly or aggressively as we would assume when looking back through the lens of today. (Today we assume all things are equal for some reason, when they weren't at all equal.)

Ah yes of course, I forgot about that aspect of it. (But then again, all things were not equal, they had an insentive to keep some people christian )

 

[CassCD]

This is an example of why we need the timeline feature.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

AI will use force religion, I've seen them do it when I tried to do some anti-bug stuff for a friend in MP and my vassal used force religion on my subject, forcing me to approach the edit differently (no unpausing).

Iraq takes religious, Christian has ridiculously strong conversion decisions, and the Arabian NI set has 1% missionary strength, so Iraq would have no trouble converting provinces of its own culture. The high LD in the picture suggests that they did have religion forced.

I do use force religion, though not all that much. The reason isn't LD though (I can deal with that easily enough), but rather that it tends to put them into bouts of internal conflict idiocy and refusal-to-core. As such, the only subjects I'll tend to use it on are ones with religious + provinces cored or coring that I granted enough provinces to overcome the +LD. In that case, yeah they can get a few provinces done while being annexed, why not.

 

[Mister X]

Stuff happens

Treat it as a country ruled by the based christian Assyrians

 

[Gratak]

I do use force religion, though not all that much. The reason isn't LD though (I can deal with that easily enough), but rather that it tends to put them into bouts of internal conflict idiocy and refusal-to-core. As such, the only subjects I'll tend to use it on are ones with religious + provinces cored or coring that I granted enough provinces to overcome the +LD. In that case, yeah they can get a few provinces done while being annexed, why not.

Yes, you can overcome the LD by granting them provinces. The AI does not...

 

[Promanco]

I want to make a joke about how Bush should had taken notes from Burgundy but I don't know if it's too soon